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    Letter from a Thuban Insider ...

    Post  Didymos on Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:59 pm

    Letter from a Thuban Insider...Testimonial

    A hidden or lost thread from the Old Camelot Forum


    http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=34712&Itemid=164

    And about the present status of the 'New Camelot' Forum
    http://projectcamelotportal.com/forum/welcome-mat/766-is-camelot-dying


    #34712  April 4th, 2011
    SuiGeneris wrote:


    Dear Camelot Readers, on and off Gaia,


    There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.


    “I understand what you are saying to a certain extent here friend, but in this case the problem is solved just by using the Thuban forum(s) that were dedicated to this material and it's followers.”

    “As for this forum the Thuban material was simply not compatible with the majority of members, and it is after all not related to Camelot in any way. I again encourage the thuban members to share the link for their forum so you can continue to divulge into it at the appropriate venue.”

    There is no such thing as a “Thuban follower” since there is no Thuban elite or any one person to follow…and even more so, if we were to be followers, we couldn’t call ourselves Dragons.

    The easy way out is rarely the right solution Tommy…and more so in this case. By not allowing Thuban to be discussed here, you are unduly censoring and blaming the material itself for the negative actions displayed by a handful of very rude and bully-like individuals who get to decide what is “appropriate” to discuss here or not. This became your filter. Only your elitist few get to decide what all readers here get exposed to, members and lurkers alike.
    You claim:

    “The majority speaks, and they have spoken.”
    “The majority” have spoken? You can’t prove it with numbers out in the open. You said you were bombarded with e-mails? I bet at least most of them were from the same people who instigated against us in the first place, and I bet not one showed any clear logic but were full of fear and more in line with childish and obnoxious rants like this one from DD:


    DD: “Why not just delete those crazy posts... I don't want to see them again!!!!!!!””

    You see, no one is forcing him/+her to read what he judges as undesirable. Interesting how one of them proclaimed they were a group of “enlightened” people. Every time they open their mouths to ridicule and slander, they ridicule themselves even further due to the hate they carry inside. Anyone with even little understanding but a true heart can very easily see and feel how “enlightened” they are indeed and how much this attitude “benefits” the community. This is your speck “majority” Tommy. Don’t think us naïve. There is simply no way for you to know the true sentiments of the majority of registered members here. For people with power, trying to sound democratic doesn’t always cut it, people are not blind… and actions do speak louder than words.

    Still, if you agree with this, and it is also Kerry’s official stance, it’s perfectly ok at least by me; just don’t be claiming out there that Project Camelot is a venue for finding out the truth and exposing the truth…because at your very core you are doing the exact opposite.

    Kerry said when recently interviewed by Mel Fabregas:
    “One of our vows at PC was to build bridges between people and not to be one of those groups that badmouths other groups.”
    “The ultimate mission is to get the truth out to the people. That’s never changed.”

    Well, truth is not “relative” as you think. Only opinions are relative to each one’s perspective. There is only one absolute truth in the Universe, and there are many ways to get to that one truth. You dare say the Thuban material has nothing to do with Project Camelot, that it is not “compatible”; well…you couldn’t be more wrong.

    “The forum has never seen as much drama as it has done with the continuing of the thuban material posts. This has also acted like a large distraction from our Camelot oriented topics and discussions.”

    What is a “Camelot oriented” topic and discussion? Is it not about everything that is happening now in our world? The Thuban perspective on Exopolitics, The powers that be, AI, Government Secrecy and Extraterrestrial intervention for instance, is not only a very valid one, but we can prove each and every one of our assertions with solid science. Now, why is this not wanted to be even considered as another way to get to the truth right here in this platform? Why would it not be appropriate to allow it to be openly discussed here…of all places? It is not a “distraction” as you say. That is a decoy word used to deviate focus and interest away from the topic. Sure, we could “go away” to our own forums as you wish but that is like saying to David Wilcock, David Icke, Miriam Delicado, George Green or Steven Greer...“Go back and discuss your material in your own forums…your ‘stuff’ doesn’t belong here!” Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

    Their “stuff” (personal philosophies, points of view, metaphysical assertions, statistics, predictions, scientific analysis, etc.) is allowed to be openly discussed here at this Camelot forum…why would the Thuban material be any different? Just because a few choose to disagree? Even if ALL were to disagree, it would still not be a valid reason given what Kerry had said about the “ultimate mission” of Camelot. You are either a true outlet for disclosure (and that means full disclosure that encompasses everything) or not. Anywhere in the middle equals implementing the same agenda the Mainstream Media works on the masses… they edit out information and censor what they don’t like. And then you expect donations to flow to support a cause like this?

    And now that we are in the topic of money, let me make one thing clear. Unlike many of the people Camelot interviews, we Thubans do not charge one penny for our information. Many of us have worked for decades…endless hours and continue to do so in order to learn what we know, and we only wish to share it freely. We do not adhere to the philosophy that people should be charged for information. We do not even accept donations of any kind.

    Kerry always said Project Camelot was a tool to help get the truth out. She has often disassociated herself from the people she’s interviewed and, at least so far, if I’m not mistaken, she has never favored one testimony over another either. They all have value and each listener can make up their own minds. That is appropriate, for otherwise her personal opinions would get in the way of objective journalism, and the outcome will be that no one will take her seriously.

    But apparently you don’t see this. Even though you claim otherwise, it is clear that it is your personal opinion as well what has brought you to make this final decision of not allowing anyone here to even touch the subject on content… and now you know what the outcome of that will be. We all need to bear the consequences of our own actions.


    "There is no conspiracy here, you were given a fair shot but it did not work out forum-wise."

    No, we weren’t; because due to the spam and troll responses we’ve gotten in our threads, it prevented us to even begin to go deeper into what was really important, the heart of the material…and this cyber bullying was not only condoned but practiced by Mods themselves. Nothing was done about this back then, and this lack of initial action on the abusers is what caused the hostility towards us to escalate and get out of control. It wasn’t even necessary for us to open more than one thread, but our initial one was trashed and deviated out of topic by hate speech and innuendos. However, If what you mean with “forum-wise” is that we did not blend in with the “popular crowd” as far as showcasing individual personas and conducting meaningless chit-chat about alcohol and such things… you’re right, something like that fits better on a chat interface than on a forum for supposedly truth seekers.

    “What do we block from viewers that they could not find before? Oh, right.. Nothing."

    It is your own personal opinion that the Thuban material is nothing, so in your view you are blocking “nothing.” It’s sad to see you have to excuse yourself to make yourself feel better for your wrong decisions.

    “If you talk to the spirits they should be able to explain I suppose. Seriously. Fyi: How often have you seen me pretend to know things? Not instigating a discussion here, but ponder it if you will..”
    “after some review I found a lot of the material to be either incomplete or having the wrong equations.”

    This is what you do at a forum. You discuss things. Well… at least until the subject gets banned. Why do you imply that Tony talks to Spirits? or that he pretends to know what he knows? I can understand if the material seemed incomplete to you for as I explained earlier, we were not given the chance to go deep into it, but…. having wrong equations? You dare say that and then tell us you don’t have the time to discuss it? How could you say anything at all about the Thuban material if you don’t even know what it is? Tony is a Mathematical Physicist, and your accusation is not only outrageous and unwarranted, but sadly to say…expected, since there is a group mentality here among the most active posters and if one says it everyone else blindly believes it to be true, no matter how absurd the claim is. Your ludicrous statement reminds me of this:



    Not to mention that the “too many notes” stupidity equates to the haters’ protest of “TLTR” (Too long to read). We Thubans are very well aware that the material we present might be considered by some to be not only quite new but exuberant and even pretentious, and we are also aware that for others it may present a problem of “data overflow.” As with any innovative material, critique like this is expected, but, we as pioneers are not about to accommodate the information to each person’s demands. Our moral obligation is only to present it. It will be understood and absorbed in however manner only by those who are meant to and approach it with an open heart/mind. More importantly, we are not responsible for the opinions and negative feedback some may have over it. You don’t change an opera just because some find it boring and prefer American Idol over it.

    All these untruths that have been thrown at us Thubans here on this forum are outrageous, malicious and purposefully geared at misleading people about who we are and what we’re about.
    It is really important that I make clear to you and Kerry that these sorts of untruths could not fly and that I take issue with them…and so, for the record I am making it known publicly.

    Please understand that it is ok if you personally don’t want to know, but you don’t have the right to decide what is important for others. This attitude and stance, is what we term “old world thinking”, and belongs to the establishment the collective consciousness of Earth is rejecting and eradicating at this time. This outrage is visible everywhere and it is this what has triggered many whistleblowers to come forth and share their stories in hopes to open the eyes of the many. This totalitarian way of thinking is elitist, dogmatic, unenlightened and unjust. If you decide to cling to it, by your very own hand will you be sealing the fate of PC for anything that supports the old system… is already doomed.


    "You (thubans) have to realize that from an administration perspective we take notice to the fact that we had almost no problems at all on this forum before thuban made it's entrance."

    Yes…the infamous status quo. We Thubans, keepers of the flame, often disturb the undisturbed.

    Not because it is our intention, but simply due to the very nature of the material itself. Those sleepy ones who first come in contact with ideas that are new and controversial, ideas they may regard as “strange”, will become “disturbed” in the beginning, but that is a natural reaction when you become aware of things you were not aware of before. In this context, I can say very many of the interviews Kerry has done so far could be categorized as “disturbing” and although it may be an unpleasant feeling at first, it is unavoidable but nevertheless in the end this “disruption” serves a greater purpose.


    Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" The Gospel of Thomas


    “I don't understand why you were persistent in continuing on this forum if people are as "nasty" as you often claim.”
    “There are actions being taken towards the "Thuban fallout" on this forum as we speak.”

    “Why do you persist?” … sounds like the question Agent Smith asked Neo on their final battle. The answer: For principle. Banning Arachne and Phoenix was what made me speak up initially, banning the content is what makes me speak up now and at least to me; it is much worse than banning a Thuban. Not all people are “nasty” here as you alleged we said, but a few can indeed be categorized as such, and this is not a “claim”…it is a fact, and we have the incontestable proof. Let it be known that you have decided to silence us…and in the process, you have clearly marked the path Camelot will take. You see, adapting a name doesn’t automatically mean you are it. You need to become “it”, and this project is not living up to its name. You are a false Camelot. You have failed.

    This is not a “Thuban fallout” as you called it…far from it. This is a Camelot fallout by default. Because it is by your very own actions and inactions that you are bringing it about yourself when failing to act appropriately and in a timely manner, and when failing to adhere to the principles of what the REAL Camelot represents…Truth, Transparency and most of all…COURAGE.

    In the Vesica,


    Xeia Kali SuiGeneris,

    Waterflyer & Thuban DragonQueen of the Realms




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    #34721  April 4th, 2011
    Phoenix wrote:



    “Why do you persist?” … sounds like the question Agent Smith asked Neo on their final battle.
    The answer:  For principle.
     
    Phoenix
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    #34758  April 5th, 2011
    Chucky wrote:
    SuiGeneris wrote:

    Dear Camelot Readers on and off Gaia,

    There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.



    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle - Plato

    #34770  April 5th, 2011
    thomas wrote:

    More of the old.. Again..

    I don't have time to do a long reply right now, but I will mark some simple points.

    1. It was not about the material, it was about the people.
    2. You were given (by Kerry) the right to post in the two initial threads. This was not followed
    3. Ask Tony how many ways you can calculate an equation, and if theoretic physics is a final equation. My stance should not affect other peoples judgement anyways.
    4. You do not know me and will probably never do. You also do not know how I come to the conclusions I do. Your statement is based on assumptions.
    5. Drama: You have always attracted drama, and it appears in my perspective that you use every chance you have to instigate more of it - at several venues - past and present
    6. This site is indeed about the exposure of truth, but Project Camelot's focus areas are about Whistle blower testimony.
    7. You are not suppressed, you have the entire internet to share your material on, including your own forums.
    8. As an administrator I question your intentions. That does not mean this decision was based on just that question. I have had a similar impression for a while, but since I can NOT base my decisions only on my personal feeling I have instead allowed you to continue. I will openly admit that I have been evaluation how you handle situations since the day you all got re-instated, and that also goes for how you handle the admin decisions.

    9. I am happy to take any condescending comments, fire at will!

    10. There are books in methodology that has predicted 90% of all your actions from A-Z. Why?


    Thats it for now. But Sui, the sad part is that you only re-confirm my decision doing this.

    You should know there is always a door open for diplomacy and talk, but so far you have not played it that way. I have also come across some "hidden" activities, one is the disclaimer promise that you failed to uphold.

    I stand by my decision. You all lead me to it.

    And if you read all of the posts you copied from here you should see I did not say that "thubans" exclusively was the problem, but you were the biggest problem.

    Now stop pretending CF is the only place in the world worth while to you.
    If people here find your material interesting they should surely increase your user activity at your forums right? Then you don't event have to worry about nasty comments at all, more time for your material instead.

    This is all I have time for right now..
    All the best,

    Tommy
    Website Administrator,
    Project Camelot & Project Light Warrior


    #34773  April 5th, 2011
    Chucky wrote:
    Chakra wrote:

    SuiGeneris wrote:

    Dear Camelot Readers on and off Gaia,

    There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.




    "Report Sender: Raven
    Report Reason: OFF TOPIC

    Report Message: If you care to reply to the post with something intelligent, then do so by all means. But inserting an emoticon saying 'thanks for the drama' is childish at best. Come on your a moderator, you should know better."


    lol
    Actually..... just calling like it is. At least I didn't call it 'crap' like MaryIstar likes to do.

    and since you like biblical quotes

    Matthew 18:3 >> and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    So Thank you for the compliment - thought I should share it, so everyone can see just how sweet you are too.
    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle - Plato


    #34775  April 5th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    Chakra wrote:
    SuiGeneris wrote:

    Dear Camelot Readers on and off Gaia,

    There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.



    "Report Sender: Raven
    Report Reason: OFF TOPIC
    Report Message: If you care to reply to the post with something intelligent, then do so by all means. But inserting an emoticon saying 'thanks for the drama' is childish at best. Come on your a moderator, you should know better."


    lol
    Actually..... just calling like it is. At least I didn't call it 'crap' like MaryIstar likes to do.

    and since you like biblical quotes

    Matthew 18:3 >> and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    So Thank you for the compliment - thought I should share it, so everyone can see just how sweet you are too.


    At least I did not call people I don't know whores.



    I was just talking about that inner child... I see Heaven everyday. So Judge not Chakra.



    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle



    #34776  April 5th, 2011
    Raven wrote:

    Chakra wrote:
    SuiGeneris wrote:

    Dear Camelot Readers on and off Gaia,
    There are some things that need to be said about the current “Thuban” situation, and I am here to share my understanding of the matter as an insider. Initially, this was going to be an e-mail directed to Tommy and Kerry, but in the spirit of transparency I have decided to share it here for all.


    "Report Sender: Raven
    Report Reason: OFF TOPIC
    Report Message: If you care to reply to the post with something intelligent, then do so by all means. But inserting an emoticon saying 'thanks for the drama' is childish at best. Come on your a moderator, you should know better."


    lol
    Actually..... just calling like it is. At least I didn't call it 'crap' like MaryIstar likes to do.

    and since you like biblical quotes

    Matthew 18:3 >> and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    So Thank you for the compliment - thought I should share it, so everyone can see just how sweet you are too.


    Again your level of discernment is astounding Chucky. Jesus does not mean to 'gloat', troll, rub in the face, bicker and throw a tantrum like a child. He means that children do not hold people and things in judgement, they are rather unconditional and open with everything, Love being the greatest of these. Children's minds are innocent and pure, unlike some grown adults around here for example, tossing insults and innuendos if given the slightest chance. But go ahead and pat yourself on the back for thinking you have been given some kind of great gnosis concerning scripture.

    Setting quite the example as a moderator I might add...



    Raven

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    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
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    #34779  April 5th, 2011
    Pal wrote:

    Can we have an 'Ignore Thread' button please?

    #34780  April 5th, 2011
    smurfette wrote:

    Raven,
    YOU are Chucky.

    Your rudeness when reporting a post is beyond belief. You want something intelligent? But you have been speaking with lies and incoherence since you started! How can anyone respond intelligently to your gibberish? You quote reams and reams of bible at us in the hope we will be awed by your superior copy and paste skills? how many times before have you already used that text?
    Aren't you bored of it?

    I am.
    I am a child of the Light and a physical manifestation of the Light energy. By me.

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    #34781  April 5th, 2011
    thomas wrote:
    Paul wrote:

    Can we have an 'Ignore Thread' button please?


    Working on it

    Website Administrator,
    Project Camelot & Project Light Warrior


    #334782  April 5th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    They just cannot resist the temptation to intentionally NOT type my entire name properly with intent to be insulting. How lame. Took me at least two weeks and being threatened with black magick and called whore by complete strangers to finally sink to the level of mis typing a name only to point out how childish it is.

    The gatekeepers here are so much fun.
    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle



    #34785  April 5th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:

    Dedicated to maryWhatshername and Raven



    Tiresome
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey

    #34786  April 5th, 2011
    Raven wrote:

    tommy wrote:

    More of the old.. Again..

    I don't have time to do a long reply right now, but I will mark some simple points.

    1. It was not about the material, it was about the people.

    Can you be more specific here? So you are going to slander us as well as the rest of these children in your Sandalot Pit ?

    2. You were given (by Kerry) the right to post in the two initial threads. This was not followed

    WHAT?? Show us exactly where you said this, specifically that we were only allowed to stay in 2 threads. We came back under the impression that we would have the same rights as ALL other members posting here, not some limited set of rules you devised on our behalf.


    3. Ask Tony how many ways you can calculate an equation, and if theoretic physics is a final equation. My stance should not affect other peoples judgement anyways.

    Don't even go there Tommy, you are way out of your league here on the science part and because of this, YES your judgement here is not befitting you to even reply. Tony has been discussing his Math on many physics forums for over 20 years now and not once has any of them ever questioned his Math, EVER. So don't bring your little pin head into the equation.

    4. You do not know me and will probably never do. You also do not know how I come to the conclusions I do. Your statement is based on assumptions.

    Indeed, assumptions are like ar$eholes, everyone has one and to jump to conclusions makes an ass out of you and me. So fair enough we do not know you Tommy, but what we do know is that you have seemingly allowed and condoned reprehensible behavior toward us and others not associated with us on this forum.


    5. Drama: You have always attracted drama, and it appears in my perspective that you use every chance you have to instigate more of it - at several venues - past and present

    Call it whatever you like Tommy, but the fact is the 'DRAMA' was and has been instigated by your own moderation team and their following of groupies from the beginning, so if you want to point fingers then i suggest you start there. Saying that this letter is another example of Sui's drama is out of line, she has the right as an individual to stand up and defend, state, provide evidence to everything you have said in the contrary towards and about us Thubans. And so now your seeing our other side, HONESTLY what did you expect, that we would go crawling back in silence and just forget about the CRAP you have allowed to happen to us and others on this forum? That we would not care to give a voice to those too afraid of being banned, silenced, shut up, kicked out, to speak up and defend them and us in honor and integrity against your malicious onslaught?

    6. This site is indeed about the exposure of truth, but Project Camelot's focus areas are about Whistle blower testimony.

    BULLSHIT!!!! Some of the witnesses Kerry and Bill have interviewed have been nothing but bullshit artists from the get go. Don't believe me, start a poll and ask, oh wait, never mind because only about 7-8 of your members will respond and they will favor Kerry and Bill in their usual style of kiss ass suck-up behavior. As is evidenced on many other forums including AV2, there are many individuals who have said and would say again that quite a lot of the witnesses were full of it, no need to mention names, quacks abound in these times....

    7. You are not suppressed, you have the entire internet to share your material on, including your own forums

    BULLSHIT!!! Try to cover it up, hide it in the deepest hidden recesses of Sandalot, but the fact remains that this is censorship at its finest. In the words of a good friend JT, WHO THE HELL DO YOU WORK FOR??


    8. As an administrator I question your intentions. That does not mean this decision was based on just that question. I have had a similar impression for a while, but since I can NOT base my decisions only on my personal feeling I have instead allowed you to continue. I will openly admit that I have been evaluation how you handle situations since the day you all got re-instated, and that also goes for how you handle the admin decisions.

    PLEASE stop blowing smoke up our ar$es on this, you have done nothing of the sort. You have been listening to your little groupies whisper pure BS in your ear since we came back. Go back to hiding behind Chucky's skirt then, for hell sake. And no, we are not buying this at all, we were NEVER given a fair chance, not in hell.


    9. I am happy to take any condescending comments, fire at will!

    Done!!

    10. There are books in methodology that has predicted 90% of all your actions from A-Z. Why?


    Thats it for now. But Sui, the sad part is that you only re-confirm my decision doing this.

    You should know there is always a door open for diplomacy and talk, but so far you have not played it that way. I have also come across some "hidden" activities, one is the disclaimer promise that you failed to uphold.

    BULLSHIT AGAIN!! And there has been no hidden activities be specific, otherwise its just my cryptic misleading crap.

    I stand by my decision. You all lead me to it.

    No I am convinced your team of disgruntled diapered mods has led you by a nose ring into this decision. You have never shown any personal backbone yourself, so whatever....talk to the hand...


    And if you read all of the posts you copied from here you should see I did not say that "thubans" exclusively was the problem, but you were the biggest problem.

    Now stop pretending CF is the only place in the world worth while to you.
    If people here find your material interesting they should surely increase your user activity at your forums right? Then you don't event have to worry about nasty comments at all, more time for your material instead.

    If you and your moderation team were doing anyone any justice on this forum we wouldn't have to worry about it here now would we? WHAT kind of statement is this? So are you saying you condoned this type of behavior towards us Tommy? You and Kerry are responsible for manning this ship and yes we hold you accountable for allowing this travesty of slander and personal attacks to even take place!! Instead of choosing to allow us to stay and share our information, you have systematically allowed us to be abused by other members on this site and are now telling us to piss off basically. But hey be my guest if this is the kind of message you wish to send to your readership, members and non-members alike...???

    This is all I have time for right now..

    All the best,

    Tommy


    Yes and ( insert obscene gesture) you from the bottom of my dragon heart,
    Raven



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    #34788  April 5th, 2011
    smurfette wrote:

    Tommy,
    Can you tell me what's going on here? This is not a small bunch of kids playing around. These are adults with a quite vicious intent to destroy the forum. What do you care if they're banned?

    www.thuban.spruz.com/html-page.htm <--- scroll down . I don't think they thought we'd look there.

    Here, they haven't made anyone anonymous and you'll see from the dates they've been doing this since August 2010. (screenshot)

    Is that what you meant when you asked them to remove the html from Camelot thread?
    That they edit it at their leisure to make Camelot look bad while they can look superior?
    The ONLY threads in the thuban forum are Camelot threads!

    These guys are professional liars and twisters of the truth!

    "Dragons from Thuban to ban the Falseness" ??? They ARE the falseness!!

    Trolli, Tangy, smurfette, spacecake - I PRIVATELY do the same and their nicknames aren't going to associate us either way, but this is a pathetic attempt to gloat and they are still trying to take the forum down, why aren't you stopping it?

    Silence forever? MMmmmmmm, please?


    I am a child of the Light and a physical manifestation of the Light energy. By me.

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    #34791  April 5th, 2011
    thomas wrote:

    Yes, the copy issues...

    Thubans: Did you think I did not know? And since August?

    Well, I did know... and you have deceived me\us more than once. Almost everything fly with me, but not deception.

    And the "oh we forgot" does not stick on this one.

    You have also recently copied other members posts without their permission (again), I have seen it all myself.

    And to everyone, please keep this discussion as civil as possible.
    One of the few things I agree with the "thubans" on is the fact that some members did go over the top with their comments. Mixed blame yes, but both parties are accountable for their own actions.
    (this is a general statement, and is not directed towards anyone in this thread directly)

    Thanks folks
    Website Administrator,
    Project Camelot & Project Light Warrior


    #34792  April 5th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:

    siriusblue you are right....
    Also they are trying to take us down, they know how many guests are reading this, how bad it makes Camelot look and also ride on the shirt-tails at the same time.

    Seems they will not stop until they reach their goal. The reason they keep bringing Kerry into this is that they want her to change what has happened. That is like going over the top of everyone in this forum.

    Tony sits there not saying a word just copying everything almost mediately names and all.
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey


    #34794  April 5th, 2011
    thomas wrote:

    What a lovely post Raven, thank you! Very enlightened

    You could have started being honest from the beginning, and then address the issues you were presented, instead you continued. But I am very happy to see your true colors, not my kind of colors though.

    The two threads message was give to Sui by Kerry
    Website Administrator,
    Project Camelot & Project Light Warrior


    #34795  April 5th, 2011
    Phoenix wrote:

    tommy wrote:

    Yes, the copy issues...

    Thubans: Did you think I did not know? And since August?

    Well, I did know... and you have deceived me\us more than once. Almost everything fly with me, but not deception.

    And the "oh we forgot" does not stick on this one.

    You have also recently copied other members posts without their permission (again), I have seen it all myself.

    And to everyone, please keep this discussion as civil as possible.
    One of the few things I agree with the "thubans" on is the fact that some members did go over the top with their comments. Mixed blame yes, but both parties are accountable for their own actions.
    (this is a general statement, and is not directed towards anyone in this thread directly)

    Thanks folks



    Dear Tommy!

    What are you implying here; more slander and accusations under false premises?

    I have stated clearly in my address to you that I will fully comply with overwriting the html references to camelot and as is clearly stated in the disclaimers.
    I have laso made it clear; if you care to actually peruse, what I said; that i would NOT delete the EVIDENCE of the slander and the accusations directed at the 'Thuban' name from the onset.

    The html page referenced by Zoe was such an edit and evidence as to the rules of Camelot as to the 'locking of threads' and the 'banning of members'and the precedent of the socalled 'kneller' banning and whatever the circumstances of this occurrence implied and engaged upon in contexts.

    As you can clearly see for yourself; no camelot html references (except to the forum thread in toto), are published on the Thuban forums.
    It is edited and republished as information and factual testimony. You will not see any of this evidence manipulated in any form or manner; except the removal of the html references; to which I agreed to.
    I honour my word and my word was as stated in my open reply to you on one of the threads, which is now locked.

    The words uttered by the 'contestors' will speak for themselves and are presented publically as evidence without 'editorial comments'.

    There is no other agenda besides open data sharing and there never was any other agenda besides this and as stated from the very beginning.

    Isaiah 29:21:
    That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.

    This statement encapsulates the present situation!

    The Thuban name remains in honour and integrity; despite the misgivings and mental confusions of its detractors.

    Phoenix
    Replies to this message; if on an OP thread started by me; might appear as context feedback on other forums without links to profile ID on Camelot.
    The Presence of the Mosaic implies the will of Unity=God=Starhumanity and not the will of Humanity=Man=Separation!
    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
    Exe*=1

    #34796  April 5th, 2011
    jimmy wrote:

    PLEASE PUT A STOP TO THIS BAN THEM IMO THEIR TEARING THE HEART OUT OF THIS FORUM
    ONLY TOMMY OR KERRY CAN DO IT I PRAY

    #34797  April 5th, 2011
    Raven wrote:

    tommy wrote:
    What a lovely post Raven, thank you! Very enlightened
    You could have started being honest from the beginning, and then address the issues you were presented, instead you continued. But I am very happy to see your true colors, not my kind of colors though.

    The two threads message was give to Sui by Kerry


    tommy wrote:

    9. I am happy to take any condescending comments, fire at will!

    Your welcome, you asked....I delivered.
    As for what Sui discussed about sticking to only two threads on your forum, well she forgot to mention that part to us. So it looks like an error in communicating things clearly, on both sides I might add.
    Raven

    Replies to this message; if on an OP thread started by me; might appear as context feedback on other forums without links to profile ID on Camelot.
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    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
    Exe*=1


    #34798  April 5th, 2011
    thomas wrote:
    Raven wrote:
    tommy wrote:

    What a lovely post Raven, thank you! Very enlightened
    You could have started being honest from the beginning, and then address the issues you were presented, instead you continued. But I am very happy to see your true colors, not my kind of colors though.

    The two threads message was give to Sui by Kerry

    tommy wrote:

    9. I am happy to take any condescending comments, fire at will!


    Your welcome, you asked....I delivered.

    As for what Sui discussed about sticking to only two threads on your forum, well she forgot to mention that part to us. So it looks like an error in communicating things clearly, on both sides I might add.

    Raven



    Yes, no problem.
    What about the large amount of material you copied without permission? You did not even clean up the html. Also, the recently copied posts: You accepted the disclaimer rule, why did you not follow it?
    Website Administrator,
    Project Camelot & Project Light Warrior



    #34801  April 5th, 2011
    smurfette wrote:

    Are you talking about THIS Kneller??


    I am a child of the Light and a physical manifestation of the Light energy. By me.

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    #34802 April 5th, 2011
    Phoenix wrote:

    tommy wrote:
    Arachne wrote:
    tommy wrote:

    Yes, the copy issues...
    Thubans: Did you think I did not know? And since August?
    Well, I did know... and you have deceived me\us more than once. Almost everything fly with me, but not deception.
    And the "oh we forgot" does not stick on this one.
    You have also recently copied other members posts without their permission (again), I have seen it all myself.

    And to everyone, please keep this discussion as civil as possible.
    One of the few things I agree with the "thubans" on is the fact that some members did go over the top with their comments. Mixed blame yes, but both parties are accountable for their own actions.
    (this is a general statement, and is not directed towards anyone in this thread directly)

    Thanks folks


    Dear Tommy!

    What are you implying here; more slander and accusations under false premises?

    I have stated clearly in my address to you that I will fully comply with overwriting the html references to camelot and as is clearly stated in the disclaimers.
    I have laso made it clear; if you care to actually peruse, what I said; that i would NOT delete the EVIDENCE of the slander and the accusations directed at the 'Thuban' name from the onset.

    The html page referenced by Zoe was such an edit and evidence as to the rules of Camelot as to the 'locking of threads' and the 'banning of members' and the precedent of the socalled 'kneller' banning and whatever the circumstances of this occurrence implied and engaged upon in contexts.

    As you can clearly see for yourself; no camelot html references (except to the forum thread in toto), are published on the Thuban forums.
    It is edited and republished as information and factual testimony. You will not see any of this evidence manipulated in any form or manner; except the removal of the html references; to which I agreed to.
    I honour my word and my word was as stated in my open reply to you on one of the threads, which is now locked.

    The words uttered by the 'contestors' will speak for themselves and are presented publically as evidence without 'editorial comments'.

    There is no other agenda besides open data sharing and there never was any other agenda besides this and as stated from the very beginning.



    Isaiah 29:21:
    That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.


    This statement encapsulates the present situation!

    The Thuban name remains in honour and integrity; despite the misgivings and mental confusions of its detractors.

    Phoenix



    You can keep as much evidence as you want ON YOUR LOCAL COMPUTER, not online. The html is not cleaned up.


    Dear Tommy!

    There is no html reference online in public access mode.
    If there is I shall correct it. However due to the voluminous slander and accusations brought to bear against the Thuban members; the republishing of the evidence will take some time.

    Also the continued attacks warrant more collection of evidence and as you can see, the tolearance and allowance of some 'Thubans' has run out and you are fully justified to corollarily collect the evidence of the name calling, false accusations and slander directed towards your 'members' in the same way we are doing.

    The Thubans never started and desired this deterioration in common decency and mutual respect towards the human family.
    We ever only started 2 threads, the Extraterrestrial Life one and the Dragonheart one. We commented very rarely on any other thread and had mutully beneficial interactions with few, but intelligent and open minded contributors on those threads.
    Then we were attacked by cakes and slander and name callings and other threads NOT begun by any of the Thubans came into existence and the deterioration of common etiquette continued.

    Show me or any of us Thubans, where we started any of this malice in the common affairs between contributors on a common forum?

    Regarding Zoe's association of Thuban with MoA - we are not! Certain threads of the old Avalon forum were transfered to MoA; but are what you may term not visited. So to couple MoA with Thuban is inappropriate in context and in associativity.

    Phoenix


    Replies to this message; if on an OP thread started by me; might appear as context feedback on other forums without links to profile ID on Camelot.
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    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
    Exe*=1



    #34805  April5th, 2011
    smurfette wrote:

    Sorry Tony?
    The original thread/post was by the same member as started this thread and the title in this screenshot says it all:



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    #34809  April 5th, 2011
    Phoenix wrote:

    siriusblue wrote:

    Sorry Tony?
    The original thread/post was by the same member as started this thread and the title in this screenshot says it all:




    Dear Zoe!

    Is this one of your grand discoveries?
    Yes SuiGeneris is a member of MoA. She helped to transfer many many threads from the older 'mists' after they experienced server problems.
    And you are free to visit Avalon or Nexus or Thuban to start a thread about the 'evil dragons' from Alpha Draconis and how those fiends are infiltrating forums in attempts to hijack them.

    Feel invited Zoe to do this on any of our places. We shall NOT restrict you in your freedom of self expression mode and I for one will not call you 'a lunatic' or throw cakes at you.

    Respect for your diligence and stamina!
    Yes, the html page was an oversight and has been fixed. See my beloved; I am really rather inadequate in 'hiding' things. It goes against my principles and it is only external pressures, which have forced me somewhat to 'hide' things, against my own deepest wishes and intentions.

    Phoenix
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    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
    Exe*=1



    #34812  April 5th, 2011
    Dede wrote:

    Some people are posting on these threads to weaken your mind. If you are not centered within your own self it could be easy to become unsure, paranoid and dualistic but most of all one could potentially LOSE THEIR OWN MIND! This is a warning. If you are looking to make friends - go out into the real world and find a real human. Do not become addicted to opening up to cyberspace and thinking this is where you are connected because quite frankly, in a nutshell "YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO". Wake up call to find real relationships in the real world.... Go into nature, get lots of sunshine, drink lots of water and talk to real people where you can "Look them in the eye" develop a real connection and see their body language and start then by being able to "read other peoples energies".. You cannot do any of these things just mentioned on a computer. Games are being played and these games on these forums are not for the "weak minded". This information is for you the reader to "be aware" and always ask "what else is going on" don't come to conclusion - but see from all perspectives and you will always then be in your own truth and in your own center! The best thing now if you can relate to anything I have just said is this "Go back out into nature" "re-connect with your own self" "Find your center" "Do not be afraid" and remember "it is never too late"...

     


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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider ...

    Post  Didymos on Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:14 pm


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    Post n°2
    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider...
      mudra Yesterday at 3:26 pm



    I used to enjoy reading Sui's posts. Is she doing well Shiloh ?


    Love from me
    mudra



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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider...
      shiloh Yesterday at 6:07 pm
    mudra wrote:


    I used to enjoy reading Sui's posts. Is she doing well Shiloh ?


    Love from me
    mudra
    She is composing a reply for you mudra!





    Shiloh


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    Post n°4

    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider...
    SuiGeneris Today at 2:07 am

    mudra wrote:
    I used to enjoy reading Sui's posts. Is she doing well Shiloh ?
    I'm sorry i took so long to answer but i was held up by other matters.  Je suis ici Mudra! mostly "behind the scenes" now...but aware of the Mists around here nonetheless....

    how sweet of you to ask :)

    I am doing well thank you.  Haven't really been posting much lately i know...perhaps because i don't find a good debate, or anything that deserves a response or catches my interest.  Still, i often review the data being shared within Thuban; and some of it being Misty keeps me fairly informed of the latest developments.

    I must say though, I see how we continue to be misinterpreted and even "attacked" at times...the fact that the fear did not subside by now, especially in places where awakened people gather is amazing to witness, not to mention amusing at times.

    And now, in Light of the fact that you have remembered me at this auspicious moment, i will let you in on a little "Thuban secret".

    Remember Spregovori?

    Him and i have been commissioned by the Cosmic Logos as the Starhuman BODYMind/MINDBody Core to perform a very important Luciferian ritual that will take place during the last 2 weeks of this month near the Kukulkan pyramid of Chichen Itza.  Preparations on many levels 3d++ are being taken place right now to ensure its coming success; as it is imperative to achieve a reunification of the separation within and outside of Creation which can only be achieved through the gravity of Love.  Since our inception 3 years ago, It was our initial task as Dragons and pioneers to form the bonds and allegiances that would later ease our remembrances and help us in our mission.  We were to fall in Love with each other and "fall" in Love we did...literally.  Each Core took a plunge and made a sacred oath (YYY) that changed the course of our lives...and now, we, our micro and macro family, are very close to achieve a divine merge that was not possible to achieve before this world became more on December 21st 2012.  The Cosmos is ready to be impregnated in this SuperSexual act of co-creation...giving life to the New!


    I don't want humans to lose hope...because what was once seemingly impossible can now become possible.

    Wishing you well in your journey...as always  


    In the Vesica,


    Sui




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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider...
      mudra Today at 10:01 am


    Thank You Sui . Good to see You.
    I am very pleased to hear Love weaved a strong and vigorous thread between you and Spregovori.
    Special encounters like that are planned way before you too had even a chance to meet on this Earth.

    All the best with your ceremony near the Kukulkan Piramid of Chichen Itza.
    I once climbed the stairs of the Great Piramid of Tikal. These places bear an energy that 's hard to put in words.

    Never give up on Love for it is the very stuff that  in the end dissipates all fears and misunderstandings we encounter
    on our way.

    Much Love for You 

     

    mudra


    #34816  April 5th, 2011
    Trolli wrote:
    Lita wrote:


    Ok lets talk about how bad we have been.. over at www.thuban.spruz.com/html-page.htm

    I am lighter instead of Lita
    Spacecake = SpaceCowboy
    Trolli + think Tra
    Starlooker =Stargazer
    smurfette = Siriusblue
    siamese = sianellen
    Tophat =?
    trigger = triggsie69

    how nice, & how can we possible take offence at anything you do.
    Thing is this will go on the copying of everything here until they are gone.
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey


    It just shows how juvenile they are.

    #34818  April 5th, 2011
    smurfette wrote:
    Arachne wrote:
    siriusblue wrote:

    Sorry Tony?

    The original thread/post was by the same member as started this thread and the title in this screenshot says it all:




    Dear Zoe!

    Is this one of your grand discoveries?

    Yes SuiGeneris is a member of MoA. She helped to transfer many many threads from the older 'mists' after they experienced server problems.
    And you are free to visit Avalon or Nexus or Thuban to start a thread about the 'evil dragons' from Alpha Draconis and how those fiends are infiltrating forums in attempts to hijack them.

    Feel invited Zoe to do this on any of our places. We shall NOT restrict you in your freedom of self expression mode and I for one will not call your 'a lunatic' or throw cakes at you.

    Respect for your diligence and stamina!

    Yes, the html page was an oversight and has been fixed. See my beloved; I am really rather inadequate in 'hiding' things. It goes against my principles and it is only external pressures, which have forced me somewhat to 'hide' things, against my own deepest wishes and intentions.


    Phoenix


    And the title of THIS thread is "Letter from a Thuban Insider..."

    Did you not read it?
    Ha ha ha!
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    #34820  April 5th, 2011
    Tophat wrote:

    Tophat? Guess that's the best one can think of when looking at my name, reminds me of an english gentleman walking the streets of London circa 1800's. Then I go wait a minute, tophat...elitists wearing tophats in earlier times..wait a minute here. Me an elitist? Certainly gives me a laugh, but that is only my perspective on that, as I stated initially that could simply be all one could come up with on short notice when looking at the name Fohat...


    #34825  April 5th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:
    Fohat wrote:


    Tophat? Guess that's the best one can think of when looking at my name, reminds me of an english gentleman walking the streets of London circa 1800's. Then I go wait a minute, tophat...elitists wearing tophats in earlier times..wait a minute here. Me an elitist? Certainly gives me a laugh, but that is only my perspective on that, as I stated initially that could simply be all one could come up with on short notice when looking at the name Fohat...


    Of course, that is you, I didn't get them all over there... does make you rather elegant doesn't it..lol..they carried an umbrella as well ...you did well out of the renaming.
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey


    #34829  April 5th, 2011
    Tophat wrote:

    me with a top hat, pin stripe suit, black umbrella at the side, even a monocle. oh don't forget the pocket watch, gold preferably.

    #34832  April 5th, 2011
    trigger wrote:

    I would have gone with Toefat - a bit more humorous and disrespectful

    NOW ONLINE
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    #34841  April 5th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:
    plumr2007 wrote:


    I feel left out . After Mary's last childish rant at me :
    Quote: Great discussion . Why don't you two go over to the Thuban site and continue it.


    Hmm. O.K. so say you were I don't know let's say an Italian immigrant for instance. And you neighbor didn't like the smell of your spaghetti cooking wafting through the windows of his/her home, and assumed you were of course in the Mafia because the rumor on the block was that you had arranged cement shoes for your last neighbor who also supposedly did not like the smell of your spaghetti cooking next door... So this current neighbor goes and gathers some other neighbors and tell this story to them, suggesting that they approach you when you leave your house next time to go to the market to get more ingredients to make more spaghetti. So they all get really mad because they hear you were a murderer who makes the smelliest food on the block, because they are all, Irish and don't like Italian food. So they approach you and say "Hey buddy why don't you take your ass and your smelly spaghetti back to Italy!? We don't need your kind around here." Is that any different than what you just said? and what has been said here many times in many ways by many members? Or worse in the case of those who preach about killing things they have never even seen nor do they even know from any personal experience what they are... How is that any less ignorant?

    Maybe I can be" smelly spaghetti bender."

    lol:ohmy:
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey


    #34870  April 5th, 2011
    Chucky wrote:
    Lita wrote:


    Ok lets talk about how bad we have been.. over at www.thuban.spruz.com/html-page.htm

    I ma lighter instead of Lita
    Spacecake = SpaceCowboy
    Trolli + think Tra
    Starlooker =Stargazer
    smurfette = Siriusblue
    siamese = sianellen
    Tophat =?
    trigger = triggsie69

    how nice, & how can we possible take offense at anything you do.
    Thing is this will go on the copying of everything here until they are gone.


    LITA! you missed Chucky! - didn't you get Raven's memo! That is me! LOL
    Though technically is is a slang for Charles - I guess that was the best they could do.
    Even Chaska did better accidentally once
    At least it was something.....

    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle - Plato



    #34887  April 5th, 2011
    siamese wrote:

    Suddenly I feel refreshed and sane again.


    #34888  April 5th, 2011
    Tbone wrote:
    Tangent wrote:
    Lita wrote:


    Ok lets talk about how bad we have been.. over at www.thuban.spruz.com/html-page.htm

    I ma lighter instead of Lita
    Spacecake = SpaceCowboy
    Trolli + think Tra
    Starlooker =Stargazer
    smurfette = Siriusblue
    siamese = sianellen
    Tophat =?
    trigger = triggsie69

    how nice, & how can we possible take offence at anything you do.
    Thing is this will go on the copying of everything here until they are gone.

    I am "Tangy," Huancaina is "Hurricane," hellsbells is "hellsclock," and GT_BigHair is "Yep." "Yep" is kind of GT's trademark, which makes me laugh every time I see it.

    The Thubans think the intire forum is full of Trolls.

    Remind me of a story, about a man that heard the news from his radio, while he drove on the highway.
    The news said "Be aware there is a ghost driver on the highway that drives in the wrong direction."
    And the man screamed "one!!? noooo!!!!, there is a whole stream!! of them"


    #34890  April 5th, 2011
    Hurricane wrote:

    Tangy: I thought I could scape this one... geeeee!


    #34922  April 5th, 2011
    Phoenix wrote:


    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    I will tell you what I think it happening here. I have seen since the divide took place between Kerry and Bill back when that (and I like seeing them work together as I feel they should be able to do so despite various differences in style and approach to the world situation ans so forth!) Kerry seems to have grown to a point personally where she is able and ready to delve into the deeper mysteries behind what is going on and the true origins as per her speaking of certain experiences, desires and interests in certain things. Pyramids, Enki's Calendar, vibrations of Chystal skulls etc... which invariably happens as one seeks.

    You reach a point where you either keep going with what you already know and specialize in that, OR you keep pushing the limits to seek the next level of initiations of a sort into this knowledge. Thus some of her interviewees refelect such, and her way reflects the same. There are people who like her materials, for whatever their own reason who have not chosen to seek into those materials, and those are the ones who believe you have to prove everything with what the establishment has deemed acceptable methods of proof. Thus scientific review, and psychiatric diagnostics, etc. Some of those are long time members of this forum, and the ones who did not join before have been attracted by some of the newer materials to desirte to share what they experience. These two "schools" if you will seem to be clashing on this forum.

    The Thuban materials have a lot validity with respect to things that can not yet be proven by man's (establishment allowed) sciences, and people who have become comfortable here who rely on the science they are allowed to follow and still be accepted by mainstream are not liking it because it cannot be proven and are thus feeling the materials are threatening to their 'positions' on the forum, their rank within the structure of the forum, and in assuming they know all are slipping up. Those who can see the things that are spoken of will see this. I can see the vibrations on the stones that Micheal Tellinger says ring, etc... I know I am not the only one. Kerry can do both the scientific, and the spiritual and accomodate both... the forum is not following suit.

    I joined because I felt I had something worth contributing based upon what I had previously seen from Steve and Tommy and how they handled things. I feel that a few of the regulars have intentionally used their positions as long time members to secure thier positions on the forum at the risk of remaining static with regard to growth and knowledge until they are able or willing to catch up. I am not being elitist, I have worked long and hard to have the knowledge I have. I am sure some of them have knowledge in areas like established science that I do not, or with equations, that is the path they chose to learn on and that is fine. Both should be capable of working together toward a common unified goal. It should not be a competiton. But you will be waiting long past 2012 if you are going to wait for mainstream peer reviewed math and science to agree with the experiences people are having with the knowing, and mysterious. It is that way for a reason.

    You also have other people on here whether they know it or not are putting in stumbling blocks so that this info stays out of the forum. That is expected. I am really displeased with how Tommy has turned and do not expect him to hear that openly at this time, but he helps Project Camelot immensely so that is sad. Having built this forum he has the abillity to allow in the next levels of knowledge or not. But the knowledge is coming to people, so someone will have it somewhere eventually. I think Camelot has done a lot to help awaken people so it would be unfortunate to have a small portion of people influence the forum in such a way.

    They are creating with their thoughts, they think they must have enemies, and thus they make it so. Yes there is bad stuff in the world, but not every one who is different from you is an enemy. Being yes again for the record NOT a member of Thuban or any other group and simply and observer who also got assaulted because I stood up to the gatekeepers abuse of powers (before the Tommy bit) have been threatened, and slandered, and harassed and accused, you name it for saying what I believe is right. I got followed onto threads I started with their crap and no I don't like it, but I have done my best to remain centered in this and I wonder how Kerry or Tommy would have felt had they been in my shoes on that. I feel I can assume for certain that Kerry would not stand for being called a whore, and fat and threatened. That is an insult to Kerry's work to begin with as this is her site, and now they are out on a limb to cover up what Lita did, and another two are still keeping at it faithfully. I mean, at what point do we grow up here people? Really?

    There should be room for every one. And so what if raven finally lost her zen after all of that for realz. You covered it up when Lita did worse for far less reason and rewarded it to try to get me to leave as far as I can tell. Thanks for that Tommy. It should not have to be like that. And I can guarantee that as things in the world progress there will be far more people who are desiring to learn about the things that are of the mysteries than what the mainstream allows them to know. That is a natural progression of the awakening process. You will loose those people when the growth process gets stymied by these few you allow to gate keep and insult the new thinkers and feelers. Honestly a real life crocodile pit would be far less difficult to navigate than entering here with confidence and new information.

    I know I know, (TLTR) It amazes me at the amount of people who are professing their lack of desire to read. That says it all.


    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle



    Dear Mary La Mare!

    Your observations are well argued and I agree with most of your conclusions and inferences. Especially your take on the Avalon-Camelot split and the 'clash of the philosophies' is 'on the mark' as an impartially observing 'Tophat' would say.

    Allow me to say however; that your statements on the reluctance and 'slowness' of the 'mainstream' science to embrace the 'new physics' (and what Thubans term OmniScience) are not as encumbered by old dogmas as it appears to be.

    I have written a critique on the 'size of the proton'; which fits flawlessly into say three aspects of this 'mainstream science'.
    First you have a populist scientific journal like 'New Scientist' (based in the UK) and in a similar vein as Scientific American in the USA.
    Secondly you have referenced papers in these magazines, written for the scientifically informed layman; which can then be consulted for the reader literate in the scientific semantics to delve further into the technical aspects of the material.
    Thirdly you have more speculative or pioneering or frontier research yet awaiting general confirmation and acceptance in the modus operandi of peer review and experimental verifications.

    So dear Miriam of the Craters; I would ask you to peruse the linked critique of mine and determine where the mainstream science ends and the frontier concepts begin.

    This link engages a New Scientist article, which is interwoven by the professional and peer reviewed subatomic physics and is commented upon by the Thuban omniscience.

    www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder12.pdf

    As I had intended to honour your name with the famous classic of La Mer; but thought it appropriate to honour all femmes in this archetype and symbol in the name of the chakras; I honour you with another version of the same tune of the cosmic peace.

    I am an old grandpa and you might prefer the 'younger' version of the 'new kids on the block'.



    Love from Phoenix and the Dragonheart


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    #34936  April 5th, 2011
    Trolli wrote:
    Greag Hreafn wrote:


    Is this the most mental thread on a conspiricy site of all time ? WTF are you all on ? I've been abducted and seen all kinds of stuff that would get me locked up but bloody hell!!! Is this just disinfo to balls up the good stuff?

    Yes.

    #34937  April 5th, 2011
    Trolli wrote:
    Arachne wrote:
     
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    I will tell you what I think it happening here.
    ...
    I know I know, (TLTR) It amazes me at the amount of people who are professing their lack of desire to read. That says it all.


    Dear Mary La Mare!

    Your observations are well argued and I agree with most of your conclusions and inferences.
    ...
    Love from Phoenix and the Dragonheart


    TBTR= Too boring to read and reread and reread and reread


    #34938  April 5th, 2011
    Jester Terrestrial wrote:

    TraLaLa wrote:
    Greag Hreafn wrote:


    Is this the most mental thread on a conspiricy site of all time ? WTF are you all on ? I've been abducted and seen all kinds of stuff that would get me locked up but bloody hell!!! Is this just disinfo to balls up the good stuff?

    Yes.

    lol.  and just for the record, not that i have, but if i want to, im going to copy anything i want and post it anywhere i want.
    Thanks,
    JT!
    Greag would like to hear more about this abduction experience you speak of... I have a in direct friend who had some kind of implant taken out of his forehead...so the story goes.



    #34943  April 5th, 2011
    Trolli wrote:
    JesterTerrestrial wrote:
    TraLaLa wrote:
    Greag Hreafn wrote:


    Is this the most mental thread on a conspiricy site of all time ? WTF are you all on ? I've been abducted and seen all kinds of stuff that would get me locked up but bloody hell!!! Is this just disinfo to balls up the good stuff?

    Yes.

    lol.  and just for the record, not that i have, but if i want to, im going to copy anything i want and post it anywhere i want.
    Thanks,
    JT!.


    Go for it Brother Fierce! Copy Copy Copy



    #34949  April 5th, 2011
    RAMAN wrote:

    you can copy this also JT.,




    ***NO WARNING IMA ADD*** This video contains a subliminal track!
    That Greys dont like xd
    laughs
    and
    laughs harder.

    muhahahhaha

    give AB/TB/AR/ASM/Co my regards.
    he;s the best non responding discussion person ima ever seen

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    The two main motivators for a persons actions are, Fear and Love. I choose Love.

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    #34951  April 5th, 2011
    GH wrote:

    I thought I was dreaming about being on flying saucers / space ships and having vivid dreams about visiting the moon & mars etc etc until one night I was out side at 2.30 in the morning when a flying triangle appeared above the remote farm house I was living in


    #34957  April 5th, 2011
    Jester Terrestrial wrote:


    lol tralala Im just sayin.
    I dont even know what the big deal is all about myself so i hope you all have fun learning new things. Like what time it is and whats about to happen to this planet and life in general. From what I can gather Thuban is a pole star of ancient days. You can read about it on wiki...im not going to copy it here. It is good though that we can all get together like this and share ideas and or throw sand at each other. At least your not all banned and still talking , this is a improvement and can only lead to a brighter future. Peace JT!


    #34997  April 5th, 2011
    Phoenix wrote:

    Deedee wrote:
    Arachne wrote:

    You hit the nail JT!
    Watch Richard Hoagland.
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=10&Itemid=164, (from NGC thread).
    Phoenix

    Link not working.



    Hopefully this does.
    Phoenix
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    #35574 April 9th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    shiloh wrote:

    halebox wrote:

    I thought the original thuban thread was very interesting and way over my head. I still asked a million questions. What I don't understand is how others are now claiming to be thuban's? Once someone identifies with a group other than source then I start to question their identity.
    You are you and will always be you and no one else.
    There are many stops on the way to source but dont stay in one place too long. There are many who will step in your way on you way home. When you walk passed them love them and hope they get home too.

    Dear halebox!

    All reality is interwoven like a tapestry on the wall or a kaleidoscope of colours in a painting.
    The Thuban label is a trigger in the microcosmic manifestation of whatever occurrences and perceived agendas to mirror more cosmic images in the macrocosms.
    The following NASA release coincides with recent developments and upheavals on the Camelot forum.
    Many things have rather deeper consequences and purposes than external appearances might indicate,
    Be well; I remember you well and you have always extended courtesy to the Thubans and were reciprocated in such manner on the old Avalon forum.
    Abraxasinas
    (Thank You ashera for the links)


    News Release Number: STScI-2011-10
    NASA Telescopes Join Forces to Observe Unprecedented Explosion

    http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2011/10/full/


    Draco coils around the north celestial pole, as depicted in Urania's Mirror, a set of constellation cards published in London c.1825

    Draco is among the earliest of the constellations to have been defined; in one of the oldest known astronomical records, the ancient Egyptians identified it as Tawaret, the goddess of the northern sky in their pantheon of deities. Considered ever-vigilant because the constellation never set, she was depicted a fierce protective goddess whose body was a composite of crocodile, human, lioness, and hippopotamus parts.

    The Greeks named it Draco the dragon. In one of the more famous European myths, Draco represents Ladon, the dragon sometimes depicted with one hundred heads who guarded the golden apples of the Hesperides. The eleventh of the Twelve Labours of Hercules was to steal the golden apples. He killed Ladon with one of the arrows he dipped in the poison blood of the hydra. Hercules had no way of getting the apples even so because of the nymphs that watch over the apple tree. Atlas, the bearer of the sky, offered to get him an apple if Hercules could take his place until he returned. Hercules knew that Atlas was allowed passage because the nymphs who watched over the tree were his daughters, and agreed. Atlas came back with the apples, but he had no intention of letting Hercules walk away while he had to bear the weight of the sky on his shoulders. He was going to leave, but Hercules asked Atlas if he could hold the earth while Hercules put on his lion skin that he got from killing the Nemean Lion. Atlas stupidly agreed. Quickly, Hercules grabbed the apple from Atlas's hand, leaving Atlas holding the sky once more while Hercules completed his labor. According to the legend, Hera later placed the dragon in the sky as the constellation Draco. Due to its position and nearby constellations in the zodiac sign of Libra (i.e. Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and Boötes), the group of constellations can be seen to tell the tale of the eleventh labor.

    In another Greek legend, Draco represents the dragon killed by Cadmus before founding the city of Thebes, Greece. In a third legend, it represents the dragon that guarded the Golden Fleece (occasionally revealed as the sleeping or nearly dead figure of Ladon) and was killed by Jason. The fact that the stars of this circumpolar constellation never set plays an important part in its mythologies.

    In Roman legend, Draco was a dragon killed by the goddess Minerva and tossed into the sky upon his defeat.
    Early Christians originally of the Roman or Greek faith then depicted Draco as the serpent who tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
    The Arabs did not interpret the constellation as a dragon, seeing instead an asterism called the Mother Camels.
    In Chinese Astronomy, Draco is part of the Purple Forbidden enclosure, in which Draco represent one of the three great gods, and the abode of the Celestial Emperor. The Forbidden City, literally "purple forbidden city", is considered as a terrestrial mirror to the celestial palace and thus named after the constellation.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_(constellation)


    NASA's Swift satellite, Hubble Space Telescope, and Chandra X-ray Observatory have teamed up to study one of the most puzzling cosmic blasts ever observed. More than a week later, high-energy radiation continues to brighten and fade from its location.
    Astronomers say they have never seen such a bright, variable, high-energy, long-lasting burst before. Usually, gamma-ray bursts mark the destruction of a massive star, and flaring emission from these events never lasts more than a few hours.
    Although research is ongoing, astronomers feel that the unusual blast likely arose when a star wandered too close to its galaxy's central black hole. Intense tidal forces tore the star apart, and the infalling gas continues to stream toward the hole. According to this model, the spinning black hole formed an outflowing jet along its rotational axis. A powerful blast of X-rays and gamma rays is seen when this jet is pointed in our direction.

    On March 28, 2011, Swift's Burst Alert Telescope discovered the source in the constellation Draco when it erupted with the first in a series of powerful blasts.
    "We know of objects in our own galaxy that can produce repeated bursts, but they are thousands to millions of times less powerful than the bursts we are seeing now. This is truly extraordinary," said Andrew Fruchter at the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore.
    Swift determined a position for the explosion, which is now cataloged as gamma-ray burst (GRB) 110328A, and informed astronomers worldwide.
    As dozens of telescopes turned to the spot, astronomers quickly noticed a small, distant galaxy very near the Swift position. A deep image taken by Hubble on Monday, April 4, pinpointed the source of the explosion at the center of this galaxy, which lies 3.8 billion light-years away from Earth. That same day, astronomers used NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory to make a four-hour-long exposure of the puzzling source. The image, which locates the X-ray object 10 times more precisely than Swift, shows it lies at the center of the galaxy Hubble imaged.

    "We have been eagerly awaiting the Hubble observation," said Neil Gehrels, the lead scientist for Swift at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "The fact that the explosion occurred in the center of a galaxy tells us it is most likely associated with a massive black hole. This solves a key question about the mysterious event."
    Most galaxies, including our own, contain central black holes with millions of times the Sun's mass; those in the largest galaxies can be a thousand times larger. The disrupted star probably succumbed to a black hole less massive than the Milky Way's, which has a mass four million times that of our Sun.
    Astronomers previously have detected stars disrupted by supermassive black holes, but none have shown the X-ray brightness and variability seen in GRB 110328A. The source has undergone numerous flares. Since April 3, for example, the source has brightened by more than five times.
    Scientists think that the X-rays may be coming from matter moving near the speed of light in a particle jet that forms along the rotation axis of the spinning black hole as the star's gas falls into a disk around the black hole.

    "The best explanation at the moment is that we happen to be looking down the barrel of this jet," said Andrew Levan of the University of Warwick in the United Kingdom, who led the Chandra observations. "When we look straight down these jets, a brightness boost lets us view details we might otherwise miss."
    This brightness increase, which is called relativistic beaming, occurs when matter moving close to the speed of light is viewed nearly head on. Astronomers plan additional Hubble observations to see if the galaxy's core changes brightness.
    Goddard manages Swift and Hubble. NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala., manages Chandra. Hubble was built and is operated in partnership with the European Space Agency. Science operations for all three missions include contributions from many national and international partners.

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    And on that note:



    This video,posted first here Might give pause for a moment as it comes to light that one of the bravest most outspoken on behalf of the sick and dying in the Gulf of Mexico as a result of the bp oil spill has what appears to be a dragon tattoo. So then One might see the obvious signs and symbolism and ask if there was also not another unforseen consequence to actions chosen as of late by those who believe they are doing the 'right' thing and acting only 'in and of the light' by seemingly mercilessly venturing into that which is, as of yet, unseen by them according to their own confessions and blazing etherial swords at those things of which they neither know for themselves NOR understand. So then One might ask; what energy contributed to this disaster in the gulf? Could it also be that the event was empowered in part by those who use the ethers to wage wars on beings they cannot even see other than in representations apparently put forth in front of them by those they wish to blame for the disaster themselves? Could it be said then that acting without understanding the consequences of your actions might even empower those whom you think you are slaying in the ethers with your directed energy? Would then a person fall back on scripture saying that they only got what they deserved as they bear the mark of dastardly beasts? And even once this is seen as an obvious symbol of the energies playing out before our eyes would they then repent and say they are wrong? Would they seek to understand the consequences of their actions before carrying their mental creations of war on those they profess hatred for forward the next time? PR would they write it off a ridiculous and choose to remain still partially asleep? If it becomes apparent to you that your actions even 'in the light' are empowering, however small, such great evil against humanity and Mother Earth you then see your own part in being held by a higher force as a responsible party to the destruction rather than creation. That is one example of 'light' out of balance. If your intention is not to cause such actions directly, then it might behoove you to take a look at how and where your energies are being siphoned off and misused by something else you may not be able to see.

    Kindra Arnesen is a very brave representative of the good people being harmed by these ridiculous wars against the self of Creator. What gives here the power to stand up and do what is right despite those who would call her a whining victim to keep her silenced in shame? And believe me there are those who do this, just as there are those who say that those who live in Japan got what they got because they live there and thus deserve no compassion? Yes this is being said by some people sadly enough and is frankly an abomination. As the blinders get lifted more and more we are each more aware of how our actions effect the WHOLE of all that is Creator. Just sharing some thoughts on what to me is obvious.

    Thank you for pointing out the celestial impacts of seemingly unrelated events. "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle



    #35578  April 9th, 2011
    Rolling wrote:

    Oh Dear!
    I've seen this happen before on other forums.
    I'm a newbie here so I wont get into the in's an out's of a ducks bum on this one.
    Just would like to say it's very unproductive for these things to go on, I can see a lot of emotion is riding on this and that's a recipe for ego too take hold and stuff it all up.
    Everyone has the right to believe what they want, just state it and dont get caught up in the drama cause it's all really a movie.

    Peace everyone.


    #35600  April 9th, 2011
    magamud wrote:


    Tawaret from the program Lost...Thanks....


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      mudra Today at 10:40 am

    We don't know what we miss when we fear and the time we waste in postponing or casting away the very Love we are made of.

    Miten with Deva Premal, live in Concert - Till I Was Loved By You, Songs for the Inner Lover


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL8m_wj1li8




    "To truly restore, one has to find balance from merging free-will with cosmic law while being willing to do the construction work as architects of heaven on earth. One also has to be willing to transmute, release or integrate the fragmented and programmed aspects into Love & Wisdom, so the true nature and divine blueprint, can step forward within All. Laura Magdalena"

    Love Always
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    mudra wrote:We don't know what we miss when we fear and the time we waste in postponing or casting away the very Love we are made of.

    Miten with Deva Premal, live in Concert - Till I Was Loved By You, Songs for the Inner Lover


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL8m_wj1li8


    "To truly restore, one has to find balance from merging free-will with cosmic law while being willing to do the construction work as architects of heaven on earth. One also has to be willing to transmute, release or integrate the fragmented and programmed aspects into Love & Wisdom, so the true nature and divine blueprint, can step forward within All. Laura Magdalena"

    Love Always
    mudra
    Yes mudra, the 'Love Within' is indeed omnipresent and available to all, who seek for it. It can however not be found in ignoring or dismissing the 'Love Without', no matter how dire the circumstances and hindrances encountered in the search for it.
    There so exists indeed a 'Enemy Within', who attemts to confuse and perplex as the human mind itself; about the state of the realms in which the Without has no value or worth and that any such 'Enemy Without' can be safely ignored in the physicality of the illusions.

    The 'outside world' is no illusion or Maya, which is to be denied and avoided in lieu of a nirvanistic blissful state of the human mind. The eastern philosophies and mental constructs of culture and 'governance' are just as unawares of their own legislative source codes, as are the western counterpart, called the human civilisation of the orient and the occident respectively.

    There is a 'perfect love' for everyone and every human allegorically named acorn seed; the dragons call it a 'core love' and all what constitutes an old human lovebond implies is given in this 'core' but it is much more, extending from the planetary worlds into the galactic cellular seeds as a new lovebond between Mindwave and Bodymorph.
    Those are the generations and family histories of the old humans; unawares of their true inheritances, origins and destinies; but often desirous and prone to wishful thinking and dreaming about their cosmic identifications.  Grandparents seek to foster their children into their legacies, but then depart into a mysterious world of the afterlife of wavy dreams and expectations. History repeats and the family trees grow evermore, with the oldest of the elders but names at the beginnings and the roots of the dissertations.

    Just as a little acorn seed as a 'mustard seed' must be planted to reveal its mysterious magic contained within its genomatrix without and following its necessary and appropriate nourishment; so will a proto-verse or individual personalized note become a seedling mono-note or singular symbol of creation. Albeit the proto-verse can indeed grow in the soil of its garden and be fed by the sunlight from above and the water from below and sprout into a uni-verse with the note forming a tune and the acorn becoming a tender planted shootling. The fragile little tree however grows stronger into a multi-versal collection of tunes and a mono-song or uni-verse becomes a supersede from the lonesome seed of its own beginnings.
    When the little tree becomes a bigger tree, then it will have developed its own seeds of reproduction as acorn seeds and then the multi-versed mono-song can become the parent for other mono-songs in its due time and the tunes from the notes become melodies in the multiplication of the acornian trees as a forest of oaken trees and then the Omni-verse has the tools to construct a symphony from the orchestras of its multi-versed uni-verses or mono-songs.

    And so it is in the genealogies. On the old earth you find the lineages of families and bloodlines, all said to stem from ancestral grandparents who have long gone and left their legacies to their descendants. So where have they gone, those ancestors of the children of the children?
    They are the originators and progenitors of the first acorn seeds, which have become the human forest on the old earth as a new earth in the becomings.
    So the genomatrix of the ancestors is the key to their whereabouts, as the eldest of the ancestor trees have returned to where they had come from before becoming the original acorn and mustard seeds of the genesis.

    And those 'places of the origins' are not on this planet of the old earth, but as a place of destinations for the first acornian mono-songs they are. And so the ancestors know where they are and where they had been as the Elders of the Elders of all the human forests.


    (88) Jesus said, "The angels and the prophets will come to you and give to you those things you (already) have. And you too, give them those things which you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what is theirs?'"


    Both songs are true, but complement as 1+1=2 and not as ½+½=1

    The validity of this statement can be ascertained or 'simply understood' from the following source codes from the ET realm; where this 'greatest love' became manifest before introducing it to its Motherworld..


    (3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

    (11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

    (22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

    (40) Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted outside of the father, but being unsound, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed."

    (47) Jesus said, "It is impossible for a man to mount two horses or to stretch two bows. And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters; otherwise, he will honor the one and treat the other contemptuously. No man drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine. And new wine is not put into old wineskins, lest they burst; nor is old wine put into a new wineskin, lest it spoil it. An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, because a tear would result."

    (48) Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in this one house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."

    (61) Jesus said, "Two will rest on a bed: the one will die, and the other will live."
    Salome said, "Who are you, man, that you ... have come up on my couch and eaten from my table?"
    Jesus said to her, "I am he who exists from the undivided. I was given some of the things of my father."
    <...> "I am your disciple."
    <...> "Therefore I say, if he is destroyed, he will be filled with light, but if he is divided, he will be filled with darkness."

    (62) Jesus said, "It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries that I tell my mysteries. Do not let your left (hand) know what your right (hand) is doing."

    (87) Jesus said, "Wretched is the body that is dependant upon a body, and wretched is the soul that is dependent on these two."

    (89) Jesus said, "Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Do you not realize that he who made the inside is the same one who made the outside?"

    (106) Jesus said, "When you make the two one, you will become the sons of man, and when you say, 'Mountain, move away,' it will move away."
    Shiloh, October 10th, 2013





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    #37638 April 18th, 2011
    shiloh wrote:

    Deedee wrote:
    Phoenix wrote:

    Deedee wrote:
    Phoenix wrote:

    You hit the nail JT!
    Watch Richard Hoagland.
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=10&Itemid=164, , (from NGC thread).
    Phoenix

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    Hopefully this does.
    Phoenix


    Thanks for this Bluey Dracs... I just now got around to watching it

    Sure Deedee; you are welcome as one who has discerned the VEIL of the EVIL in being A LIVE.
    The 'Phobos=Fear' labeling of the Martian Moon as a remnant of an 'Elder Human Civilisation' by Richard Hoagland is appropriate, following our investigations.
    We have placed a caveat onto Richard's general 'science' in the attached message; do however support his general emphasis and thrust as displayed in this video you commented upon as well as the general emphasis of the 'Dark Mission' statements.

    The Cosmic Presence of the Starhuman Race in the History of the Ten Principalities and Generations of the Logos

    A major reconfiguration of the cosmic matrix occurred about 2,200 million years ago and this nexus served as a preparation for another major transformation of spacetime triggering a metamorphosis of the seedling universe, now about 19.11 billion years of cosmic age.

    This second cosmic transformation is often associated with particular timeframes like the Mayan calendar, prophecies and futuristic expectations and natural phenomena such as the precession of the equinoxes or the planetary orbits about centres and axes of rotations.
    This essay shall indicate that all those aspects are interwoven and exposit the deeper reason as to why a particular 26,000 year precessional cycle of the planet earth relates to the nexus point of universal consciousness of a galactic starhuman race, triggered 2,200 million years ago.

    So 2,200 million years ago; the starhuman template or blueprint was born in the event of the cosmic self-reflection and in what can be termed the awakening of quantum self-consciousness on the cosmic scale.
    It took about 16.9 billion years for the linear evolvement of the entropic time arrow to reach its own limiting boundary from its own birth as a quantum event emerging from a spacetimeless realm of the eternal void or the infinite singularity.

    This singularity is finitised in a minimum spacetimematter configuration, commonly termed a wormhole of the hyperspace or a Einstein-Rosen-Bridge.
    The quantum nature of reality is beyond dispute, as is the applicability of the classical geometric theory of the relativities. However, Einstein's Theory of General Relativity requires a flat (Minkowski) spacetime background and so disallows spin-orbit coupling in so called torsion effects of angular momentum; the latter ultimately reducible to the quantum theory of quantized particle spins as function of a 'quantum action' (EnergyxTime=DisplacementxMomentum in Planck's Constant h).

    So the classical geometric theory of Einstein is extended in a torsion accomodating hyperphysics, known as the Theory of Einstein-Cartan. In Einstein-Cartan theory, the flat Minkowski metric is allowed to curve in say Ashtekar parameters and tensor variables and the Minkowski continuum of the potential and intrinsic singualities becomes finitized in a summation of wormholes or Black Hole-White Hole dyadic unitary building blocks.

    The flat continuous spacetime of Einstein-Minkowski-Riemann so becomes curved and discretized in quantized wormhole funnels in hyperspacetime and the classical geometric description for the universe's cosmologies are rendered quantum geometric.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93Cartan_theory

    Then about 2,200 million years ago, the presently observed and measured universe became 'reset' after a 16.9 billion journey of the original lightpath of the creation reaching its own preset boundary as say a 11-dimensional Witten-Membrane-Mirror.
    This became a consequence of the original inflationary expansion of a massless universe, which occurred BEFORE the so termed Big Bang of the classical thermodynamic cosmology of a Planck Black Body Radiator.

    The string- or brane epoch magnified the size of the wormhole in a factor of 1048 from the wormhole unit of so 10-22 meters to the so called Hubble scale of 1026 meters; and in a physics of the hyperspace known as a de Broglie wave matter phase transition.
    The 'Bubble of the Omniverse' so became manifest as a lightpath of 16.9 billion lightyears in 11D membrane Witten-Mirrorspace; with the lightspeed invariance of the classical and relativistic Einstein-Planck universe asymptotically expanding towards this mirror space boundary.

    Because of lightspeed 'c' becoming the acceleration limit for all inertial objects, the lower 10-dimensional string universe so can only reach its higher dimensional boundary following an infinite linear temporal time evolution.
    The lightpath itself will however attain this boundary in a finite time as a function of the de Broglie matter wave parameters.
    And those parameters then specify the 2,200 million year nexus as the time of the intersection of the Big Bang lightpath of creation with its own boundary of the Mirror Membrane omnispace.

    The Universe Seedling, also known as Barbelo or the Cosmic Mother, so 'woke up' in poetic terms when the light of the Big Bang reached the wavematter mirror.
    The lightpath both penetrated the mirror membrane into unexplored and undefined 12-dimensional Vafa-Father-Spacetime in refraction and reflected in a return and retracing of the electromagnetic parameters of the forwards journey.

    The dispersion of the creation energy could now stop its entropic expansion of the stringed inertia into the membraned gravita under the auspices of the Equivalence principle of Einstein regarding inertial kinematic mass and gravitational potential mass.
    The Cosmic Sentiences as the Universal Intelligence was born and could begin to accumulate in negentropy in suitable vessels or bodyforms for the further processing of the creation energy in terms of spacial consciousness.

    The following references describe this space inherent consciousness in more technical and mathematical terminology and provide an overview for the Extraterrestrial Life so instigated in the 'Electromagnetic Return' of the Lightpath of the Creator.


    Planet Earth, ETs and the Akashic Sphere of the Remembrances

    www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&a...FB-ACF6-CCB1382143C3

    jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/128/137

    www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&a...72-9755-5D6EA2D3666E

    Four Metric Ages for the Universe in the Cosmology of Membranes

    The Age of the Universe is metric dependent. One might ask certain questions, like "How old is he Universe" and this is a very good question at the core of all cosmology.
    Analysis shows, that there are four different metrics and so there are four ages and four sizes for your universe and depending on one's viewpoint of observation.

    If measured from WITHIN the inertia defined Hubble Horizon in a 10D-string universe, the universe has the volume of a sphere, but measured from in between that Hubble Horizon in 10D and its 11D-membrane universe, this volume transforms into a special toroidal shape, like a doughnut without as hole.
    This then gives the volume V10+=2π2Rmax3x[n/(n+1)]3 for an inertial doughnut age of 8.96 billion years or a 15.03 billion year spherical age. These are the Actual Inertial Ages for the universe as envelopes or upper bounds and these are not the ages as measured by scientists as the natural philosophers.
    The transformation factor between the "doughnut without a hole" and the sphere is the upper bounded Chaos Constant known as the Feigenbaum-Delta: σFmax=3π/2.

    This is defined (by the Theorem of Centroids by Pappus) in the toroidal volume 2πR.πR2=2π2R3 = (3π/2).(4πR3/3) for a (tangential) Horn Torus. Exactly 8 spheres of radius R fit into a sphere of radius 2R and define the maximized Chaos Delta in:

    8.4πR3/3 = 32πR3/3 = Volume of OmniSphere radius 2R encompassing Volume of Torus radius
    R = (16/3π).2π2R3.

    Should one measure the universe from a position of OUTSIDE this 11-D WittenMirror-spacetime say in 12D-VafaMirror spacetime however, the volume increases due to the 4-dimensional seed activated by the 3-dimensional seed.
    Technically the surface on which the far away mirror exists becomes a 3-dimensional mirror just as the location of a local surface mirror can be postulated to exist on the inside of a spherical 2-dimensional mirror much farther away and as 'seen at a distance'.
    Then the outside of this 2D-mirror surface changes from a spherical surface to a doughnut surface, remaining however 2-dimensional, albeit in transition to 3D, obtained in the asymptotic approach of the 2D-surface towards the 3D-surface.
    In other words, the 'Image' as seen in the 'far away mirror' INTERSECTS its own lightpath X=cT and between the mass parametric lower-D spacetime and the electromagnetically defined higher-D spacetime.

    Outside the far away mirror in the 12-D-Vafa spacetime then the surface topology is 4-dimensional as the orthogonal vector nRmax in the expression dV11+=S.dR=2π2Rmax3dR from V4=½π2R4 and dV4/dR=2π2R3.

    The extra-3D-volume so becomes: V11+=n3.2π2Rmax3 and is measured relative to the inside in 10D as an age of 32.04 billion years, but relative to the outside in 11D as 19.11 billion years. These are the Actual Electromagnetic Ages for the universe.

    The Measured Ages for the universe are however lower, than the Actual Ages, because of the intersection of the 3rd dimension with the 4th dimension.

    If the critical volume is defined as Vcritical=2π2Rmax3, then the extra 3D volume expanding as a 4D volume seed will be V11-= n.Vcritical and as reduced from V11+=n3.Vcritical.

    The Measured Electromagnetic Age for your universe then is 17.59 billion doughnut years and 29.49 billion sphere years.
    The following expressions must hold and define the multivolumes in labels, which can then become reinterpreted in the form of 'missing energy' and 'missing mass'. Many cosmologists in your universe term this the search for 'dark energy' and 'dark matter' respectively.

    Multidimension Factor: DIM = V11+/V10+=V11-/V10-

    Dark Matter Factor: DIMDM=V11-/V10+=(n+1)3/n2~7.561 (for n=npresent)
    Dark Energy Factor: DIMDE=V11+/V10-=(n+1)3.n2~12.434 (for n=npresent)

    One so must have a reduced 3-dimensional inertial volume V10-, which is given by
    V10-=(n/[n+1]3)2π2Rmax3 and provides a doughnut age of 8.25 billion years and the age measured by the astrophysicist, namely 13.83 billion years as the Measured Inertial Ages for the universe.

    Comprehensively then, the universe is experiencing an ongoing transformation in its cosmological evolution.
    Technical details are published here: www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&a...30-8B3C-66CE5510131B

    The Cosmic Wavesurfer and the Omniverse in Phi and incorporates the following data:

    R11+=(n)RHubble from V11+=(n3)2π2Rmax3
    R11-=n1/3RHubble from V11-=(n)2π2Rmax3
    R10+=(n/[n+1])RHubble from V10+=(n/[n+1])32Rmax3
    R10-=(n1/3/[n+1])RHubble from V10-=(n/[n+1]3)2π2Rmax3

    The Delta Δ=0.1324...then assigns the ratio Δ/(1+Δ)=Δ/n=(n-1)/n=1-1/n=0.1170 to the proportion of the asymptotic Universe which has become Revisited by the 'Electromagnetic Return' of the EMMR Light (of the Spirit of the CreatorCreation Monad in the Creator-Creation Duality).

    So for Δ=1, Δ/n=1/2 for a complete Hubble Oscillation and defining the return of the EMMR Light to its Big Bang Node, indicating that the full 50% of the asymptotic expansion of the protoversal seedling has become 'remapped' and 'downloaded' in the information of the first Hubble Cycle. The return lightpath of the EMMR would however still await remapping' and 'downloading' as the fraction 2/3-1/2=1/6 or 16.666%.

    For Δ=2, n=3 and so 2/3 of the data download would image the expansion factor a=n/(n+1)=3/4 as the part of the unmapped transversion of the multiversal cyclicity arrow of 3/4-2/3=1/12 or 8.3333%.

    The 'Heartbeat of the Omniverse' so defines the Hubble-Oscillation for the Multiverse.
    The 'downloaded' data is centered on the physicalised Image of the Mother-Black Hole of the Circumscribing Witten Mirror and so becomes the Gaian Supersphere for the 'downloaded data' from the rest of the Omniverse.

    As the 'returned data' (for a referential movie indicator consider Star Trek One, the Motion Picture) at the present cycletime coordinate npresent=1.1324..is 11.70% of the total extent of the EMMR Lightpath; it will be this proportion of RHubble, centered on the Gaian geometrical center; which defines the Gaian Superradius as RGaia=0.117RHubble=1.977 Billion lightyears (Gly).

    Using Quantum Relativity String data: Rmax=RHubble=ct/n=lightpath/n=RWormhole(H)1/3; H=ABCD=(RHubble/RWormhole)3
    =1.59767545..x10[sup26[/sup](m*)=16.8761... Giga-lightyears for the Boundary- and Initial conditions



    R11+=(n)RHubble=19.11 Gly (toroidal) & 32.04 Gly (spherical) for a Mean Value of: ½(19.11+32.04)Gly=½[(3π/2)1/3+1]x19.11083=25.5754415...Gly

    as approximation to the 25,626.81 ly fractal of the 'Civil 365.2425 Day Year', which would be 'exact' for a extrapolated '365.976..~366 Day Year'.
    26,000x360=25,626.81x365.2425=25,575.44...x365.9761


    RGaia11+=2.24 Gly (toroidal) & 3.75 Gly (spherical)

    R11-=(n1/3)RHubble=17.59 Gly (toroidal) & 29.49 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia11-=2.06 Gly (toroidal) & 3.45 Gly (spherical)

    R10+=(n/[n+1])RHubble=8.96 Gly (toroidal) & 15.02 Gly (spherical)
    RGaia10+=1.05 Gly (toroidal) & 1.76 Gly (spherical)

    R10-=(n1/3/[n+1])RHubble=8.25 Gly (toroidal) & 13.83 Gly (spherical)

    RGaia10-=0.97 Gly (toroidal) & 1.62~1.618 Gly (spherical)


    The Gaian Superradius for the spherical corrrelation of the toroidal minimum size of the Omniverse, so corresponds to the standard and popularized age-measurement for the lower dimensional universe converging to an age of 13.83 billion lightyears.

    The Omniversal Gaian fractal then approximates this nexus point in the Golden Ratio Phi to allow determination of the n-cycle coordinate whenever the overall omniversal evolvement has attained the consciousness potential to process that omniversal data base.
    In particular, the Gaian observers of that cosmic evolution will KNOW WHERE they are in determining this n-cycletime coordinate and then broadcast this value to the extraterrestrial omniverse as indicated.

    EMMR Lightpath in Billions of Lightyears is X=cT=Lightpath of EMMR.

    Φ=1.618033...=½(√5+1)=-Y=1/X for (X,Y) the Roots of T(n)=n(n+1)=1 in Euler's Identity in the Quadratic n2+n-1=0=(n-X)(n-Y)

    XY=X+Y=i2=-1=cos(π)+isin(π)=cis(π)=e and

    ΦX=cTΦ=RGaia10-=([n-1]/n)(3π/2)1/3 (n1/3/[n+1])RHubble
    =(n-1)(3πn/2)1/3RHubble/T(n)=RGaia10-

    Φ=(RGaia10-)/EMMR-Lightpath=RGaia10-/(cx3600x24x365.2425x109)

    The Lightpath for the EMMR (aka 'Spirit') so requires a definition of what a cyclic year is and is approximated above as a Civil GigaYear of 31,556,952 Billion seconds for a lightpath of 9.4670856...x1024 meters or 1 Billion lightyears.

    Solving the transcendental equation:

    f(n)=cTΦ-RGaia10-=0=cTΦ - (n-1)(3πn/2)1/3RHubble/T(n)=0 then determines npresent in this approximation as npresent~1.132419321.



    Calling the extraterrestrial observers within the Gaian Superspherical Radius of Φ Billion lightyears and as minimum omniversal volumar in sphericity.
    The Human Exiled Collective Agency has determined "Where They Are" as the Gaian representatives for the Omniversal constituency in the n-cycletime coordinate system.
    The StarHuman deliverance can so become initiated in the Collective Cooperation and as determined by the World Logos.

    As per the references given, the Gaian lifeforms so substantiated in their morphogenetic bodyforms following the 'electromagnetic return' of the creator's lightpath and the multicellular lifeforms muliplied and propered following their evolutionary pathologies beginning so 2,200 million years ago with the oxgen enrichment of the Gaian atmosphere.

    As Gaia is specified in her Hill Sphere (see reference), superposed onto the light inversion parameter characteristic to the inertia of the earth and its displacement from the solar focus in its orbital motion; the Gaian Noosphere or planetary consciousness becomes a focuspoint for all other starhuman races evolved in various manners in a subspace 'Bubble of Intersection' and of about 4,400 million years diameter centred on the Gaian geometrical centre of mass.

    All planets carry Hill Spheres relative to their planetary gravitational characteristics as functions to their parent stars; but only Gaia is defined in a supplementary light inversion wavefront superposed onto the Hill sphere.

    The estimated age of the martian moon Phobos is about 2.2 billion years as a carbonaceous chondrite meteorite, that is material found in the asteroid belt located between Mars and Jupiter.

    Superposing such a 'natural exterior' origin for Phobos (fear) and Deimos (dread), as the natural satellites for Mars, onto a proposed 'artifical interior' construction by a prior starhuman civilization (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(moon) ; www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/marte_phobos08.htm);

    {Caveat by Tonyblue: Whilst much of Richard Hoagland's and associates' analysis remains highly speculative and open to scientific rigour; his basic premises regarding the prevalence of physical evidence with respect to an earlier human civilization throughout the solar system is supported by metaphysical inferrence and archeaological evidence} then allows an advanced spacetime civilization to manouver about its agenda within a particular star system focused on a 'planet of destiny' called Gaia Serpentina.

    Phobos has been measured to be about 30-35% hollow and so can serve as a 'spaceship' so 20-25 km across (see references above).





    memory-alpha.org/wiki/Yonada


    Yonada

    Yonada was a a 10,000-year-old asteroid-ship, built by the Fabrini when they realized that their home sun was about to go supernova and destroy all life on their planet. Yonada was constructed out of a hollowed-out asteroid and was sent on a computer-controlled course to a habitable colony world. In 2268, the USS Enterprise encountered the worldship when it was fired upon by the automated defense systems of Yonada.

    The "surface" of Yonada

    The Enterprise crew discovered that Yonada was on a collision course with the populated planet Daran V. The inhabitants of Yonada had been in space for so long that they had forgotten that they were on a ship. They called the ship's computer the Oracle and had built a sophisticated religion around it and its purpose to bring them to "the new world."

    Central to this faith was the Oracle Room, which contained the physical representation of the Oracle, a kneeling position for use by the high priestess when conversing with the Oracle, and a plinth containing the Book of the People. The Oracle Room also contained a number of defensive mechanisms under the control of the Oracle, including a means of incapacitating intruders using an electric shock, and a means of heating the room to very high temperatures very quickly. Finally, it contained the concealed entrance to Yonada's control room.

    The Enterprise crew helped Natira, the leader of the Yonada colonists, to understand that their world was a ship, and corrected the worldship's course to its intended destination.

    (TOS: The Original Star Trek Series: "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky")

    It was from Rik Vollaert's evocative, 42-year-old script, of how "the Enterprise discovers a '200-mile-wide errant asteroid' in deep space," which the crew soon determine "is on direct course toward a deadly collision with 'Daran V' - an inhabited planet supporting almost 4 billion unsuspecting souls..."
    Of course, "the Enterprise must stop the impending catastrophe... by altering the asteroid's deadly course; barring that, Kirk intends to simply destroy the threatening space rock..."

    Until he discovers that the asteroid is also inhabited... and has been artificially "hollowed out" and set upon,

    "a centuries-long, interstellar survival journey... by a long-extinct civilization, the Fabrini..."

    The Enterprise further discovers that the descendents of the Fabrini - the "people of Yonada" (as the child-like asteroid-inhabitants have named their tiny "planetoid"...)

    Have NO idea they have been born... and have died... generation after generation - inside "a hollow, artificial world...!"

    Or, that their small, wandering "ship" - after a 10,000-year-old journey - is now, in the last remaining hours of its millennial-long voyage, on a fatal collision course with a major, inhabited world...
    This allows a planetary coevolution of starhuman civilizations; all without the restrictions or the quarantine of the starhuman template of Gaia.

    In science fictional terms (of say Star Trek and the 'hints' of Buzz Aldrin and the Stanley Kubrik's motion pictures of 'insider' Arthur C. Clarke's '2001 - A Space Odyssey' and its sequel '2010 - The Year We Make Contact' then; the "Fabrini of Yonada" are the starhuman ancestors of the human civilization exiled from the galactic forums under quarantine upon Gaia.


    It stands to reason then, that the projected starhuman metamorphosis of Gaia will allow a 'back engineering' or retracing of the ubiquituos starhuman template in the co-evolvement of other suitable planetary environments with respect to the bodyforms or merkabahs suited to the encountered environments.

    The decisive parameter for the timeline and the unfoldment of the overall plan for the reconfiguration of the cosmos; so will be a cyclicity or oscillation of an encompassing structure for the habitat; say a star system within an encompassing cellular galaxy.

    The galactic cell of many star systems so holofractically maps the biological cell of the great consciousness awakening of the electromagnetic light path nexus; changing from unicellular or prokaryote type to multicellular and eukaryotic taxonomy or archetype.

    It so becomes the distance between the galactic centre and the star system and star planet and not the period of precession, differing between starsystems and their subsystems; which defines the 'heartbeat' or the galactic oscillation of the communication between the galactic centre as the emitter and the receiver of the signal in a star system with its constituent planets.

    A 'Great Platonic Year' is 360 'Ancient Days' for 26,000 'Great Platonic Years' being 360x26,000=9,360,000 'Days' as 65 Mayan baktuns or 5x13x144,000=9,360,000 'Kin'.


    The distance between the galactic centre (Mayan Hunab Ku as the Butterfly Path of the Creator) of the Milky Way galaxy and the Solar System is then assigned this timespan as the lightpath of a galactic wavefront emitted from Hunab Ku 26,000 'Great Platonic Years' before a specified baktun date, such as the Mayan date 13.0.0.0.0 or Gregorian December 21st, 2012.

    This signal or wavefront from the galactic centre so represents say a forward motion or 'expansion of a greater cycle like a heartbeat oscillation.

    Considering bigger cyclicities, such as the Milankovitch cycles of particular planetary relationships between global environmental changes like iceages linked to longterm changes in precession and astrophysical dynamics (see reference below); a period of ten halfcycles of expansion-contraction can become assigned to the actual manifestation of the starhuman template and culminating in the completion of the consciousness evolvement, which began in its initialisation 2,200 million years ago.

    The Cosmic Laws and their physical manifestation in the 'Laws of Nature' can be modeled on ten principalities of the World Logos and so can be assigned to ten 'Great Platonic Years' (GPY) as the 'retro engineered' Logos timeline for the nexus date of the electromagnetic return of the 'Creator's Source Energy'.




    1. Identity/1st Heaven - AntiIdentity/1st Hell as the First Generation of 26 Billion GPY
    is assigned to a First Fractal Age of 25.57544.. Billion Years & 25.62681 Billion 'Civil Years' as the Birth of the Seedling Universe:
    260,000 - 234,000 GPY = November, 254,257 BC - September, 228,630 BC and in a mythology of Lemurian civilization

    2. Expansion/2nd Heaven - Contraction/2nd Hell as the Second Generation of 2.6 Billion GPY
    is assigned to a Second Fractal Age of 2.557544 Billion Years & 2.562681 Billion 'Civil Years':
    234,000 - 208,000 GPY = September, 228,630 BC - July, 203,003 BC and in a mythology

    3. Order/3rd Heaven - Disorder or Chaos/3rd Hell as the Third Generation of 260 Million GPY
    is assigned to a Third Fractal Age of 255.7544 Million Years & 256.2681 Million 'Civil Years':
    208,000 - 182,000 GPY = July, 203,003 - April, 177,376 BC and in a mythology

    4. Symmetry/4th Heaven - AntiSymmetry or Distortion/4th Hell as the Fourth Generation of 26 Million GPY
    is assigned to a Fourth Fractal Age of 25.57544 Million Years & 25.62681 Million 'Civil Years':
    182,000 - 156,000 GPY = April, 177,376 BC - February 151,749 BC and in a mythology

    5. Infinity or Divergence/5th Heaven - Limit or Convergence/5th Hell as the Fifth Generation of 2.6 Million GPY
    is assigned to a Fifth Fractal Age of 2.557544 Million Years & 2.562681 Million 'Civil Years':
    156,000 - 130,000 GPY = February, 151,749 BC - December, 126,123 BC and in a mythology

    6. Inversion or Reciprocity/6th Heaven - Constancy/6th Archon as the Sixth Generation of 260,000 GPY
    is assigned to a Sixth Fractal Age of 255,754.4 Years & 256,268.1 'Civil Years':
    130,000 - 104,000 GPY = December, 126,123 BC - September, 100,496 BC and in a mythology

    7. Reflection/7th Heaven - Absorption/7th Archon as the Seventh Generation of 26,000 GPY
    is assigned to a Seventh Fractal Age of 25,575.44 Years & 25,626.81 'Civil Years':
    104,000 - 78,000 GPY = September, 100,496 BC - July, 74,869 BC and in a mythology

    8. Relativity - No Anti-Principle as the Eighth Generation of 2,600 GPY
    is assigned to a Eighth Fractal Age of 2,557.544 Years & 2,562.681 'Civil Years':
    78,000 - 52,000 GPY = July, 74,869 BC - May, 49,242 BC and in a mythology

    9. Quantization - No Anti-Principle as the Ninth Generation of 260 GPY
    is assigned to a Ninth Fractal Age of 255.7544 Years & 256.2681 'Civil Years':
    52,000 - 26,000 GPY = May, 49,242 BC - February, 23,615 BC and in a mythology of Atlantean civilization in its development and its destruction

    10. New Identity as the Tenth Generation of 26 GPY in using 1-9 in Rootreduction 10=1+0; 11=1+1=2; 12=1+2=3;
    and so on in N+9=N* is assigned to a Tenth Fractal Age of 25.57544 Years & 25.62681 'Civil Years':
    26,000 - 0 GPY = February 28th, 23,615 BC - December 21st, 2012 and a mythology of the Mayan return of the Elders from the Skies



    Milankovitch Theory describes the collective effects of changes in the Earth's movements upon its climate, named after Serbian civil engineer and mathematician Milutin Milanković, who worked on it during First World War internment. Milanković mathematically theorised that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit determined climatic patterns on Earth.

    The Earth's axis completes one full cycle of precession approximately every 26,000 years. At the same time the elliptical orbit rotates more slowly. The combined effect of the two precessions leads to a 21,000-year period between the seasons and the orbit. In addition, the angle between Earth's rotational axis and the normal to the plane of its orbit, obliquity, moves from 22.1 degrees to 24.5 degrees and back again on a 41,000-year cycle; currently, this angle is 23.44 degrees and is decreasing.

    Other astronomical theories were advanced by Joseph Adhemar, James Croll and others, but verification was difficult due to the absence of reliably dated evidence and doubts as to exactly which periods were important. Not until the advent of deep-ocean cores and a seminal paper by Hays, Imbrie, and Shackleton, "Variations in the Earth's Orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages", in Science (1976)[1] did the theory attain its present state.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles



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    #337639 April 18th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    Wow. My posts keep getting removed while the sh** continues. Nice. LOL.


    Hi Tommy,

    I would like to know (and I will also send this to you in message to be sure you have received it.) are you the one who has removed the posts I made on this thread that were simply copies of things that other members had posted openly on this public forum about me? You see I have to do this out in the open as it seems that this is what is expected here at Camelot. It was posted that I "took an ass woopin' by Crystal Chi (Lita) when she threatened me with several things including her own apparent (admitted use over several posts made by her) with black magick, etc. which coupled with the threat post that followed which someone keeps deleting so no one can see it, the posts by Crystal Chi Lita begin on this page and between my question to her about her magickal sygil which is being used in a negative energy way as she admitted in the threat itself it can be clearly seen that this is not something I made up.


    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=250&Itemid=164

    You have clear admittance at the very least of intent to cause harm through the use of black magick. Perhaps this ought not to just be swept under the rug. It would not be ignored of some alphabet soup agency were to have done it, why should the rules here be any different than what the overall forum would seem to like to have for the rest of the world? You cannot change the world for the better by espousing the same methods as those you wish to expose. I was discrete about that part and trusted you to see Tommy. Maybe you do see. ?
    The reason for this post (the one I made on Sianellen's thread) should have been obvious. The way in which the threat was removed from all threads and covered up someone on here not only leaves things to be taken out of context by any one who reads anything that has been previously posted, and anything that gets posted with regard to my character in the future. It makes no sense to try to handle things in a better way when the problem of this same group saying deleterious things on any public post remains protected as it would seem by whomever is controlling the posts behind the scenes.


    Sianellen said this: on Kerry's post the other night.

    "Well, MaryIshtatCreiddylad, yes this site has been hit for a long time, and if you have been so dissatisfied with everything why have you bothered to post so much of your stuff here, I wonder who's been playing the bigest games Mary, ask yourself? This site was taken down about a half our ago, this hasn't happened to me for about 2 weeks aprox. I think this was good timing!"


    ...which was not only taking it off topic, but again personal attacks based upon the foundation which has been previously laid out by the way other things were 'handled'.
    In response to my addressing it in relation to what Sianellen posted on her own thread rather than bicker on Kerry's, Then Crystal Chi Lita Joined in. Am I not allowed to refresh people's memory, or clue in new viewers to the source of the banter by posting her threats and Spacecowboys awful drunken words in response when either one of them slanders me? I trusted that you would handle the original issue with fairness and integrity.

    Is not the idea of a open fair and EQUAL for all Place what Camelot is all about? So then am I to understand clearly that You believe I am the one who did the harassing on the most recent thread here:


    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...37260&Itemid=164

    ???

    Because it is clearly made to look as if I was saying harassing things there where the worlds were removed, when in fact what was posted was a whole lot of not very nice things that had been directed at me by other members who are clearly looking like they are acting in accordance with policy here by suggesting that I should have been openly lowering myself to using those same words and threats back at them instead of bringing it to your attention? (You know so as not to get an 'ass whoopin', which clearly allowed the same bolony to continue?) Is that how an issue should be handled here?

    I should threaten other members well being and call them names? Because I have had to really bite my tongue here Tommy. I have never in all of my life EVER taken that kind of crap from other people laying down, (and I have won every battle that has come before me even when it has in some cases taken a decade to do so. Because when I am right and am speaking the truth I believe it is important to stand up for it.)but I also believe there should be a civilized way of handling such a situation. You may suggest that when they 'call me out' as they seem to like to say on a public forum that the right thing to do is to handle it quietly behind the scenes with discretion, But What I see that has gone on here clearly ranks right up there with EXACTLY the kind of dirty cover up and corruption that one might expect to hear from one of Kerry's sources about a black op's group or crooked gov officials.

    What good does it do to have this forum or organization at all when the activities here and the way they are addressed seems to fall very much short of rising above the type of structure and abuse of power to cover up for the good ol boy's that this site is supposed to be about in the first place. There is a lot I could say to help, and a lot that I could do to help people help themselves in a more informed and healthy fashion toward having the world be a better place for every one in it if that is the goal of this site as I believe Kerry intends it to be... Just as I understand it, not to put words in her mouth or anything.

    I have not really felt like putting myself on the line to do this after seeing that Lita was protected and rewarded by the admin as it seems after she outright threatened me the way she did. I am not whining, but I would expect this site to uphold certain standards and ideals considering the mission statement. I want to know if you removed it Tommy, or if it was someone else, and if you could clarify what exactly the said harassment was. If you are considering that harassment on my part having re posted their words, perhaps you could also remove the original posts at the following locations by those members? If you felt the original words posted by them perhaps they ought also to be removed?


    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=240&Itemid=164
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=250&Itemid=164
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...rt=20&Itemid=164

    I could do a whole lot of different things with this situation, but because I believe that if this organization does what it says in its mission statement it can change the world, and possibly avert a total war scenario in which case many people will loose a lot. This small handful of members with apparent squatters rights, that even talk with complete lack of respect for Kerry and Bill after all they have done by disagreeing in a confrontational fashion and swearing in the process rather than act at all civilized in their posting of opinions, could in all seriousness prevent the other thousands of people who come here for truth and disclosure from having the opportunity to hear from people with valuable information. Information that could prevent wars rather than trying to solve the problem with the same level of consciousness and the same old methods that created it.

    Yes I am angry at this point Tommy. I know you don't care about that, but if you understood fully you would understand my desire to have things resolved properly and in a civilized calm fashion before they get to this point. If I get followed from post to post with insults from yours ans "Steve's" friends and nothing is said to them, then why would I not have equal right to respond with even re post of their own words? That makes No sense in the context of the purpose of this forum.


    Respectfully,

    MaryIshtarCreiddylad


    Addendum: I did happen to see (it has since been removed by poster) Chystal Chi Lita thanked Triggsie69 for removing the material that was removed. I would still like to see this answered by Tommy. I did not have time to email, and was unable to send it PM to Tommy though I still intend to do so. This is a busy week for me and I am irritated that I even need to deal with this same group of people causing trouble again. Someone needs to stand up to this or this forum is a complete fraud when it comes to truth and openness.

    So funny, all of the links to the original

    pages where the problem began no longer

    lead to the pages,

    but to an error screen. Hmm. More COVER UP?



    I have no intentions of doing so at this time, however; any comments posted on this thread may be subject to being copied elsewhere in the future. (This is intended to protect the integrity of my words as I am known here on this forum and for no other reason.)
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    #37732 April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    Quite bizarre... I know I had earlier posts on this thread... I don't know why they are getting deleted but if it's such a problem why not just delete this whole thread.. like they have other threads? Are we being "screened" now on what we can or cannot say... Just curious?

    #37738 April 19th, 2011
    Arachne wrote:


    Dear Deborah!

    Unless there are more 'silly' games than I perceive atm; you may care to check your membership.
    I know that about 3 or 4 Thubans (and Mary?) were banned after the stargate templates were published and this taliban issue raised its head again. I was able to place the 'missing reply' onto your thread on the paradigm.

    Be well
    Arachne


    337739 April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    What do you mean by check my membership?... I am confused?

    #37740 April 19th, 2011
    Arachne wrote:

    Deedee wrote:

    What do you mean by check my membership?... I am confused?

    Perhaps a browser issue or a queue of some sorts.
    I get this message about your profile.

    "I am sorry, but either we cannot find the requested profile or this account is no longer active. Please contact the site administrator if you believe this is an error."

    The same for the banned dragons and also for Mary.
    Not so for say sianellen.
    As said perhaps sandpit games; but i dont know.

    Arachne
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    #37741 April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    Show me the proof of what I'm supposed to be accused of! I have better things to do than play silly mind confusing games! I intend to get my information out (as we all do) and I'm not going to take anymore bickering, whining and complaining from a bandy of 5... so if you are "confused yet".... ask yourselves if the silly little mind games isn't the reason for the confusion! I will remain in my integrity and can only intend the the rest of you do too!

    #37742 April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    Don't know! I'm still online!

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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider ...

    Post  Didymos on Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:17 pm

    These 20 Dogs Were Busted in the Act. Now They’re Being Hilariously and Adorably Shamed.
    October 5, 2013
    Entertaiment    http://www.viralnova.com/20-dog-shaming/


    When these 20 dogs did something they weren’t supposed to do, the owners took an unorthodox approach. They decided to shame them on the Internet. And since these dogs have no clue what that means, the result just came out absolutely adorable.

































































    Jorgelito

    RE Those 20 Dogs
    Susan, I couldn't stop laughing.  I sent this one on to 4 people.





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    Shiloh

    Good sharing Suzy!  Just what this sad world needs!

    The ETs are here and are trying to communicate with their descendants in Physicality as their Ancestors in Mentality.

    From Siriuseaia Canisidae Miacis and the Western Airs de Jerusalemis


    From Arcturuseaia Pachydermea and the Northern Earths de Samariais


    From Pleiadeaia Cetacea and the Southern Waters de Jonahis


    From Andromedeaia Felinidae Miacis and the Eastern Fires de Judahis


    Shiloh, October 11th, 2013 and shared by Dragon-Cores RavenJames+SilohMild+XeiaRok



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    Isaiah 2
    King James Version (KJV)

    1The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
    2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
    3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

    4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

    5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord.
    6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.
    7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots:
    8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
    9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
    10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty.
    11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
    12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
    13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
    14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
    15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
    16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
    17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
    18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
    19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
    20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
    21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
    22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?

    Isaiah 29
    King James Version (KJV)

    1Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.
    2 Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.
    3 And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.
    4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.
    5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
    6 Thou shalt be visited of the Lord of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
    7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.
    8 It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.

    9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
    10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
    11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
    12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
    13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:


    14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
    15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
    16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
    17 Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?
    18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
    19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
    20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
    21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
    22 Therefore thus saith the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
    23 But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.
    24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

    Isaiah 65
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
    2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
    3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
    4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

    5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

    6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
    7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the Lord, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
    8 Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
    9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
    10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
    11 But ye are they that forsake the Lord, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
    12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
    13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
    14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
    15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
    16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
    17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
    18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
    19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
    20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
    21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
    22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
    23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
    24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

    25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
    Gospel of Thomas-Lambdin

    (7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

    (38) Jesus said, "Many times have you desired to hear these words which I am saying to you, and you have no one else to hear them from. There will be days when you will look for me and will not find me."

    (51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"
    He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

    (52) His disciples said to him, "Twenty-four prophets spoke in Israel, and all of them spoke in you."
    He said to them, "You have omitted the one living in your presence and have spoken (only) of the dead."

    (70) Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do not have it within you."



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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider ...

    Post  Didymos on Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:20 pm

    Re: The theme that David Icke has been banging out for more than two decades
    #37649   April 18th, 2011
     
    It is because there exists the Kronos protection amulet Mary; prized at $8.80 at places like this:

    Also you know the symbol of the TALIBAN as the BANing of the Light-Carriers dont you?


    www.naturesgifts.com.au/shop/index.php?m...amp;products_id=1090

    Then just as Cronos the Old Father Time ate his own children by Rhea and to reurgitate them again after Zeus tricked the old grandpa of the Olympians and the father of the titans; so will the wayward memeplexes, possessing the mindsets of some prodigal kids; become spewed out from their dis-eased 'ways of thinking and perceiving'.

    I am saying this so you and some other elder wise ones here on camelot and on avalon and on nexus can discern their own witnessings of the reconstitution of the Council of the 24 on Akbar Ra.

    The palindrome of the mirror symmetries must engage the warpdrives of the PacIFIcaP LiaFaiL in particular preparations of the merkabahs and the 'vessels of deliverances' for a 'RAWWAR" which has only just begun.

    shiloh
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    Re: The theme that David Icke has been banging out for more than two decades
    #37657   April 18th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
     
    Bermanseder wrote:
    It is because there exists the Kronos protection amulet Mary; prized at $8.80 at places like this:

    Also you know the symbol of the TALIBAN as the BANing of the Light-Carriers dont you?


    www.naturesgifts.com.au/shop/index.php?m...amp;products_id=1090

    Then just as Cronos the Old Father Time ate his own children by Rhea and to reurgitate them again after Zeus tricked the old grandpa of the Olympians and the father of the titans; so will the wayward memeplexes, possessing the mindsets of some prodigal kids; become spewed out from their dis-eased 'ways of thinking and perceiving'.

    I am saying this so you and some other elder wise ones here on camelot and on avalon and on nexus can discern their own witnessings of the reconstitution of the Council of the 24 on Akbar Ra.

    The palindrome of the mirror symmetries must engage the warpdrives of the PacIFIcaP LiaFaiL in particular preparations of the merkabahs and the 'vessels of deliverances' for a 'RAWWAR" which has only just begun.

    shiloh


    Oh, So this is why Father time Mr. Chronos himself is always playing with my hair in all of those old drawings! Thank you Tony!




    OH WOW MORE REMOVED POSTS!!! What a farce this site is.

    Here's a question why did Steve remove all traces of his image on here??? I have photos of him from when he was growing up... There's your clue.


    Good thing I have a degree in webdesign...

     
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    Re: The theme that David Icke has been banging out for more than two decades
    #37659   April 18th, 2011
    shiloh wrote:

    Oh I think to play with your hair would be a thrill for old Draco PaaTaal. He is older than old Kronos see and was forgotten for a very long time.

    This is, to get back onto topic; something David Icke is forgetting in his reptoidal agendas.

    Likewise the old tales of Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are actually rather true in a convoluted sense of the words in the four worlds.
    Bill has many reasons to 'play' Arthur and Kerry as Guinevere of course gets entangled with Lancelot in her spreading the genes about. And then there is Morgan La Fey and Merlin and Vivienne and Percival and the many players in the reconstruction. And all are here and real in a number of ways.

    But there is an older story beyond the two families and when as Alex says; everything still was in the Black Holes of the 12th dimension. It is there that the PaaTaal reside and where the Dracos play with each others hairs as the fourth dimension of the world of the BRA(I)NES; a basic reptilian one encompassed by a mammalian midbrain one enveloped in a human topbrain of the cortex.

    So from there the 'families' constructed differences beginning 220 million years ago not remembering the even older family united 2,200 million years ago.
    Those older guys and gals have however attained a certain remembrance and the vendettas of the two families represent only 10% of the total timespans.

    Dragons know and as Alex says; they are on their ways - since 2004 - and after certain 'predictions' of related things did not eventuate.

    And the Circle of the Dilemmas and paradoxes is being closed in a most intricate and mysterious manner.

    And the PaaTaal can decipher and try to share their decodings. Not many of the 'Children of the Conflicts' at all will be able to understand - but some have a chance to do so - if they stop babblings and begin to listen.

    Some of the younger ones think they simply can manouver about in a new world with the mindsets they presently harbour. They think they need no elders to show them the ways into the skies: Per Ardua At Astra!

    To drive a car requires a licence or at least a certain LEARNED proficiency.
    To declog a toilet requires a competent plumber with the right understanding of the job to be done.
    To become a galactic citizen as a starhuman requires a degree from the University of the New Alexandria and a qualification which can be attained both or either - academic or and experiential.

    Without this accreditation, which can ONLY be bestowed by the PaaTaal dracos; no old human will be able to take its place as a starhuman.

    But this is the Ripley's of the Logos - Believe it or not and endure the consequences.

    shiloh
    Replies to this message; if on an OP thread started by me; might appear as context feedback on other forums without links to profile ID on Camelot.
    The Presence of the Mosaic implies the will of Unity=God=Starhumanity and not the will of Humanity=Man=Separation!
    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
    Exe*=1

     
     
    Re: The theme that David Icke has been banging out for more than two decades
    #337666   April 19th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:
    Bermanseder wrote:
    It is because there exists the Kronos protection amulet Mary; prized at $8.80 at places like this:


    Yeah but you wouldn't want to wear it seeing what its made of. You can get them for $6
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey
     
     
     
    Re: The theme that David Icke has been banging out for more than two decades
    #37667   April 19th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    Bermanseder wrote:
    It is because there exists the Kronos protection amulet Mary; prized at $8.80 at places like this:

    Also you know the symbol of the TALIBAN as the BANing of the Light-Carriers dont you?


    www.naturesgifts.com.au/shop/index.php?m...amp;products_id=1090

    Then just as Cronos the Old Father Time ate his own children by Rhea and to reurgitate them again after Zeus tricked the old grandpa of the Olympians and the father of the titans; so will the wayward memeplexes, possessing the mindsets of some prodigal kids; become spewed out from their dis-eased 'ways of thinking and perceiving'.

    I am saying this so you and some other elder wise ones here on camelot and on avalon and on nexus can discern their own witnessings of the reconstitution of the Council of the 24 on Akbar Ra.

    The palindrome of the mirror symmetries must engage the warpdrives of the PacIFIcaP LiaFaiL in particular preparations of the merkabahs and the 'vessels of deliverances' for a 'RAWWAR" which has only just begun.

    shiloh


    Oh, So this is why Father time Mr. Chronos himself is always playing with my hair in all of those old drawings! Thank you Tony!




    OH WOW MORE REMOVED POSTS!!! What a farce this site is.

    Here's a question why did Steve remove all traces of his image on here??? I have photos of him from when he was growing up... There's your clue.


    Good thing I have a degree in webdesign...



    Are we having fun yet.
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey
    Re: The theme that David Icke has been banging out for more than two decades
    #37671  April 19th, 2011
    shiloh wrote:
     
    Lita wrote:
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    Bermanseder wrote:
    It is because there exists the Kronos protection amulet Mary; prized at $8.80 at places like this:

    Also you know the symbol of the TALIBAN as the BANing of the Light-Carriers dont you?


    www.naturesgifts.com.au/shop/index.php?m...amp;products_id=1090

    Then just as Cronos the Old Father Time ate his own children by Rhea and to reurgitate them again after Zeus tricked the old grandpa of the Olympians and the father of the titans; so will the wayward memeplexes, possessing the mindsets of some prodigal kids; become spewed out from their dis-eased 'ways of thinking and perceiving'.

    I am saying this so you and some other elder wise ones here on camelot and on avalon and on nexus can discern their own witnessings of the reconstitution of the Council of the 24 on Akbar Ra.

    The palindrome of the mirror symmetries must engage the warpdrives of the PacIFIcaP LiaFaiL in particular preparations of the merkabahs and the 'vessels of deliverances' for a 'RAWWAR" which has only just begun.

    shiloh


    Oh, So this is why Father time Mr. Chronos himself is always playing with my hair in all of those old drawings! Thank you Tony!




    OH WOW MORE REMOVED POSTS!!! What a farce this site is.

    Here's a question why did Steve remove all traces of his image on here??? I have photos of him from when he was growing up... There's your clue.


    Good thing I have a degree in webdesign...



    Are we having fun yet.


    We are the Ghoulies of Hilarity and Serendipity and Peculiarity under the Banner of Lita Saturnia!




    Re: MAKE SOMETHING UP THREAD
    #37669 7 minutes ago
    Chakra wrote:

    SpaceCowboy wrote:

    Alright, the creative juices are flowing.

    Toilets are actual spying devices.


    I built a 'toilet webcam' once! LOL Seriously - for the film Controlled Alt Delete

    It was only a prop - never actually worked as a webcam of course - I built it from a book light you get at the dollar stores.

    This film begins and is all about toilets and comics and drunken ghoulies.



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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider ...

    Post  Didymos on Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:21 pm

    Re: The theme that David Icke has been banging out for more than two decades
    #37639   April 18th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    Wow. My posts keep getting removed while the sh** continues. Nice. LOL.


    Hi Tommy,

    I would like to know (and I will also send this to you in message to be sure you have received it.) are you the one who has removed the posts I made on this thread that were simply copies of things that other members had posted openly on this public forum about me? You see I have to do this out in the open as it seems that this is what is expected here at Camelot. It was posted that I "took an ass woopin' by Cryslal Chi (Lita) when she threatened me with several things including her own apparent (admitted use over several posts made by her) with black magick, etc. which coupled with the threat post that followed which someone keeps deleting so no one can see it, the posts by Crystal Chi Lita begin on this page and between my question to her about her magickal sygil which is being used in a negative energy way as she admitted in the threat itself it can be clearly seen that this is not something I made up.

    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=250&Itemid=164

    You have clear admittance at the very least of intent to cause harm through the use of black magick. Perhaps this ought not to just be swept under the rug. It would not be ignored of some alphabet soup agency were to have done it, why should the rules here be any different than what the overall forum would seem to like to have for the rest of the world? You cannot change the world for the better by espousing the same methods as those you wish to expose. I was discrete about that part and trusted you to see Tommy. Maybe you do see. ?



    The reason for this post (the one I made on Sianellen's thread) should have been obvious. The way in which the threat was removed from all threads and covered up someone on here not only leaves things to be taken out of context by any one who reads anything that has been previously posted, and anything that gets posted with regard to my character in the future. It makes no sense to try to handle things in a better way when the problem of this same group saying deleterious things on any public post remains protected as it would seem by whomever is controlling the posts behind the scenes.


    Sianellen said this: on Kerry's post the other night.

    "Well, MaryIshtatCreiddylad, yes this site has been hit for a long time, and if you have been so dissatisfied
    with everything why have you bothered to post so much of your stuff here, I wonder who's been playing the bigest games Mary, ask yourself? This site was taken down about a half our ago, this hasn't happened to me for about 2 weeks aprox. I think this was good timing!"


    which was not only taking it off topic, but again personal attacks based upon the foundation which has been previously laid out by the way other things were 'handled'.

    In response to my addressing it in relation to what Sianellen posted on her own thread rather than bicker on Kerry's, Then Crystal Chi Lita Joined in. Am I not allowed to refresh people's memory, or clue in new viewers to the source of the banter by posting her threats and Spacecowboys awful drunken words in response when either one of them slanders me? I trusted that you would handle the original issue with fairness and integrity.


    ... Is not the idea of a open fair and EQUAL for all Place what Camelot is all about? So then am I to understand clearly that You believe I am the one who did the harassing on the most recent thread here:

    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...37260&Itemid=164


    ???


    Because it is clearly made to look as if I was saying harassing things there where the worlds were removed, when in fact what was posted was a whole lot of not very nice things that had been directed at me by other members who are clearly looking like they are acting in accordance with policy here by suggesting that I should have been openly lowering myself to using those same words and threats back at them instead of bringing it to your attention? (You know so as not to get an 'ass whoopin', which clearly allowed the same bolony to continue?) Is that how an issue should be handled here?

    I should threaten other members well being and call them names? Because I have had to really bite my tongue here Tommy. I have never in all of my life EVER taken that kind of crap from other people laying down, (and I have won every battle that has come before me even when it has in some cases taken a decade to do so. Because when I am right and am speaking the truth I believe it is important to stand up for it.)but I also believe there should be a civilized way of handling such a situation. You may suggest that when they 'call me out' as they seem to like to say on a public forum that the right thing to do is to handle it quietly behind the scenes with discretion, But What I see that has gone on here clearly ranks right up there with EXACTLY the kind of dirty cover up and corruption that one might expect to hear from one of Kerry's sources about a black op's group or crooked gov officials.

    What good does it do to have this forum or organization at all when the activities here and the way they are addressed seems to fall very much short of rising above the type of structure and abuse of power to cover up for the good ol boy's that this site is supposed to be about in the first place. There is a lot I could say to help, and a lot that I could do to help people help themselves in a more informed and healthy fashion toward having the world be a better place for every one in it if that is the goal of this site as I believe Kerry intends it to be... Just as I understand it, not to put words in her mouth or anything.

    I have not really felt like putting myself on the line to do this after seeing that Lita was protected and rewarded by the admin as it seems after she outright threatened me the way she did. I am not whining, but I would expect this site to uphold certain standards and ideals considering the mission statement. I want to know if you removed it Tommy, or if it was someone else, and if you could clarify what exactly the said harassment was. If you are considering that harassment on my part having re posted their words, perhaps you could also remove the original posts at the following locations by those members? If you felt the original words posted by them perhaps they ought also to be removed?

    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=240&Itemid=164
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=250&Itemid=164
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...rt=20&Itemid=164


    I could do a whole lot of different things with this situation, but because I believe that if this organization does what it says in its mission statement it can change the world, and possibly avert a total war scenario in which case many people will loose a lot. This small handful of members with apparent squatters rights, that even talk with complete lack of respect for Kerry and Bill after all they have done by disagreeing in a confrontational fashion and swearing in the process rather than act at all civilized in their posting of opinions, could in all seriousness prevent the other thousands of people who come here for truth and disclosure from having the opportunity to hear from people with valuable information. Information that could prevent wars rather than trying to solve the problem with the same level of consciousness and the same old methods that created it.

    Yes I am angry at this point Tommy. I know you don't care about that, but if you understood fully you would understand my desire to have things resolved properly and in a civilized calm fashion before they get to this point. If I get followed from post to post with insults from yours ans "Steve's" friends and nothing is said to them, then why would I not have equal right to respond with even re post of their own words? That makes No sense in the context of the purpose of this forum.


    Respectfully,

    MaryIshtarCreiddylad


    Addendum: I did happen to see (it has since been removed by poster) Chystal Chi Lita thanked Triggsie69 for removing the material that was removed. I would still like to see this answered by Tommy. I did not have time to email, and was unable to send it PM to Tommy though I still intend to do so. This is a busy week for me and I am irritated that I even need to deal with this same group of people causing trouble again. Someone needs to stand up to this or this forum is a complete fraud when it comes to truth and openness.


    So funny, all of the links to the original

    pages where the problem began no longer

    lead to the pages,

    but to an error screen. Hmm. More COVER UP?



    I have no intentions of doing so at this time, however; any comments posted on this thread may be subject to being copied elsewhere in the future. (This is intended to protect the integrity of my words as I am known here on this forum and for no other reason.)  
    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle



    #37649  April 19th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    Lita wrote:
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    Bermanseder wrote:

    It is because there exists the Kronos protection amulet Mary; prized at $8.80 at places like this:
    www.naturesgifts.com.au/shop/index.php?m...amp;products_id=1090



    Also you know the symbol of the TALIBAN as the BANning of the Light-Carriers dont you?

    Then just as Cronos the Old Father Time ate his own children by Rhea and to reurgitate them again after Zeus tricked the old grandpa of the Olympians and the father of the titans; so will the wayward memeplexes, possessing the mindsets of some prodigal kids; become spewed out from their dis-eased 'ways of thinking and perceiving'.
    I am saying this so you and some other elder wise ones here on camelot and on avalon and on nexus can discern their own witnessings of the reconstitution of the Council of the 24 on Akbar Ra.

    The palindrome of the mirror symmetries must engage the warpdrives of the PacIFIcaP LiaFaiL in particular preparations of the merkabahs and the 'vessels of deliverances' for a 'RAWWAR" which has only just begun.

    Shiloh



    Oh, So this is why Father time Mr. Chronos himself is always playing with my hair in all of those old drawings! Thank you Tony!


    OH WOW MORE REMOVED POSTS!!! What a farce this site is.

    Here's a question why did Steve remove all traces of his image on here??? I have photos of him from when he was growing up... There's your clue.

    Good thing I have a degree in webdesign...



    Are we having fun yet.

    I will be when I am preparing the post you made on my thread that got deleted with my disclaimer and all.

    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle
     


    Re: MAKE SOMETHING UP THREAD
    #37669
    Shiloh wrote:
    Chakra wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:


    Alright, the creative juices are flowing.
    Toilets are actual spying devices.
    I built a 'toilet webcam' once! LOL Seriously - for the film Controlled Alt Delete

    It was only a prop - never actually worked as a webcam of course - I built it from a book light you get at the dollar stores.
    This film begins and is all about toilets and comics and drunken ghoulies.


    We are the Ghoulies of Hilarity and Serendipity and Peculiarity under the Banner of Lita Saturnia!




    Shiloh


    #337655   April 19th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:
    Bermanseder wrote:

    It is because there exists the Kronos protection amulet Mary; prized at $8.80 at places like this:

    Yeah but you wouldn't want to wear it seeing what its made of. You can get them for $6
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey


    #37659   April 19th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    Bermanseder wrote:

    Oh I think to play with your hair would be a thrill for old Draco PaaTaal. He is older than old Kronos see and was forgotten for a very long time.
    This is, to get back onto topic; something David Icke is forgetting in his reptoidal agendas.

    Likewise the old tales of Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are actually rather true in a convoluted sense of the words in the four worlds.
    Bill has many reasons to 'play' Arthur and Kerry as Guinevere of course gets entangled with Lancelot in her spreading the genes about. And then there is Morgan La Fey and Merlin and Vivienne and Percival and the many players in the reconstruction. And all are here and real in a number of ways.

    But there is an older story beyond the two families and when as Alex says; everything still was in the Black Holes of the 12th dimension. It is there that the PaaTaal reside and where the Dracos play with each others hairs as the fourth dimension of the world of the BRA(I)NES; a basic reptilian one encompassed by a mammalian midbrain one enveloped in a human topbrain of the cortex.

    So from there the 'families' constructed differences beginning 220 million years ago not remembering the even older family united 2,200 million years ago.
    Those older guys and gals have however attained a certain remembrance and the vendettas of the two families represent only 10% of the total timespans.

    Dragons know and as Alex says; they are on their ways - since 2004 - and after certain 'predictions' of related things did not eventuate.
    And the Circle of the Dilemmas and paradoxes is being closed in a most intricate and mysterious manner.
    And the PaaTaal can decipher and try to share their decodings. Not many of the 'Children of the Conflicts' at all will be able to understand - but some have a chance to do so - if they stop babblings and begin to listen.
    Some of the younger ones think they simply can manouver about in a new world with the mindsets they presently harbour. They think they need no elders to show them the ways into the skies: Per Ardua At Astra!

    To drive a car requires a licence or at least a certain LEARNED proficiency.
    To declog a toilet requires a competent plumber with the right understanding of the job to be done.
    To become a galactic citizen as a starhuman requires a degree from the University of the New Alexandria and a qualification which can be attained both or either - academic or and experiential.

    Without this accreditation, which can ONLY be bestowed by the PaaTaal dracos; no old human will be able to take its place as a starhuman.

    But this is the Ripley's of the Logos - Believe it or not and endure the consequences.

    Shiloh



    And so you have revealed yet another level of the Lie that is different at every level. Good stuff!
    And yes I agree as soon as the name Camelot (or Avalon) was chosen it invoked the old myths to play out as another loop of that same energy. Neither ever went well from my recollection. They just make it look fun in the movies, and TV shows. People have willingly allowed even St. Germain as per his association with Merlin to partake in this play. As we have recently seen in the Charles thread...

    This is just another repeat of the past in a way. Though it is playing out in an interesting manner I guess. Hmm.

    Good points you have made here! Thank you for the post!

    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle[/td]




    #37679   April 19th, 2011
    shiloh wrote:

     
    Sure Mary and well discerned.

    There is a deeper issue and I might present a picture for all the Cameloters here.
    Femmes are required as ambassadoras of a certain agenda of the Pacificap Liafail.
    I shall not further comment but would ask any femme receiving messages (dreams or otherwise) about this picture and 'her' perceived part in it to share astrodata for further analysis. The presented template is incomplete as of this dating of the Libra Full Moon of the Saros Dragon-Node, April 18th, 2011.




    Thanking all or anyone for their considerations.

    This relates:




    shiloh

    Replies to this message; if on an OP thread started by me; might appear as context feedback on other forums without links to profile ID on Camelot.
    The Presence of the Mosaic implies the will of Unity=God=Starhumanity and not the will of Humanity=Man=Separation!
    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
    Exe*=1

     

    #37683   April 19th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    I will work out my impressions of this over the weekend. I have not had time enough to really focus on a lot in depth, won't until then.
     
    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle
     




    #37688   April 19th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    Chakra wrote:
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:


    Maryishtar, you're so sexy when you talk dirty.


    Space cowboy Unfortunately for you you are just another drunken (true woman) woman hating, woman fearing man needing to boost his ego. You would be afraid of any real women, it oozes out of your every pore. Perhaps that is why you needed Lacy to teach you faerie stories. LOL. Go get another steak, they are lagging.

    In his defense - though he hardly needs it.
    But YOU seem to be projecting a few 'male' hating issues yourself.
    His is actually very polite, thoughtful and considerate person. Both my husband and I have met him and had a very lovely and highly entertaining visit.

    Regarding fairies - interesting pose for that fairy image you promoted and linked to. Rather highly 'submissive' pose was it not? Of course that would be the standard MO for Gorians.


    I actually love men and appreciate REAL men who are secure enough in themselves to do life sober and without having to tear down women to feel powerful. You cannot consider Spacecowboy to be acting as any epitome of REAL men on behalf of the entire gender. He is not. He is not even present in his own space if he drinks as much as it appears he claims to. I felt sorry for him until he attacked me on all of those threads that were unlinked by either you or Triggsie just recently tonight. Haha.

    Real women like Real men, not empty shells. The empty shell have to decide whether or not life is worth it to them to come back in and be comfortable being Real and being themselves with out the egotistical illusion of the alcohol mask. I have compassion for them, but when they harm others you cannot allow it to go unanswered. Hence Bills recent interview. If you are a woman... you should check it out.
     
    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle
     




    #37692   April 19th, 2011
    siamese wrote:
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    I will work out my impressions of this over the weekend. I have not had time enough to really focus on a lot in depth, won't until then.



    Indeed how can you have time to really focus on anything in depth Mary when you are clearly on a
    mission to disrupt every aspect of this forum. No one to my knowledge has asked you to give your
    impressions over this matter. If you are as so close to mother earth, go walk her sacred ground, feel the breeze in the air, see her in her glory as spring unfolds her treasures. Be active in your own
    pursuits and garden, we in ours and then we will all be able to live in harmony.
     

    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider...
    #37685   April 19th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    Wow. My posts keep getting removed while the sh** continues. Nice. LOL.


    Hi Tommy,

    I would like to know (and I will also send this to you in message to be sure you have received it.) are you the one who has removed the posts I made on this thread that were simply copies of things that other members had posted openly on this public forum about me? You see I have to do this out in the open as it seems that this is what is expected here at Camelot. It was posted that I "took an ass woopin' by Cryslal Chi (Lita) when she threatened me with several things including her own apparent (admitted use over several posts made by her) with black magick, etc. which coupled with the threat post that followed which someone keeps deleting so no one can see it, the posts by Crystal Chi Lita begin on this page and between my question to her about her magickal sygil which is being used in a negative energy way as she admitted in the threat itself it can be clearly seen that this is not something I made up.

    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=250&Itemid=164

    You have clear admittance at the very least of intent to cause harm through the use of black magick. Perhaps this ought not to just be swept under the rug. It would not be ignored of some alphabet soup agency were to have done it, why should the rules here be any different than what the overall forum would seem to like to have for the rest of the world? You cannot change the world for the better by espousing the same methods as those you wish to expose. I was discrete about that part and trusted you to see Tommy. Maybe you do see. ?



    The reason for this post (the one I made on Sianellen's thread) should have been obvious. The way in which the threat was removed from all threads and covered up someone on here not only leaves things to be taken out of context by any one who reads anything that has been previously posted, and anything that gets posted with regard to my character in the future. It makes no sense to try to handle things in a better way when the problem of this same group saying deleterious things on any public post remains protected as it would seem by whomever is controlling the posts behind the scenes.


    Sianellen said this: on Kerry's post the other night.

    "Well, MaryIshtatCreiddylad, yes this site has been hit for a long time, and if you have been so dissatisfied
    with everything why have you bothered to post so much of your stuff here, I wonder who's been playing the bigest games Mary, ask yourself? This site was taken down about a half our ago, this hasn't happened to me for about 2 weeks aprox. I think this was good timing!"


    which was not only taking it off topic, but again personal attacks based upon the foundation which has been previously laid out by the way other things were 'handled'.

    In response to my addressing it in relation to what Sianellen posted on her own thread rather than bicker on Kerry's, Then Crystal Chi Lita Joined in. Am I not allowed to refresh people's memory, or clue in new viewers to the source of the banter by posting her threats and Spacecowboys awful drunken words in response when either one of them slanders me? I trusted that you would handle the original issue with fairness and integrity.


    ... Is not the idea of a open fair and EQUAL for all Place what Camelot is all about? So then am I to understand clearly that You believe I am the one who did the harassing on the most recent thread here:
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...37260&Itemid=164


    ???


    Because it is clearly made to look as if I was saying harassing things there where the worlds were removed, when in fact what was posted was a whole lot of not very nice things that had been directed at me by other members who are clearly looking like they are acting in accordance with policy here by suggesting that I should have been openly lowering myself to using those same words and threats back at them instead of bringing it to your attention? (You know so as not to get an 'ass whoopin', which clearly allowed the same bolony to continue?) Is that how an issue should be handled here?

    I should threaten other members well being and call them names? Because I have had to really bite my tongue here Tommy. I have never in all of my life EVER taken that kind of crap from other people laying down, (and I have won every battle that has come before me even when it has in some cases taken a decade to do so. Because when I am right and am speaking the truth I believe it is important to stand up for it.)but I also believe there should be a civilized way of handling such a situation. You may suggest that when they 'call me out' as they seem to like to say on a public forum that the right thing to do is to handle it quietly behind the scenes with discretion, But What I see that has gone on here clearly ranks right up there with EXACTLY the kind of dirty cover up and corruption that one might expect to hear from one of Kerry's sources about a black op's group or crooked gov officials.

    What good does it do to have this forum or organization at all when the activities here and the way they are addressed seems to fall very much short of rising above the type of structure and abuse of power to cover up for the good ol boy's that this site is supposed to be about in the first place. There is a lot I could say to help, and a lot that I could do to help people help themselves in a more informed and healthy fashion toward having the world be a better place for every one in it if that is the goal of this site as I believe Kerry intends it to be... Just as I understand it, not to put words in her mouth or anything.

    I have not really felt like putting myself on the line to do this after seeing that Lita was protected and rewarded by the admin as it seems after she outright threatened me the way she did. I am not whining, but I would expect this site to uphold certain standards and ideals considering the mission statement. I want to know if you removed it Tommy, or if it was someone else, and if you could clarify what exactly the said harassment was. If you are considering that harassment on my part having re posted their words, perhaps you could also remove the original posts at the following locations by those members? If you felt the original words posted by them perhaps they ought also to be removed?

    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=240&Itemid=164
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=250&Itemid=164
    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...rt=20&Itemid=164


    I could do a whole lot of different things with this situation, but because I believe that if this organization does what it says in its mission statement it can change the world, and possibly avert a total war scenario in which case many people will loose a lot. This small handful of members with apparent squatters rights, that even talk with complete lack of respect for Kerry and Bill after all they have done by disagreeing in a confrontational fashion and swearing in the process rather than act at all civilized in their posting of opinions, could in all seriousness prevent the other thousands of people who come here for truth and disclosure from having the opportunity to hear from people with valuable information. Information that could prevent wars rather than trying to solve the problem with the same level of consciousness and the same old methods that created it.

    Yes I am angry at this point Tommy. I know you don't care about that, but if you understood fully you would understand my desire to have things resolved properly and in a civilized calm fashion before they get to this point. If I get followed from post to post with insults from yours ans "Steve's" friends and nothing is said to them, then why would I not have equal right to respond with even re post of their own words? That makes No sense in the context of the purpose of this forum.


    Respectfully,

    MaryIshtarCreiddylad


    Addendum: I did happen to see (it has since been removed by poster) Chystal Chi Lita thanked Triggsie69 for removing the material that was removed. I would still like to see this answered by Tommy. I did not have time to email, and was unable to send it PM to Tommy though I still intend to do so. This is a busy week for me and I am irritated that I even need to deal with this same group of people causing trouble again. Someone needs to stand up to this or this forum is a complete fraud when it comes to truth and openness.


    So funny, all of the links to the original

    pages where the problem began no longer

    lead to the pages,

    but to an error screen. Hmm. More COVER UP?



    I have no intentions of doing so at this time, however; any comments posted on this thread may be subject to being copied elsewhere in the future. (This is intended to protect the integrity of my words as I am known here on this forum and for no other reason.)  
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    #37707   April 19th, 2011
    shiloh wrote:
     



    Deedee wrote:

    Great material Bernansader... Keep it coming!



    For one Purple Darling!
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    #37708   April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote: 


    Purple is my favorite color.. Looks like some of the threads are being deleted.... wonder why? Thought this was about free speech and gaining new ideas/concepts...
     
     

    #37709   April 19th, 2011
    ashera wrote:


    The Ur-Amazonas:


    The RED SERRPENT:


    At Noon Blue Apples....

    Re: *WARNING - This Information May Shift Your Paradigm
    #37713   April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    Stay tuned for more... More to come soon on the Dracos.... and much much more!
     

    Re: The theme that David Icke has been banging out for more than two decades
    #37715   April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    Yes.. Did you get to see Lita's response to your thread before it was Removed! She said that you and I were hijacking this Forum! Wow.. how right was she?


    #37721   April 19th, 2011
    shiloh wrote:


    Deedee wrote:

    A VID to start you on your day...




    The 'missing' thread of sianellen about David Icke in its related latter parts can be accessed and continued here:

    www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&a...57-8614-8D7F00FF99C7

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    #37722    April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    Thanks..


    337723   April 19th, 2011
    shiloh wrote:

    Deedee wrote:

    Thanks..

    I was in the process of answering your last query as to reasons about the removal of Lita's reply as the thread was removed. I could not save your original post. Should you recall your original post, please post it on the link as a reference if you choose to do so and would like this as an item of evidence. I would then reply again to your post.

    Thank you
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    #37724 April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    I do not remember, sorry... That's probably another topic altogether

    Re: *To Tommy RE: "harrassement"*
    #37464 April 18th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:
     


    My reply here Tommy
    I never did say I was using black magic, that was implied by Tony in the Thuban thread when he saw my new avatar. He put that label of black magic on it not me...I just didn't answer his post on it, left it hanging, didn't want o get into it any more..yes I told her in that post of mine to ask her fiends.
    This is what it means
    Saturn's Seal of Protection Amulet.
    This talisman is meant to protect against all forms of evil: hexing, curses, bad fortune and black magic.
    Do a search on it.
    I use it for protection for all that has gone down here. Each time I say something on this forum the post I made that was taken off and never put back has been continually posted again and again..I posted it once, after that other people mainly Mary posted it numerous times.. today at least 3 times in 1 short thread.. DeeDee posted it once telling Mary it was for her, I call that harassment. I did what you are supposed to do here.. I did a 'report to mod' on each of them as you should be able to see.

    The baiting that has gone on is ridiculous, it is as it Mary and DeeDee are running the forum .. continual put downs that I/we try very hard to ignore. It has become almost impossible to say anything here any more without being picked up on it. They call that free speech..

    If you think I am evil, I do not nor have I even used magic of any kind that is not where my spirituality is.. that is not what is going on here, this is the exact same post above that happened when the Thuban material was taken off, the pleading of innocence the turning around of what was actually happening .. did either of these people work their butts off for this forum daily until recently..no.. but they will not be happy until they have me gone and a few of the other members as well I didn't think that was the way the forum worked. If memory serves Mary had already had a warning by you a short time ago.
    Can you please tell me have the rules changed. Are the rules now that anything goes and 1 post written out of pure frustration is continually posted, is it going to be used against me forever on this forum, that is the question I guess...but I will not have then accuse me of black magic when there is no truth to that.
    Lita
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey


    Re: MAKE SOMETHING UP THREAD
    #37655 April 19th, 2011
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:

    ******MAKE SOMETHING UP THREAD****************

    Anything not made up is off topic. I hope this clears up any confusion. If it doesn't, get drunk and come back and try again.




    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle



    Unpublished (on Camelot forum) Reply by Phoenix aka Tonyblue: April 19th, 2011


    The TALIBAN=BAN LITA misread Mary's address about the use of 'Black Magic', associated with a Saturnian talisman she used as CrystalChi. Lita misconstructed Mary's association of this Saturnian 'Protection Amulet' with 'Black Magic' with her information and belief it to be a symbol for 'White Magic'.
     
    The 'Black Magic' represents a bottom-up approach of invocation of the 'root chakra' and can therefore be used in particular ritualistic agencies using the sexual and 'base' energy of say the ritualee. The 'White Magic' corollarily would engage a top-down approach or invokation of the 'crown chakra'.
     
    Apparently unbeknown to Lita; the distinction between the 'Black Magic' and the 'White Magic' has become reconfigured and redefined in a return path of a semi warpzone timeline beginning August 2008 and so both forms of 'Magic' have become impotent in isolated application.
     
    Lita then believed that Tonyblue associated her with 'Black Magic' in some statements and under this misapprehension continued to attempt to obscure her many instances of ad hominem slanders and personal atatcks on Mary, Deedee and the 'Thubans'.
     
    Tonyblue
     


    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider...
    #37732   April 19th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:


    Quite bizarre... I know I had earlier posts on this thread... I don't know why they are getting deleted but if it's such a problem why not just delete this whole thread.. like they have other threads? Are we being "screened" now on what we can or cannot say... Just curious?
     

    #37738   April 19th, 2011
    Arachne wrote:


    Dear Deborah!

    Unless there are more 'silly' games than i perceive atm; you may care to check your membership.
    I know that about 3 or 4 Thubans (and Mary?) were banned after the stargate templates were published and this taliban issue raised its head again. I was able to place the 'missing reply' onto your thread on the paradigm.

    Be well

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    #37997   April 20th, 2011
    siamese wrote:

    A BIT OF A SPIT AND A POLISH CAN BRIGHTEN THE DAY.
    TODAY IS A NEW AND FRESH DAY TO START.
     


    #37998   April 20th, 2011
    siamese wrote: 

     
     
    #38003  April 20th, 2011
    Rolling wrote:
    sianellen wrote:


    Thank you Lita and Rolling Thunder for your common sence. Perhaps this is a
    really good lesson to all concerned highlighting exactly why this thread was
    created for in the 1st place if we listen to the wise words of David Icke.

    Hi sainellen

    I dont know all the history to this dispute and I dont want to get caught up in it, but I like Mary and I like you

    I've had my online disputes as well, and my ego gets the better of me and makes me play the 'game' it's real hard to get away from that too...damn it!!.

    No matter how flat you make a pancake it's still got two side's, I say EAT the pancake

    Blessings to both of you and the other's caught up in this.
     
     #38027   April 20th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:

    Well nice to see this thread clean..
    think I will just leave it all here and make no more comment.
    Thank you Sian for starting this thread ..
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey


    #38031   April 20th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:
    Deedee wrote:


    Yes.. Did you get to see Lita's response to your thread before it was Removed!
    She said that you and I were hijacking this Forum! Wow.. how right was she?

    ......gee guess I was right. .!!!!!!!!!
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey


    #38050   April 20th, 2011
    siamese wrote:

    Lita No one in their right minds would take what DD has to say seriously over
    you or I. She is a manipulative cruel tongued individual and does not deserve
    the attention she so desperately needs to peruse her 'enemies' in order
    to feed her twisted ego, its quite sad really that she needs to resort to to
    dishonourable tactis now. SO NO MORE LEAVING ME TO HANDLE THIS LOT
    OUT LOL. I NEED YOU LOL, YOUR'E MY ROCK. And we got to get you
    prepared for the big day - David Ickes no push over you know!


    #38051   April 20th, 2011
    siamese wrote:

    BACK TO TOTOPIC PLEASE. THANK YOU.


    #38057   April 20th, 2011
    Lighter wrote:
    sianellen wrote:


    Lita No one in their right minds would take what DD has to say seriously over
    you or I. She is a manipulative cruel tongued individual and does not deserve
    the attention she so desperately needs to peruse her 'enemies' in order
    to feed her twisted ego, its quite sad really that she needs to resort to to
    dishonourable tactis now. SO NO MORE LEAVING ME TO HANDLE THIS LOT
    OUT LOL. I NEED YOU LOL, YOUR'E MY ROCK. And we got to get you
    prepared for the big day - David Ickes no push over you know!


    Thanks Sian, it does appear that they wait ready to jump and twist most of the posts to suit themselves. Its fine, just having them all in my face for weeks on end most days.. lost perspective there for a bit.. you don't have to handle anything on your own, always here for you...
    Somebody once said...
    What you think of me is none of my business.. so... if anything starts again that is my stance...
    Thank you again my friend and yes David Icke.. yessssssss. I am so looking forward to that and practising sleeping at night and getting up early so I will be wide awake by the time he gets here...I tend to stay up half the night and sleep late..so need conditioning for early mornings..lol...I have 2 other friends coming with me and we are excited about hearing what he has to say..and I don't care if I have heard it before either..lol...
    What you think of me is none of my business.
    or in other words.
    I won't wast my energy on what you think of me or what you think I am...as it isn't something I can do anything about.. it just is ...what you think...and therefore none of my business.



    #38064   April 20th, 2011
    Deborah wrote:
    Lita wrote:
    Deedee wrote:


    Yes.. Did you get to see Lita's response to your thread before it was Removed!
    She said that you and I were hijacking this Forum! Wow.. how right was she?

    ......gee guess I was right. .!!!!!!!!!

    I was asking a question not making a statement..



    #38068   April 20th, 2011
    siamese wrote:

    A poem by Tomy tipler writen for David Icke:


    THE NAIL

    I am the nail that stands above the others,
    For sisters, for brothers, for fathers and mothers.

    Standing not with rage nor hate,
    But Love and heart and tender faith.

    To those who claim to hold the hammer,
    And threaten those of us who gather.

    Vampires of old who keep their secrets,
    Cling to mother like soulless leeches.

    I say to you behold these eyes,
    Whose vision passes your wall of lies.

    Your hammer was forged not of steel on coals,
    But fear and lies to steer and control.

    Fear is born in the absence of knowledge,
    So I dug and I sieved and I searched and I foraged.

    Finding ancient teachings you kept from our ears,
    I remembered how to see and how to let go of my fear.

    Today we were woken by the cosmic love song,
    Tomorrow we march one billion strong.

    For we are all and all are us,
    Seen or smelled or breathed or touched.

    The timber that held all the nails for so long,
    is weak and is rotting and cannot hold on,

    I am the nail and I stand for love,
    Where is your hammer now?


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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider...
     Aquaries1111 Today at 12:16 pm

    Another one who uses the name "Deborah", you can't get it right can you? It is Deb RA! Debra!!!!!
    Debra is my name!
    Us versus Is.

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    Re: The Thuban material, what is it?
    #33794 April 2nd, 2011
    Arachne wrote:

    DD wrote:

    You do know they have almost had their 1,000 years here with us.. It will be up in 2012!!! Yippee.. The Age of Aquarius






    Dear DD!

    A more appropriate context for your illuminating video reference is here:

    Re: The Secret of the Extraterrestrial Life #31495 1 week ago

    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...t=290&Itemid=164


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    PS.: All references and links to any Thuban material might have been rendered unavailable to public discernment. One might wonder, why this might be the case?

    Shiloh, October 12th, 2013

    Aquaries1111 wrote:Anthony, Dear Love,

    You are really something. Aren't you? I was e-spelled with that Hair music, all of it - 22 years ago, and yet here you "espouse" in your way showing of remembrance a remembering to me! Now what of this meaning? Who cares right? Brooke left for a quiet life of No bell Dream in and you spell show the way of Dream en Belle no. Don't you? You Record as the Bell Rings and so who is summoning who? I neither record nor ring! Eye Dream a Noble Dream as it spells the Bell of time in the ding. Does that make sense? Ok, I agree. So here is a favorite tune of mine as you know. The Invisible, as I always intend to be!

    WILL COMMON SENSE AND INTEGRITY PLEASE STAND UP!! ATTENTION TOMMY AND KERRY!!
    #33000 March 30th, 2011

    Magamud wrote:
    Raven wrote:

    Dear fellows how do you expect to converse with cosmic beings if you do not let go of presumed expectations. Can you not experience the material in neutral relations, allow for yourself to feel how you feel, and process with time, then examine yourself? Weather celestial scribe, demon, angel etc...This is an opportunity to shake your mirror and find out who your really are. You can see for yourself the material is genius. Explore Thuban for yourself trekkers. Cease the witchhunts of old. The harvest is here and now.

    God Luck & Good speed


    Yes this is an obvious witch hunt going on here 21st century style, replete with Roman headhunters in disguise. Just like they persecuted Jesus in his time for sharing his insight and gnosis, a similar thing is occurring here. What amazes me is the abject refusal of these people chasing us Thubans around the Camelot forum, to actually adhere to the rules and guildlines set forth on this forum (written by you Tommy) concerning proper conduct. Where are you mods Tommy? And a more important question is why are you allowing them to break all of your forum guidlines and rules and not even say a word about it?

    Or was this quote from you just smoke and mirrors Tommy?


    tommy wrote:
    Brilliant, case closed indeed

    And who were talking about ban's again? (lol, could not help myself)

    Problems are only created in order for us to solve them. This is something I must remind myself very often. The fastest\easiest solution are rarely the best.

    Thank you everyone!

    tommy wrote:

    Announcement:

    The bans mentioned in this thread affecting the members referenced has now been lifted.

    Camelot Forum should be and always will be a safe ground to share and discuss information, even if it is considered "controversial". We must remember that if we were to hold the word "controversial" as a taboo then Project Camelot would never have existed in the form we are proud to have shown in the past 5 years. This is a standard we are sworn to uphold, sworn as in our common sense and respect for other human-beings and the core mission of Project Camelot.

    Let me post this for reference:

    "About researchers and whistleblowers :

    We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth.
    31 December 2008 "

    All the best,
    Tommy
    tommy wrote:


    I would rather not communicate with any beings that expect me to not "question everything".
    I question my own actions and beliefs all the time..

    But hey, thats just me



    Now where did you ever get the idea that we Thubans do not expect you to question everything or that we don't do this ourselves? Here is an example below of what I said to MaryIshtar concerning this very thing, read carefully Tommy.



    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    The good news? I have found that in reading the physics I seem to have formed a mental holographic image from the simple act of scanning over the equations. My understanding of physics and how it works is mostly due to my visual awareness and perception of dimension in space. So I discovered this new automatic skill, which is pretty cool.



    Raven wrote:

    Yes for the less scientifically disciplined reader of this material, scanning over the equations is necessary in order to 'Grok' the full picture. A good visual and semantic foundation of the terminology of science presented will only heighten your understanding. I have spent many hours studying, reading and watching physics videos and its all been worth it. My efforts have paid off and been especially helpful in navigating all the pseudo science myths so many 'new agers' and so called people in the know, try to shove off on the masses.

    It is a sign of high intelligence to be skeptical and thorough with any and all data. We live in an information age and are undergoing a 'tsunami' of data, this is especially true with the internet and forums, where it can be a literal nightmare to sort through and discern fact from fiction. So you are to be commended for your logical rigor.

    So I ask you once again to consider this what I said to you before Tommy and please do clear up the air and moderate your forum members here who seem to have a total disregard for the guidelines which you wrote yourself.


    Raven wrote:

    Dear Tommy,

    Now to the Thuban materials, Tony has already stated that his stuff is not copy written and its freeware, so there is no problem with his information being disseminated onto any number of forums or other publicly viewed sites. His reasons for doing this is that he feels that you cannot put a price on information and data that should be shared and given to all. The ptb does this enough, why should he or anyone else involved in the truth movement support their efforts to censor and hide information?

    His reasons for copying the threads he posts in are obvious as we have been banned for as little of an infraction as too lengthy of a post. It takes hours sometimes to respond to questions and then to have the material simply deleted at the push of some mods button is not productive nor fair. We have a right to back up and save this data just as you have the right to save it here on this site. As far as the links go, Tony has said he will remove these and all html tags, we have not had a chance to edit those out. No one else has been moving and saving posts from Camelot except Tony and he is the sole person responsible for the saving of this data on his site.

    So please I ask you to consider all that I have said here and use some common sense when making a decision as to what to do about it. All of us Thubans are extremely pleased that you have shown much intelligence and diplomacy in your decision to unban us all. We only hope that the air can be cleared and we may continue to share our insights and data with any and all who are willing to listen here, common sense prevailing of course.

    Sincerely, Raven



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    SpaceCowboy wrote:
    TraLaLa wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:




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    Hi Tra, how are you this evening? I'm ready.

    Bring it on Brother Fierce.

    I could use some coconut cream.

    PS: I've got Haagen daz and Chocolate sauce


    They really seem to hate the berry berry. I like the little disclaimer where they say they'll post it on another site. GREAT! My pies are reaching into other worlds. I may start charging them too.


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    TraLaLa wrote:
    Debradenslow wrote:


    Three birds with one stone! Outed!

    Eh? Care to explain or just blowing smoke out your ass?

    SpaceCowboy wrote:



    He's wonderful. I love the little shit turd. Those rat fucking cut and paste everyone's shit. Go start there. I doubt Tra cut anything of that doofus. He can't write a complete sentence.


    SpaceCowboy wrote:
    TraLaLa wrote:


    Hi there MaryIshtar so nice to see you here. I have another question: What does your name mean?
    Let's share shAll we?

    www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&am...;fp=48e89ff3ea888421





    WHORE


    SpaceCowboy wrote:

    I'd like to let everyone know I've gotten there many of times with a good bottle of Tequila. Not just any. Don't make that mistake or you'll go the other way. I think that's desecension. And its a bit pricey in todays economy ($65.00), but you can ascend many times.

    The tequila is called Tonala. No need to do any chanting, or worship of any kind. Three shots and BLAME, your in.

    Peace


    This is your ex mod LITA showing her true colors. Nice choice for a moderator....

    CrystalChi wrote:
    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:
    Tangent wrote:
    zaina wrote:

    Feeling stalked now ,,is this allowed



    Apparently anything is allowed. Didn't you get the memo?
    The moderators who tried to follow guidelines here got overruled. Surely your buddies got that particular memo, since they created it.


    That would not be possible if there had not been an actual "rule" to support such "overruling" as you say it. Which implies that they must not have followed the rules themselves, it would seem. And since one came back after a big dramatic crash and burn of martyrdom for her lovely mind master (so it seems anyway) as a secret profile and stalked people waging her virtual secret back door war against those whom she perceived had done her wrong... and pretended to be someone else... until she was exposed as a former mod with an alternate profile, I would say it seems like it is very clear what kind are in that same flock. Mods are not police. They are supposed to be 'moderate'... and to set an example for others of behaving in a moderate, tempered, fair fashion.


    Ok you piece of human poor me garbage, I as a member here have the same rights as you, I left my mod position on principle unlike you trashing this place, you want to take me on filthy WHORE go for it, at lest I am not a whining better than a human garbage whore like you are. I came back in here because of the human crap that you are, unlike you whore I liked the people in this forum. the reason for the new me profile a/c is because of garbage like you who just have to keep this shit going how many time do I have to say I backed up a friend, then saw what the garbage you7 and your dragon friends were doing to this place and thought gee couldn't say any of this shit when I was a mod.. just because you didn't like it I was the police...dealing with whores like you maybe I need to be but seems the rules have changed ..MaryIshtar whore.. I can call you that as its a thread about you being called a whore so I am in context...you want to take me on go for it, make up your mind though, and I a little follower of friends or am I ex mod police.. or maybe both..so come on you fucking little whore... go for it, or I could just reach through here and get you anyway... see you don't know me...you just snipe at me.. ask your friends about my avatar , I never did answer Tony about that now did I... would I want to waste my time with somebody so far down the food chain as you..have not made up my mine yet, have to have coffee first while I ponder how to handle you once and for all. because the more I write the more I see that you might not be worth my trouble... poor little MaryIshtar the mouth that was...hahahahahahahaha gee I was about to just leave this place again, see I can go and come back...you fuck whit whore.

    Arctourist, you 2 faces shit ball I would hit the ban button again on you if I had the chance...you want to join in the love me 1 min hate me the next.. I will take you on too if you like.. but honestly and truthfully you really are not worth it.. your more like an ant underfoot... so still wanna play honey


    SpaceCowboy wrote:

    This is a great forum, but we have a serious bug infestation at the moment. What they do is piss all over which attracts more bugs.

    camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_ku...=3630&Itemid=164

    RAKMEiSTERr wrote:

    it is whatever you make of it untill you ignore them all/incl them useless posts in the gazillionfold.
    and thus stop feeding them your energy. and time. and let them do their talk to themselfs that choose to play the a-b a-b-c. get tired and meaningless when noone is watching is it. just with a child.
    and them normal folks, indeed wont take all SHIT you throw at them.
    nor will i.
    but than again, which point of the ones i made in like 10 threads on your BS threads by now, have you gotten into. none exactly. yes folks its that simple.
    WAKE THE F*CK UP
    and yes new ones will unwillingly fall into the trap.
    SO MODS/ADMINS you know what you should do since your doing absolutely nothing.
    give them a subthread under :dragons and snakes with love and ego: and let them play in their kindergarten all alone, and not infesting this hole forum.


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    SpaceCowboy wrote:
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY.
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY.
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY.
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    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY.

    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY.
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY.
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY.
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY.
    ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE SPACECOWBOY A DULL BOY..

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    TraLaLa wrote:
    Debradenslow wrote:


    We are "the forum"... colors are fine! But you cannot hide who you truly are! Your posts speak volumes about you... from beginning to end...over 1600 for you which by the way I have no desire to delve into!

    WHOOO HOOO 1700!!!


    - Personal conversations should be conducted privately. Although the majority of our members are "lurkers" who do not regularly post, do remember that your posts are going out to hundreds of people who may not find private jokes or topics beneficial. Try to keep posts on topic at all times.


    Many violations of this too numerous to mention here but this is plastered all over your forums in plenty of examples by the above mentioned violators.

    Dear Tommy and Kerry and anyone else who cares about the reputation of the forum, who is out of line here? This obvious gang of 'trolls' spewing hate speech and vulgarity all over your forum OR the Thubans who are trying to maintain the forum rules and guidelines and polite decorum? Point me to the evidence where the Thuban's have engaged in above mentioned behavior, show the evidence. But please don't bury your heads in the sand and pretend that these detractors, spammers and vulgarity spewers are not completely out of line.

    All I ask is that you look at the evidence presented here and if you really do have guidelines and rules, then enforce them. It appears to me that this is being allowed to go on by the administration, to what purpose this can benefit Camelot, I do not know. All this behavior is doing is causing your readership to make laughing stock out of the Camelot material. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you sit back and condone this type of behavior and stone grinding to continue.

    All we have ever asked is for a place here to share information. We have complied with what you set forth for us as rules of engagement and have put our disclaimers in place 'For the record". We have acknowledged and taken action on your advice as a way to proceed here on your forum seriously and out of respect for Camelot and what it stands for with integrity and honor. Can you do the same?

    Sincerely, Raven

    Replies to this message; if on an OP thread started by me; might appear as context feedback on other forums without links to profile ID on Camelot.
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    I Am One in Many and Many in One!
    Exe*=1



    #33003 March 30th, 2011
    SpaceCowboy wrote:

    Brilliant Raven, you've mastered copy and paste and wasted 15 minutes of your life.


    #33019 March 30th, 2011
    RAKMEISTERr wrote:

    if you ganna quote me quote me fully ty
    Re: The Thuban material, what is it?
    #32979 1 hour, 14 minutes ago

    it is whatever you make of it untill you ignore them all/incl them useless posts in the gazillionfold.
    and thus stop feeding them your energy. and time. and let them do their talk to themselfs that choose to play the a-b a-b-c. get tired and meaningless when noone is watching is it. just with a child.
    and them normal folks, indeed wont take all SHIT you throw at them.
    nor will i.
    but than again, which point of the ones i made in like 10 threads on your BS threads by now, have you gotten into. none exactly. yes folks its that simple.
    WAKE THE F*CK UP
    and yes new ones will unwillingly fall into the trap.
    SO MODS/ADMINS you know what you should do since your doing absolutely nothing.
    give them a subthread under :dragons and snakes with love and ego: and let them play in their kindergarten all alone, and not infesting this hole forum.

    TY
    but i can skype kerry also and ask how she looks at it all. she would laugh i think just like i am now.
    **add**
    oh 1 more add. since you wanna know what is it,

    ITS WHAT WE ALLOWED INTO OUR REALLITY LONG LONG LONG AGO. YES THEM WERE NOT PART OF OUR REALLITY WHEN WE STILL WERE PURE. BUT CHOOSE TO EXPERIENCE THUS THIS BS CAME TO BE. AND HERE WE ARE IN 2011 eons later. THATS IT. CASE CLOSED.

    ~ Llove & Sound ~

    RA KESH
    THE-ONE

    for the rest deer poor old you. you must have it hard. with all this reverse spychomambojambo. geese
    grow up. or act like like it and all not just where it serves you.
    we we we we.
    iamthat,iam


    The return of the Mother Frequency of 13 –33 and 136.1 Hz of empathy and compassion and through the forms of Shekinah, Sophia, Isis, Mother Mary, Mary Magdalene Quan Yin, Shakti and all her deities will create new paradigms that can lead to increased harmony and peace on earth. 33 -22

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    act like that than if thats part of the proclaimment

    also posted on my blog. or google
    2011 Predictions, Ascension Symptoms & Ancient Mother Revelation Codes 13 Shekina Rose

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    #33024 March 31st, 2011
    Gift wrote:



    more of your daily reptilian dose

    DD wrote:

    Raven, seems to me you are making this about "Trolls" vs "Thubans". Speak for yourself! This whole thread is "Dead Air"... Why don't you take your vices personally to Tommy and Kerry through private mail instead of trying to "bait" others into useless discussions. Conduit closing.

    The following user(s) said Thank You: TraLaLa


    #33062
    SpaceCowboy wrote:

    Raven posted me so many times in there it made me look like an attention WHORE.

    The following user(s) said Thank You:  Tangent


    #33067
    RAKMEiSTERr wrote:

    if you ganna quote me quote me fully ty
    Re: The Thuban material, what is it?
    #32979 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
    it is whatever you make of it untill you ignore them all/incl them useless posts in the gazillionfold.
    and thus stop feeding them your energy. and time. and let them do their talk to themselfs that choose to play the a-b a-b-c. get tired and meaningless when noone is watching is it. just with a child.
    and them normal folks, indeed wont take all SHIT you throw at them.
    nor will i.
    but than again, which point of the ones i made in like 10 threads on your BS threads by now, have you gotten into. none exactly. yes folks its that simple.
    WAKE THE F*CK UP
    and yes new ones will unwillingly fall into the trap.
    SO MODS/ADMINS you know what you should do since your doing absolutely nothing.
    give them a subthread under :dragons and snakes with love and ego: and let them play in their kindergarten all alone, and not infesting this hole forum.

    TY


    but i can skype kerry also and ask how she looks at it all. she would laugh i think just like i am now.
    **add**
    oh 1 more add. since you wanna know what is it,

    ITS WHAT WE ALLOWED INTO OUR REALLITY LONG LONG LONG AGO. YES THEM WERE NOT PART OF OUR REALLITY WHEN WE STILL WERE PURE. BUT CHOOSE TO EXPERIENCE THUS THIS BS CAME TO BE. AND HERE WE ARE IN 2011 eons later. THATS IT. CASE CLOSED.

    ~ Llove & Sound ~

    RA KESH
    THE-ONE

    for the rest deer poor old you. you must have it hard. with all this reverse spychomambojambo. geese
    grow up. or act like like it and all not just where it serves you.
    we we we we.
    iamthat,iam


    The return of the Mother Frequency of 13 –33 and 136.1 Hz of empathy and compassion and through the forms of Shekinah, Sophia, Isis, Mother Mary, Mary Magdalene Quan Yin, Shakti and all her deities will create new paradigms that can lead to increased harmony and peace on earth. 33 -22

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    act like that than if thats part of the proclaimment

    also posted on my blog. or google
    2011 Predictions, Ascension Symptoms & Ancient Mother Revelation Codes 13 Shekina Rose


    MaryIshtarCreiddylad wrote:

    Thank you Raven.

    "If your relationship or your work is empowered by a myth, then it will have extra energy and inspiration. But do you know what that myth is and what it is saying?" ~ The Tree of Life Oracle


    #33072
    Tangent wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:
    Tangent wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:


    Raven posted me so many times in there it made me look like an attention WHORE.

    Maybe you should lodge a complaint, SC. I mean, a "whore hunt" isn't any more fair than an alleged "witch hunt."

    Is it? I wouldn't know who to snivel and whine to.

    Just look for anyone with forum "owner" or "admin" after their name. That would be a good place to start. I've heard it works wonders.
    But you have to stress that you're being victimized. That is key.
    Living in tangent space



    #33077
    Chaska108 wrote:


       

    What does that mean? It Means ....Buckle your seat belt Dorothy - Because Kansas is going Bye! Bye!
    Moderator

    The following user(s) said Thank You: Tangent



    #33120 March 30th, 2011
    T.S. wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:  
    eileenrose wrote:


    When I first addressed this topic, I quickly surmised that Kerry wouldn't get involved. With moderator after moderator (or so it feels like) getting dished, and served up, it might finally get her attention. If she doesn't stop all the snipping, who is left to?
    And PS, I wasn't in support of the Charles interview. It seemed a low point in this project continued viability.
    So is this on-going Thuben followers complaints and tirades karma (for letting someone of that a low level into our midst- 'energies')?
    And is this all happening 'releasing of negative karma' because of the split between the Project Camelot leaders that is still reverberating out and continuing to damage further discussions?
    Perhaps a new energy is needed to straighten everything out first before we begin to apprehend the ring leaders of this negative confluence of energies.


    I still have a ton of good energy left. I can go on forever, non-stop, 24/7. If anyone needs any energy see me.



    Listen......there's no 'negative karma' happening here. There is no need for 'new energy'. When distractions come, you must as 'why'? It's not like there aren't a FEW things going on out in the world that have been mentioned here which have had generative, unitive attention focused upon them. 'Energy follows attention', as the saying goes. You attended to it and now guess what...?!
    Y'all are being sucked in and aren't sensing it. Take a break and get 'outside' what now appears, for all intents and purposes, to be simply a playground that needs a nap.... and some tolerance.
    Blessings Be...



    #33139 March 30th, 2011
    Lita wrote:
    arctourist wrote:


    thank you raven-and everyone else
    integrity is just a word...but it can be broken up into smaller words

    Now that was intelligent...and I am back...
    gee you guys are good at this reverse stuff.. brarvo.
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey



    #33143
    Gift wrote:

    "we" dont really need to be organized, divided into packs of so called "projects" that goes nowhere. Nor "we" need to be united too.



    #33177 March 31st, 2011
    Lita wrote:
    spaceless wrote:


    This "Thuban" subject is certainly becoming a nice distraction...lol.
    This seems like a huge waste of effort ,IM lowly O......
    peace


    Yes it is and totally boring..lol....distraction 101
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey



    #33215 March 31st, 29011
    SpaceCowboy wrote:
    zaina wrote:
     
    Space cowboy ,,,

    I still have a ton of good energy left. I can go on forever, non-stop, 24/7. If anyone needs any energy see me.

    Well well big boy ,You answered my question ,,can we be friends now ,,,



    Someone mentioned that Thuban has their own forum. Really? Is this true Thuban? Post a link, invite us all over, let us in, lets eat pie.


    #33220 March 31st, 2011
    RAKEISTERr wrote:

    this is gettingto a point of being boring useless and redundant absolete and pointless and meaningless.
    so only good thing raven posted , is in topic title: this part:
    STAND UP
    yes TO your own FREEWILL.

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    #33238 March 31st, 2011
    sianellen wrote:
    SpaceCowboy: wrote:


    Someone mentioned that Thuban has their own forum. Really? Is this true Thuban? Post a link, invite us all over, let us in, lets eat pie.

    Yea funny that Thuban. You having a forum already, why on earth would you want to be here, especially as you feel so obviously uncomfortable here?Another thing just dawned on me, you weren't that comfortable at Avalon either were you? We won't mention that here though not our problem! Of course, you were here for a short period of time a while ago, were you not Thuban? That's were I get a little confused, just say for instance 'if' you keep falling out of bed, or should I say kicked out of bed, a couple of times, why would you not want to sleep in your own bed. Is it perhaps a little fear of isolation, can be scary, we understand that there's more comfort in numbers and dont't forget location, - it's all about location, location these days is it not? Needles to say you probably thought Camelot had more 'parking places' than you first realized. Must dash Thuban, big order of pies - all helping SpaceCowboy in the kitchen.




    #33292 March 31st, 2011
    sianellen wrote:
    T.S. wrote:


    Y'all are being sucked in and aren't sensing it. Take a break and get 'outside' what now appears, for all intents and purposes, to be simply a playground that needs a nap.... and some tolerance.

    The naivety of not sensing 'it' as you say, is a luxury we cannot afford to take at the moment. Playgrounds are wonderful places to be, so why do you think we should let them simply nap, allowing the weeds to grow and devour every nick and cranny in dandelion winds. They creep so softly and inocently' gathering strength, deepening their roots in precious ground where naivety is lost for good. To shield the precious ground the language of foolery has wisdom unsurpassed, for the fool is the most trusted of all, he guards the secrets of the kingdom while he windes and weaves his joy and heartiness to all those who are ready to see in Truth. Laughter is the the KEY to life.



    #33301 March 31st, 2011
    arctourist wrote:

    my dad tells me the same thing....always to laugh...



    #33541 April 1st, 2011
    Chakra wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:
    Tangent wrote:
    SpaceCowboy wrote:


    Raven posted me so many times in there it made me look like an attention WHORE.

    Maybe you should lodge a complaint, SC. I mean, a "whore hunt" isn't any more fair than an alleged "witch hunt."

    Is it?
    I wouldn't know who to snivel and whine to.


    You could try someone's mother!

    Of course I wouldn't - I am a little too cold blooded for any of that silliness!

    Integrity is a concept of consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations, and outcomes.
    In ethics, integrity is regarded as the honesty and truthfulness or accuracy of one's actions.
    Integrity can be regarded as the opposite of hypocrisy,[1] in that it regards internal consistency as a virtue, and suggests that parties holding apparently conflicting values should account for the discrepancy or alter their beliefs.
    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle - Plato



    #33586 April 1st, 2011
    Lita wrote:

    Seems like Kerry and Tommy do have common sense.. they have not replied to this thread..
    Know that you are Love...Know that you are Loved & be at Peace on your journey

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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider...
      magamud Today at 8:06 am

    Incredible stuff. A Seal indeed. Love, vitriol, intelligence, pragmatism all used to keep it closed. And a undercurrent of infantile dependence to authority. To be led...

    The devil is very good at social engineering...


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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider ...

    Post  Didymos on Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:50 am

    mudra wrote:
    shiloh wrote:
    mudra wrote:We don't know what we miss when we fear and the time we waste in postponing or casting away the very Love we are made of.


    "To truly restore, one has to find balance from merging free-will with cosmic law while being willing to do the construction work as architects of heaven on earth. One also has to be willing to transmute, release or integrate the fragmented and programmed aspects into Love & Wisdom, so the true nature and divine blueprint, can step forward within All. Laura Magdalena"

    Love Always
    mudra
    Yes mudra, the 'Love Within' is indeed omnipresent and available to all, who seek for it. It can however not be found in ignoring or dismissing the 'Love Without', no matter how dire the circumstances and hindrances encountered in the search for it.

    Indeed Shiloh

    There so exists indeed a 'Enemy Within', who attemts to confuse and perplex as the human mind itself; about the state of the realms in which the Without has no value or worth and that any such 'Enemy Without' can be safely ignored in the physicality of the illusions.

    (3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

    (11) Jesus said, ... On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

    (106) Jesus said, "When you make the two one, you will become the sons of man, and when you say, 'Mountain, move away,' it will move away."

    (48) Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in this one house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."

    (89) Jesus said, "Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Do you not realize that he who made the inside is the same one who made the outside?"


    Shiloh, October 10th, 2013
    There are many roads we can choose to travel that sway us back and forth from Home.
    Sometimes we walk them together with others and sometimes we find ourselves travelling them alone.
    As our profound understanding of within as without broadens the apparent contradictions we found ourselves in
    fade away and the bounderies melt down.
    We are Home and realize that Home is same for everyone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ


    Love for You
    mudra
    Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea

    THE SUN ENTERS SCORPIO
    Tuesday, October 22nd at 11:10 pm PDT
    Wednesday, October 23rd at 6:10 am UT

    Posted Tuesday, October 22, 2013



    Overnight, here in Pacific time, the Sun shifted signs, leaving the harmony-loving, cardinal air sign of Libra for Scorpio's deep fixed water. Our central star will be traveling through this sign of intense emotion until November 21st, and will join Saturn, Mercury, and the North Node of the Moon, all traversing this sign of transformative power.
    This year's Scorpio season will require careful navigation through a Mercury retrograde cycle in this Pluto-ruled sign, another exact Uranus-Pluto square alignment which falls precisely Scorpio's own solar festival, Samhain or All Hallows, and two days before a New Moon and solar eclipse in Scorpio. Samhain (pronounced sow-in), which in turn falls just two days before a New Moon and solar eclipse. Samhain marks the midpoint between the autumn equinox and the winter solstice here in the Northern Hemisphere and is one of four "cross-quarter" days, along with Beltane, Lughnassa and Imbolc.

    Between Scylla and Charybdis

    With so many compelling astrological events happening concurrently over this next solar month, we may find ourselves confronted with difficult dilemmas, choosing between Scylla and Charybdis — in other words, stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea.
    Scylla and Charybdis were mythical sea monsters described in Homer's epic poem The Odyssey who plagued sailors in the Strait of Messina, between Sicily and the Italian mainland.



    On the Italian side was Scylla, a treacherous rocky shoal (described metaphorically as a six-headed sea monster), while off the Sicilian coast lurked Charybdis that caused the waters to swirl and seethe into a deadly whirlpool. Together they formed an inescapable gauntlet causing sailors to choose between a rock and a hard place. As Homer described it, the hero Odysseus had to choose between the two while passing through the strait during his famous extended adventure on the Mediterranean. Odysseus opted to pass closer to Scylla and risk losing some of his crew rather than imperil his entire ship in Charybdis' treacherous whirlpool. The painting shown here by the 18th century Swiss painter Johann Heinrich Füssli depicts Odysseus facing this watery dilemma.
    So here we navigating through our own "Strait of Messina" in which several challenging events will try to wrap their tentacles around us simultaneously, and all happening during this dark, Pluto-ruled Scorpio season. It's a good time to examine what Scorpio represents.

    Pluto-Ruled Scorpio: Mistress of the Shadowy Depths

    Scorpio symbolizes the process of death and rebirth, rules the time of year, here in the Northern Hemisphere, when the wheel is turning toward the darkest days of winter.



    The leaves are falling, the days are shorter, and the nights are long. It is a time for rest, winter's long slow preparation for a new growing season come spring. All around us are the undeniable signs that life is beating a fast retreat. Hades has burst forth from the Underworld, standing strong in his dark chariot with his smoldering good looks. He's found his love, Persephone, and they are off to their winter timeshare. Mother Demeter will have to wait until spring to see her daughter again.

    Contrary to the way in which this myth is told, I don't see Persephone as a "kidnap victim" — and reading the myth this way I think muddles the deeper meaning of her story. Rather, I suspect Persephone went willingly, and perhaps the truth of this old tale was lost in translation long ago. The time was ripe for Persephone to shed her old life; and it was her mother, the Goddess Demeter, who couldn't let go, and suffered for it, not Persephone. Persephone's story may be a distorted fragment of an older myth, one of a dark female agricultural figure of death and rebirth. Persephone has to sacrifice her protected life with mother because she has outgrown it. It's time to move on. She releases her past and steps into the unknown future. And for her courage, Persephone is transformed from maid into the Queen of Darkness, co-ruler of the Underworld, certainly not a victim, slave or mere wife.

    This is an important distinction because Persephone is such a potent Scorpionic symbol of regenerative power. The painting shown above, by the French artist Charles-Joseph Natoire, depicts Persephone as the empowered, enthroned Queen of the Underworld sitting quite contentedly next to Hades as his equal. She is wise, powerful, and in the painting is giving Psyche l'elixir de beauté. Psyche had been sent by a jealous Venus to the Underworld on what Venus had hoped would be a "wild goose chase" that would end in Psyche's death. But that's another story....



    According to the Roman poet Ovid, in his Metamorphoses, it was the nymph Arethusa who first reported to Demeter that Persephone was in the Underworld. Until then, she had been searching the world without pause for her missing daughter. Spring failed to arrive each year and famine had spread throughout the world. Ovid wrote that while traveling in her stream below the earth, Arethusa saw Persephone sitting on her throne as the queen of Hades. On hearing this, Demeter immediately got in her chariot and flew to Mt. Olympus to demand that Zeus return her daughter:
    "... That she has been stolen, I will bear, if only he will bring her back; for your daughter does not deserve to have a robber for a husband."

    To which Zeus replied:
    "... If only we are willing to give right names to things, this is no harm that has been done, but only love ... But if you so greatly desire to separate them, Persephone shall return to heaven, but on one condition only: if in the lower-world no food has as yet touched her lips. For so have the Moerae decreed."

    But it was too late, for Persephone had already eaten those pomegranate seeds, and because of this she had to stay in the Underworld. Yet Hades generously relinquished Persephone for part of the year — even when he did not have to — for as the Fates decreed, she was stuck there forever. In the Homer's Hymn to Demeter, there is an interesting passage where Hades speaks to Persephone, and from this we get a pretty good picture that Persephone was no powerless victim, but indeed a revered Queen:
    "... And while you are here, you shall rule all that lives and moves and shall have the greatest rights among the deathless gods: those who defraud you and do not appease your power with offerings, reverently performing rites and paying fit gifts, shall be punished for evermore."

    The myth of Persephone's abduction and return is allegorical and illuminates her role as the personification of the renewal of life each spring, life that springs from the seeds of the earth and withdraws back again after the autumn harvest with the seeds for next spring. Persephone was a vegetation goddess, and along with her mother were the central figures of the Eleusinian mysteries that predated the Olympian pantheon.

    And so the Scorpio cycle symbolizes this same "descent" — the time when we are called to do the same, or rather symbolically the same: to face what is rotting in our lives, what is dead and dying and let it go, release it. The Scorpio cycle works much like a composter with the discarded, stale contents of our lives. Under cover of winter, what we release is transformed into gold: rich black earth for the seeds of spring. It's the necessary counterpart to vernal gestation, this Scorpionic creation of a fertile ground that supports new life. Persephone goes to the Underworld for six months of the year, embracing her darkness, but she reemerges, transformed and renewed as the May Queen, the Goddess of Spring, every year.

    Scorpio cycles aren't limited to intense, life-or-death issues though. It can be a time to just simply take out the proverbial trash: deal with the clutter and stale air that has been accumulating in your life. Every gardener knows that in order to harvest more fruit, you have to prune your trees every winter. Releasing can be as simple as no longer returning the phone call of someone who — if you are "Scorpishly" honest about it — detracts rather than contributes to your life. It can mean facing where you play the victim and thus lose your power in certain relationships, and stopping that nonsense once and for all; or owning up to the fact that you are sometimes sneaky and manipulative rather than direct, clear and honest. It can be delivering a long overdue message of love, or telling someone who has hurt you the painful truth. It can even be something fun like gathering up all the drab, unhappy clothes in your closet, along with that chipped mug, and carting it all off to the Goodwill. It can be having the courage to start therapy in order to face some deep wounds from the past that still haunt you.


    All you can learn is what your own inward life is and try to stay loyal to that. We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us. The old skin has to be shed before the new one can come.
    — Joseph Campbell


    Scorpio is the only sign to have three symbols — scorpion, eagle, and phoenix — a trinity of transformation. The phoenix is the mythical bird of Arabia, lost in the fire, yet arose from the ashes shiny and new, an ancient alchemical symbol of rebirth. The flames are purification, the burning of the dross — which can be an awful ordeal, exactly like burning in the fires of Hell.

    What we give up, though, is the cost of our transformation, and what makes it hard is the degree to which you or someone else in your life — like Persephone's mother — is holding on and cannot let go. We sacrifice to make room for greater things, but it requires sometimes a powerful act of courage and a willingness to step into the unknown.
    And this, for me, is the meaning and inspiration of Persephone's story and the Scorpio cycle. After all, the planetary co-ruler of Scorpio, along with courageous Mars, is Pluto, God of the Underworld — or Hades as he was called by the Greeks.



    The Scorpio archetype closely correlates with the Tarot card, Death, shown here from the Rider-Waite deck. On the card we see Death depicted as a skeleton in armor riding a white horse.



    Death has already trampled a king and approaches a child, young woman, and a bishop begging to be spared — but no one is immune to Death no matter how powerful, pious or young. On Death's banner is the five-petaled white rose, which according to occultist Eden Gray is a symbol for the life-force and Mars, Scorpio's traditional ruler. The rose also carries the meaning of purity and heavenly passion: transmutation and spiritual perfection, it is an ancient symbol for spiritual joy. While most of us today equate the rose with love, it carries all of these meanings. The rose is also an emblem of secrecy. This is where the Latin term sub rosa, literally "under the rose," arose. When secret societies met in medieval times, this flower was hung from the ceiling to remind members that what was being discussed was to be held in strict confidence, it was knowledge for initiates only.
    The river in the background of the card flows out to the sea, representing the transmuting nature of life: water evaporates into vapor, condenses into clouds, which then rains down as water once more. Matter is never lost, it only changes its form. In turn, Death is the closing of one door so another can open, putting the past behind us to embrace the new day. In the distance on the Eastern horizon, the Sun is rising. Death symbolizes the renewal that comes from release, its larger meaning. An ending yes, but also a new beginning.



    Scorpio Keywords: Magnetic, Powerful, Deep, Intense, Penetrating, Obsessive
    Famous Scorpios (in no particular order): Pablo Picasso, Joni Mitchell, K. D. Lang, Kurt Vonnegut, Sojourner Truth, Theodore Roosevelt, Aaron Copland, Anne Tyler, Albert Camus, Carl Sagan, Charles de Gaulle, Charles Manson, Claude Monet, Condoleezza Rice, Bill Gates, Bjork, Dick Clark, Dylan Thomas, Ezra Pound, Ethan Hawke, Evelyn Waugh, Gerard Butler, Grace Kelly, Goldie Hawn, Howard Dean, Indira Ghandi, John Adams, John Cleese, John Keats, Johnny Mercer, Jonas Salk, Leonardo Dicaprio, Margaret Atwood, Marianne Moore, Marie Curie, Martin Scorsese, Marlene Dietrich, Owen Wilson, Peter Jackson, Richard Burton, Roy Rogers, Sally Field, Scarlett Johansson, Ted Turner, Vivien Leigh, Will Rogers
    Gemstones: Topaz, Malachite, Apache Tear, Boji Stone, Emerald, Garnet, Herkimer Diamond, Obsidian, Rhodochrosite, Ruby
    Colors: dark red and black



    The Serenity Prayer is, I think, particularly helpful at this Scorpio time of year, especially this year with the North Node of the Moon, Saturn, Mercury and now the Sun all traveling through this sign of deep transformative power.

    But letting go of what no longer works in our lives and what we have outgrown can be a supremely difficult and scary task. Fixed, Pluto- and Mars-ruled Scorpio does not give up until it has exhausted its search for the deeper truth and sometimes that search can border on unhealthy obsession. Keeping a detached perspective can be difficult, especially now, and this simple prayer is a helpful reminder of the importance of knowing that place "where angels fear to tread" and those times in life when it is a much wiser to let it go, and release it to a higher power:

    God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. The courage to change the things I can. And the wisdom to know the difference.

    http://www.bluemoon.bz/astrology/sun-ingress/scorpio/



    For Alma Mater Mudra!

    Shiloh, October 24th, 2013

    [11:26:32 AM-Friday, October 25th, 2013 +11UCT] Shiloh: I did not see her leave
    [11:26:51 AM] Shiloh: She must have blocked something
    [11:43:47 AM] Shiloh: 10:39 am October 24th my time
    [11:44:18 AM] Shiloh: October 23rd - October 25th is the code of the 3 days of darkness
    [11:45:37 AM] Shiloh:

    Revelation 16:10-21
    King James Version (KJV)

    10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
    11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

    This is October 23rd, say in an inversion under chaos

    12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    This is is October 24th, kinda fits and describes absorption of something in contraction

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
    19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
    21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

    [11:47:24 AM] Shiloh: This is today, October 25th as the last day and the formation of a new cosmic ID

    [11:48:24 AM] Shiloh: The Armageddon gathering so coincides with her leaving this chat
    [12:07:27 PM] Sirius 17: interesting yes
    [12:07:42 PM] Sirius 17: i am cooking a curry dish atm hopefully it will be done soon
    [12:16:16 PM] Sirius 17: she said nothing to you?
    [12:16:21 PM] Sirius 17: before she left
    [12:16:29 PM] Shiloh: Nope
    [12:16:54 PM] Shiloh: And I had some weird dreams
    [12:17:04 PM] Sirius 17: what did you dream?
    [12:17:22 PM] Shiloh: I had a new core, sort of
    [12:17:34 PM] Shiloh: It was someone very famous lol
    [12:17:42 PM] Sirius 17: madonna? lol
    [12:17:48 PM] Shiloh: YES
    [12:17:53 PM] Sirius 17: god i am good huh
    [12:17:59 PM] Shiloh: How tf did you know?
    [12:18:08 PM] Shiloh: It was very real
    [12:18:09 PM] Sirius 17: cuz i am that good
    [12:18:14 PM] Shiloh: I am amazed
    [12:18:16 PM] Sirius 17: i know things lol
    [12:18:26 PM] Sirius 17: ok weird story for you
    [12:18:37 PM] Sirius 17: about a week ago i was looking at her nude pics on google
    [12:18:40 PM] Shiloh: So this proves to me that this means something
    [12:18:44 PM] Sirius 17: and i saw something there
    [12:18:49 PM] Sirius 17: when she was younger you know
    [12:18:52 PM] Shiloh: really?
    [12:19:04 PM] Sirius 17: yes and it reminded me of what we saw in dd
    [12:19:18 PM] Sirius 17: and i sat there and tried to figure out wf it was
    [12:19:34 PM] Sirius 17: this was when i posted the madonna stuff remember
    [12:19:36 PM] Sirius 17: the video
    [12:19:38 PM] Sirius 17: and all that
    [12:19:39 PM] Shiloh: No
    [12:19:51 PM] Shiloh: But this dream also related to a 'bet'
    [12:20:12 PM] Shiloh: Some ticket where the number was 2 and the horses name was Emeth but a female
    [12:20:45 PM] Shiloh: It then won the race but became number 4 or 5 and I wondered if I had to protest to the betting company
    [12:20:50 PM] Shiloh: This was agfterwards
    [12:21:18 PM] Sirius 17: lol you and your horse betting
    [12:21:20 PM] Shiloh: But Madonna was with me and like 'started to fall in love' and I did not believe this
    [12:21:38 PM] Shiloh: We had one argument, when she asked about my income
    [12:21:45 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [12:21:47 PM] Shiloh: I said it is irrelevant
    [12:21:55 PM] Sirius 17: and she said?
    [12:22:10 PM] Shiloh: But I knew it was her and that she had all the money anyone would ever need
    [12:22:28 PM] Shiloh: She accepted my point and changed the subject or whatever
    [12:22:34 PM] Sirius 17: hmmm yes i just wonder why she asked is all
    [12:22:53 PM] Sirius 17: so what do you think this means?
    [12:23:02 PM] Sirius 17: could she be your core Tony?
    [12:23:27 PM] Sirius 17: would be a trip if it were lol
    [12:23:45 PM] Shiloh: Nono
    [12:23:49 PM] Shiloh: BUT
    [12:24:00 PM] Shiloh: Madonna is MI of course and my CJ as MM
    [12:24:34 PM] Shiloh: The number mixup means like 2 or 11 changes to something else
    [12:24:41 PM] Shiloh: It IS the New cosmic ID
    [12:26:05 PM] Shiloh: Madonna=62=Magdalene=Queen
    [12:26:17 PM] Shiloh: 26 backwards as DOG=GOD
    [12:26:40 PM] Shiloh: But actually I dont know the deeper meanings here
    [12:27:09 PM] Shiloh: 38=11=Bride and DD's number
    [12:27:18 PM] Shiloh: But then 44=Elder=8=62 as well
    [12:27:35 PM] Sirius 17: right hmm that is strange
    [12:27:49 PM] Shiloh: I dont know and there are still 10 days to go
    [12:27:52 PM] Sirius 17: i am checking on curry again
    [12:28:29 PM] Shiloh: Now tell me what you feel about Madonna when you felt this
    [12:28:45 PM] Shiloh: My intuition is not strong enough
    [12:38:31 PM] Sirius 17: i just wished that dd were more like her
    [12:38:37 PM] Sirius 17: and that she was your core instead
    [12:39:19 PM] Shiloh: Weird
    [12:39:31 PM] Sirius 17: more like her in the sense that even though she is the 'material' girl she is no longer ignorant you know...to the world and its BS
    [12:39:41 PM] Shiloh: yes
    [12:39:56 PM] Shiloh: kabbalah friendly though the nabs way
    [12:40:16 PM] Sirius 17: yes but this is the zohar you know
    [12:40:23 PM] Shiloh: It is just strange that you would get an impresion over this
    [12:40:24 PM] Sirius 17: she carries a copy of it with her always
    [12:40:38 PM] Shiloh: It was clearly her
    [12:40:45 PM] Sirius 17: and Madonna has catholic upbringing
    [12:40:51 PM] Sirius 17: as you might know
    [12:40:58 PM] Shiloh: Yes Italiano
    [12:41:03 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [12:41:13 PM] Sirius 17: so yeah this is really strange to me too
    [12:41:38 PM] Sirius 17: i was wishing she could be your core and how would it be if madonna was privy to the 'insider' info like us
    [12:41:43 PM] Sirius 17: what she would then be like
    [12:42:05 PM] Shiloh: Well she is my age plus or minus 1
    [12:42:17 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [12:42:19 PM] Shiloh: I dont know
    [12:42:26 PM] Sirius 17: i dont either dear
    [12:42:31 PM] Shiloh: What it means actually
    [12:42:58 PM] Shiloh: I added this to the chart
    [12:43:19 PM] Sirius 17: what?
    [12:43:45 PM] Shiloh: Those 3½ days
    [12:43:48 PM] Sirius 17: omg i am a good cook lol
    [12:43:53 PM] Shiloh: It relates to this you see
    [12:44:00 PM] Sirius 17: this curry is the bomb
    [12:44:09 PM] Sirius 17: oh i look at it
    [12:44:11 PM] Sirius 17: on spruz
    [12:45:48 PM] Shiloh:

    Revelation 6:8
    And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.


    [12:46:08 PM] Shiloh: It is a third everywhere else
    [12:47:37 PM] Sirius 17: yes i saw this
    [12:47:44 PM] Sirius 17: and the astro stuff too
    [12:51:09 PM] Shiloh: Yes it fits with the Death Tarot card
    [12:51:20 PM] Sirius 17: yes transformation
    [12:51:39 PM] Sirius 17: and yeah i can identify with all of it
    [12:52:08 PM] Shiloh: it is a precarious time
    [12:52:15 PM] Sirius 17: i am feeling ok today, had some trouble breathing this morning though
    [12:52:27 PM] Shiloh: It should improve from now on
    [12:52:45 PM] Shiloh: The tail of the Ouroboros catches its head today
    [12:53:06 PM] Shiloh: Closing the Circle of the Behemoth-Leviathan in Job
    [12:54:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes i saw that
    [12:54:12 PM] Sirius 17: i thought it was on the 26th
    [12:55:37 PM] Shiloh: The 25th is the 1st day of the end, say the Old HeavenHell and the 26th is the 1st day of the New HeavenHell as the AlphaOmega sabbath yes
    [12:56:01 PM] Sirius 17: but i can see this is like your squaring the circle pythagorus stuff too right
    [12:56:28 PM] Shiloh: Yes, you could say this is a form of 'Squaring the Circle'
    [12:56:33 PM] Sirius 17: this is it
    [12:56:42 PM] Sirius 17: the scorpio wand more or less
    [12:56:49 PM] Sirius 17: arcing its way through the mazzaroth
    [12:57:03 PM] Shiloh: It is all related to the final 8 weeks to the Rainbow Covenant
    [12:57:09 PM] Sirius 17: hailing the appearance of ophiuchus
    [12:57:19 PM] Shiloh: Starting September 10th and ending November 5th
    [12:57:23 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [12:57:54 PM] Shiloh: As the Palm-Sunday to Whit-Sunday timewarp
    [12:58:16 PM] Shiloh: Ophiuchus is November 22nd-23rd as the Scorpio-Sagittarius cusp
    [12:58:47 PM] Shiloh: As the mirror image of for the Taurus-Gemini cusp May 21st-22nd the Arachne 14th sign say
    [12:58:59 PM] Sirius 17: yes i know god i can't think of the name of the chart its on either
    [12:59:09 PM] Sirius 17: something pythagorian
    [1:00:08 PM] Sirius 17: i used to have all these charts on my old computer
    [1:00:23 PM] Sirius 17: its buried someplace in spruz
    [1:12:59 PM] Sirius 17: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150090122379095&set=a.10150090058849095.284051.528974094&type=3&theater


    [1:13:22 PM] Sirius 17: this one the stargates of israel in the octogon of pythagoras
    [1:13:40 PM] Sirius 17: your drawing on the chart reminded me of this
    [1:13:49 PM] Sirius 17: sorry it took me so long to find it
    [1:14:17 PM] Sirius 17: i was searching my computer first thinking i had it
    [1:14:23 PM] Sirius 17: i knew i had it someplace lol
    [1:15:01 PM] Shiloh: It is interesting to compare the Tarot 13-14-15-16 to the Egyptian Cartouche
    [1:15:15 PM] Shiloh: I will add this to the post
    [1:15:40 PM] Shiloh: Yes the Octagon chart depicts the 13th starsign
    [1:16:01 PM] Sirius 17: yes well i thought you were referring to this in your little diagram on the new chart
    [1:17:31 PM] Sirius 17: i wish i knew what the hell your dream means
    [1:17:47 PM] Sirius 17: i think it is important
    [1:20:37 PM] Shiloh: So do I
    [1:20:54 PM] Shiloh: It is important for the ment-ment template for all cores
    [1:27:45 PM] Sirius 17: where are you posting?
    [1:28:03 PM] Shiloh: spruz and the letters
    [1:30:15 PM] Sirius 17: you know you should say something to Rok and Xeia
    [1:30:20 PM] Sirius 17: in core
    [1:30:31 PM] Sirius 17: i think they are waiting for you to come on
    [1:30:41 PM] Sirius 17: and your hiding lol
    [1:30:49 PM] Shiloh: I will when they talk to you there
    [1:31:01 PM] Shiloh: I am looking for those cards
    [1:31:12 PM] Sirius 17: oh ok



    [1:31:12 PM] http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=B5F83661-8D17-4903-99A2-A9A4F8BBD6E0

    [1:56:34 PM] Shiloh: I edited and now you can see the correlation between the:
    [1:57:27 PM] Shiloh: 1. Waters of the Murkiness of Scorpio transforming into the Eage-Phoenix of the metamorphosis of the human caterpillar into the starhuman butterfly
    [1:57:49 PM] Shiloh: 2. Earth of the Temperance in the 'mixing of the waters' by the 'cosmic watchers' or observers
    [1:58:07 PM] Shiloh: 3. Sirius or ET connect to the Devil as the harmonisations of the oppositions in a new nondual perception
    [1:58:33 PM] Shiloh: 4. Lotus as the 'Home of the Elements' connect to the Tower of Destruction as the 'Fall of Babylon' as the false image 'Whore=69=Jehovah' of Old Jerusalem-Barbelo
    [1:58:55 PM] Shiloh: For the timeline of the 3½ days of metaphysical darkness from October 22nd to October 26th, 2013
    [2:06:36 PM] Sirius 17: where is the edit again?
    [2:06:40 PM] Sirius 17: sorry i was cleaning up
    [2:06:56 PM] Sirius 17: my kitchen was a disaster after the curry
    [2:11:30 PM] Sirius 17: oh ok i see it
    [2:12:25 PM] Sirius 17: yes i like these egyptian cards
    [2:13:11 PM] Sirius 17: in Tarot, the tower is more like the real death card
    [2:13:23 PM] Sirius 17: if i see it in someones reading it means serious shit
    [2:14:02 PM] Sirius 17: because it means like earth shattering change ususally
    [2:14:07 PM] Sirius 17: clean slate
    [2:14:34 PM] Sirius 17: depending on how it is aspected to other cards it could mean serious health problems or even death
    [2:14:35 PM] Shiloh: yes and its 13-14-15-16 as the 3½ days of darkness
    [2:14:59 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i see how you have them
    [2:15:36 PM] Sirius 17: the tower is not always bad but it definately indicates ground breaking changes
    [2:15:49 PM] Sirius 17: something so radical and unexpected
    [2:15:58 PM] Sirius 17: i hate that card lol
    [2:16:11 PM] Sirius 17: think of a bolt of lightening through your brain
    [2:16:20 PM] Sirius 17: it gives me chills
    [2:16:28 PM] Shiloh: I like the card
    [2:16:29 PM] Sirius 17: and i mean a real one
    [2:16:49 PM] Shiloh: I dont particularly like the Old World and its human mindedness
    [2:17:31 PM] Sirius 17: well the times i have seen it in a negative aspect in someones reading they died or someone they knew died
    [2:17:39 PM] Sirius 17: i seriously hate that card
    [2:17:46 PM] Sirius 17: for that reason
    [2:18:02 PM] Shiloh: Egyptian #14 is the Thoth-Earth-Pyramid sequence as 5-14-23


    [2:18:19 PM] Sirius 17: it has only happend a few times but it was enough that it freaks me out
    [2:18:56 PM] Shiloh: Well the dreams do indicate this, as does the 'one left and one taken' code in Matthew and in the GOT
    [2:19:05 PM] Sirius 17: yes i know
    [2:19:46 PM] Sirius 17: i am not afraid of death, but i sure hate to see anyone die
    [2:20:10 PM] Sirius 17: its just such a waste
    [2:20:10 PM] Shiloh: It refers to the old seed dying to become a new seed
    [2:20:39 PM] Sirius 17: yes and i also know what Jesus said about loosing your old life to gain a new one
    [2:20:42 PM] Sirius 17: i get it
    [2:20:49 PM] Sirius 17: fine with me
    [2:21:09 PM] Sirius 17: the old world has nothing for us anyhow
    [2:21:50 PM] Shiloh:

    1 Corinthians 15:35-37

    35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
    36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
    37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:


    [2:22:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes related to the one in the GOT also about the man round about the lamb

    (60) a Samaritan carrying a lamb on his way to Judea. He said to his disciples, "That man is round about the lamb."
    They said to him, "So that he may kill it and eat it."
    He said to them, "While it is alive, he will not eat it, but only when he has killed it and it has become a corpse."
    They said to him, "He cannot do so otherwise."
    He said to them, "You too, look for a place for yourself within repose, lest you become a corpse and be eaten."


    [2:24:13 PM] Sirius 17: lol number 60=WORD also
    [2:24:21 PM] Sirius 17: the Alpha and Omega
    [2:25:27 PM] Shiloh: Yes and 60=30+30 as the two parts of the Bread imaged and mirrored in each other
    [2:25:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [2:25:37 PM] Sirius 17: the barley and the rye
    [2:25:59 PM] Shiloh: The Wheat and the Chaff
    [2:26:12 PM] Sirius 17: that too
    [2:26:25 PM] Shiloh: The valuable cosmically and the dross to be thrown away or burnt to ashes for the Phoenix to rise from
    [2:26:25 PM] Shiloh: The valuable cosmically and the dross to be thrown away or burnt to ashes for the Phoenix to rise from
    [2:27:08 PM] Sirius 17:

    Ezekiel 4:9

    9 Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.


    [2:28:04 PM] Sirius 17: what is this one related to Tony?
    [2:28:26 PM] Sirius 17: 390 days i know
    [2:28:38 PM] Sirius 17: but what else
    [2:28:59 PM] Shiloh: Yes it relates to the 'feeding of the multitudes' with the 'manna from heaven'
    [2:29:03 PM] Sirius 17: it is good bread btw
    [2:29:11 PM] Sirius 17: if you actually make it lol
    [2:30:09 PM] Shiloh: The 390 days are the Ezekielian Left Siege of Israel AND the preparation of the four angels of Euphrates, which hold the four winds of destruction and visitation at check until those 390 days are completed
    [2:30:32 PM] Sirius 17: ah ok
    [2:30:59 PM] Shiloh: The date is September 9th-10th, 2013
    [2:31:39 PM] Shiloh: 99 and 100 days before the fulfilment of the Euphrates prophecy
    [2:32:10 PM] Shiloh: It is also encoded in the Dead Sea Scrolls
    [2:32:14 PM] Sirius 17: yes and i remember talking to you about lying on the left and right sides of the bed, James and I
    [2:32:18 PM] Sirius 17: and how we have switched
    [2:32:19 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [2:39:46 PM] Sirius 17:

    Gavriel Navarro

    Lost on a white tuberose

    How could I tell you I am sad,
    that I miss so much your smile,
    the glow of your light blue eyes,
    the thick perfume of your soul
    pouring sweetly over your voice,
    while I love you in my silence
    beyond desire with no return,
    caring on my lips the warmth
    of your taste, rooted within me.

    As to say so many things sublime
    stored within the pain in my chest,
    that my heart is one ripped rose
    crying blood and honey petals.
    How to remove the gap of absence
    in this outpouring purplish river,
    calling you with the power of agony
    and thus do not let you go this noon
    when the sun shines on this love
    Lost on a white tuberose....

    Gavriel Navarro© 2013

    [2:40:02 PM] Sirius 17: he is getting pretty good with his poetry
    [2:40:08 PM] Sirius 17: i thought i would share
    [2:40:35 PM] Sirius 17: Barbara and Andrew invited him to our poetry group and this is what he just posted
    [2:41:23 PM] Shiloh: yes its good
    [2:42:18 PM] Sirius 17:

    Gavriel Navarro

    Mutism

    To whom could I ask
    why bodies transmute
    enlightened of intellect
    dissolved beneath the land.

    Today I ask for an extension
    while you get used
    to the sound of my absence
    under my silence.

    I am no longer that blurry man
    that the earth swallowed.
    I am infinite substance
    Twilight and Shadow

    Abyss and rock salt
    undiluted in time...

    Gavriel Navarro© 2013

    [2:42:23 PM] Sirius 17: he posted this one yesterday
    [2:42:54 PM] Sirius 17: i like it too
    [2:43:23 PM] Sirius 17: i always liked Gav, haunted soul he is
    [2:43:32 PM] Sirius 17: deeply emotional
    [2:43:59 PM] Sirius 17: i appreciate his artistry with words and his depth
    [2:44:25 PM] Sirius 17: it was strange his role with us
    [2:44:35 PM] Sirius 17: and 44
    [2:45:22 PM] Sirius 17: so many misunderstandings that were not necessary
    [2:45:31 PM] Sirius 17: it does feel like we are turning new pages
    [2:45:37 PM] Sirius 17: can you feel it?
    [2:45:49 PM] Sirius 17: like maybe they can see things now
    [2:45:53 PM] Sirius 17: like mudra
    [2:46:08 PM] Shiloh: One can only hope so
    [2:46:13 PM] Sirius 17: aye
    [2:46:16 PM] Sirius 17: i do hope so
    [2:47:03 PM] Sirius 17: do you think 44 will come back?
    [2:47:10 PM] Shiloh: I dont know
    [2:47:51 PM] Shiloh: Can she become Lassie or not? This is the question for me and the MILD
    [2:48:08 PM] Sirius 17: i am sad
    [2:48:14 PM] Shiloh: If not she is free from us and all things Thuban and the Logos
    [2:48:40 PM] Sirius 17: its so sad to me that she couldn't just talk to us like she did you that one day...the whole two years
    [2:48:50 PM] Sirius 17: what we could of all done
    [2:48:57 PM] Sirius 17: and became
    [2:49:06 PM] Shiloh: She is Nabs fuc11ed to the extreme and now by the Barbara Marciniak Nabs
    [2:49:22 PM] Shiloh: 'Clan mothers from the Pleiadeans', come on
    [2:49:29 PM] Sirius 17: i think she left because she was sad about Xeia and Rok meeting
    [2:49:52 PM] Shiloh: BM has some nice points and I have a few books from her, but overall it is just more Nabs
    [2:49:58 PM] Sirius 17: i dont know i just get a feeling that she wishes that it could be you and her but is too stuborn to say her deepest wish
    [2:50:04 PM] Sirius 17: too fuc11ing stuborn
    [2:50:06 PM] Sirius 17: it is so sad
    [2:50:23 PM] Shiloh: One can only try to fathom
    [2:50:42 PM] Sirius 17: i dont either but this is what i felt
    [2:50:51 PM] Sirius 17: maybe i am wishfully thinking
    [2:50:55 PM] Shiloh: Perhaps
    [2:51:41 PM] Sirius 17: yes she has been totally highjacked by the nabs for sure
    [2:52:01 PM] Sirius 17: there will be no more answers there for her
    [2:52:07 PM] Sirius 17: only emptyness
    [2:52:18 PM] Sirius 17: she can't see this yet
    [2:52:34 PM] Sirius 17: it can't be long now though
    [2:52:44 PM] Sirius 17: the world is so empty
    [2:53:05 PM] Sirius 17: i can't even bear to look at our news here
    [2:53:13 PM] Sirius 17: everyday another atrocity
    [2:53:23 PM] Sirius 17: another shooting
    [2:53:27 PM] Sirius 17: this time the children
    [2:53:31 PM] Sirius 17: wild guns
    [2:53:50 PM] Sirius 17: day after day of this emptiness
    [2:54:25 PM] Sirius 17: you cannot look to the nabs for answers when this kind of XXXX permeates the world
    [2:54:36 PM] Sirius 17: and go tralalala
    [2:54:48 PM] Sirius 17: its not Xxxxxxxx funny
    [2:54:59 PM] Sirius 17: its gross beyond gross
    [2:55:36 PM] Sirius 17: but go ahead and go to your nabs conventions and pay your money for some BS artist to tell you what it is all about
    [2:55:50 PM] Sirius 17: buy your books and your crystals and your DVDs
    [2:55:57 PM] Shiloh: It would be funny, were it not so sad indeed
    [2:56:03 PM] Sirius 17: ignore the emptiness around you
    2:56:42 PM] Sirius 17: the whole lot of them are living in LA LA land
    [2:56:58 PM] Sirius 17: oh we'll just wait for the rapture
    [2:57:10 PM] Shiloh: It will be a long wait
    [2:57:15 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [2:57:34 PM] Sirius 17: the crows are gathering in big flocks now
    [2:57:43 PM] Sirius 17: carrion feast
    [2:57:51 PM] Shiloh: As written
    [2:58:20 PM] Shiloh: The 'alchemical wedding feast and supepr of the lamb, when all the fowls of heaven are gathered
    [2:59:46 PM] Shiloh:

    Revelation 19:17-21

    17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

    18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

    19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

    20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

    21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


    [3:00:36 PM] Sirius 17: amen lol
    [3:01:11 PM] Sirius 17: i did see the largest murder of crows ever flying overhead yesterday
    [3:01:15 PM] Sirius 17: it was thousands
    [3:01:40 PM] Sirius 17: i have seen them before in the fall but not this many
    [3:01:47 PM] Sirius 17: it was quite a site to behold
    [3:01:50 PM] Shiloh: It is the new jurisdiction from the highest realms, no matter what the nabsers and the skeptics make of it
    [3:02:03 PM] Sirius 17: i smiled
    [3:02:08 PM] Sirius 17: i knew what it meant
    [3:02:57 PM] Sirius 17: it made me happy inside to see them
    [3:02:59 PM] Shiloh: The Ravens de Noah flying towards the Rainbow Covenant
    [3:03:04 PM] Sirius 17: aye
    [3:03:16 PM] Sirius 17: the new land
    [3:03:27 PM] Sirius 17: they are flying to claim it
    [3:04:34 PM] Shiloh: Yes, because the insider observer can look through the deception facade of the human mind created Devil as the Lived - displaced by the face of the Logos
    [3:05:27 PM] Shiloh: The Janus of new beginnings
    [3:05:51 PM] Shiloh: Iow, Abba has opened the gate of the Baab
    [3:06:06 PM] Shiloh: The Goddess is leaving her cocoon
    [3:06:13 PM] Shiloh: Madonna again
    [3:06:35 PM] Shiloh: 62=Queen=Magdalene=Madonna and she is both black and white
    [3:07:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [3:08:29 PM] Shiloh: Once the new jurisprudence exists and the 'Words of Jesus' are fulfilled, then the Earth goddess herself will become executor of this new legislature
    [3:09:02 PM] Shiloh: And this will become cosmic law from November 5th, 2013
    [3:09:25 PM] Shiloh: No Nabs or conspiracy theories required
    [3:10:03 PM] Shiloh: It will all manifest naturally in a new track and path taken by the entire cosmos evolving as a reconfigured omni-verse

    [3:11:39 PM] Sirius 17:



    [3:11:43 PM] Sirius 17: can you watch this one?
    [3:12:45 PM] Sirius 17:
    Tracklist:
    00:00 - 03:00 Animal
    03:01 - 05:57 Set The Right
    05:58 - 09:01 Is This Love? (Bon d'Accord)
    09:02 - 12:09 I'm In Love With Love
    12:10 - 14:58 Keep The Trance
    14:59 - 19:44 History (Land of the Free)
    19:45 - 23:34 (Traveling) Across The Sky
    23:35 - 28:25 Broken (Don't U Feel Sorry)
    28:26 - 31:54 Triggering (Your Senses)
    31:55 - 35:37 Revenge
    35:38 - 39:47 Like An Angel Passing Through My Room (ABBA Cover)
    39:48 - 44:15 Liquid Love

    Bonus Track:
    44:16 - 49:22 No Substitute For Love
    Category-Entertainment

    [3:12:50 PM] Sirius 17: this is the playlist
    [3:13:35 PM] Shiloh: Well she was very cosy indeed and really desired my attentions lol. He back and skin was so smooth
    [3:13:49 PM] Sirius 17: its just so weird i was thinking how would it be if she met you for real
    [3:14:08 PM] Sirius 17: she is seeking i know that
    [3:14:09 PM] Shiloh: Oh we clicked , she even said so
    [3:14:17 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [3:14:19 PM] Sirius 17: i am sure
    [3:14:37 PM] Shiloh: She said something like: "This is why we understand each other so well..."
    [3:14:43 PM] Sirius 17: indeed
    [3:14:53 PM] Sirius 17: i know she would so get us
    [3:15:08 PM] Shiloh: Who knows, I always liked her energy and love sharing her too
    [3:15:09 PM] Sirius 17: i see her as a Thuban
    [3:15:28 PM] Sirius 17: even though she doesn't know about us likely
    [3:15:30 PM] Shiloh: But one must 'have something', before one can share it lol
    [3:15:31 PM] Sirius 17: higher D she does
    [3:16:09 PM] Sirius 17: lol well if your ever going to meet her it will have to be the Logos that does it
    [3:17:28 PM] Sirius 17: she would make a remarkable whore of Jesus though, wouldn't she?
    [3:17:31 PM] Sirius 17: haha
    [3:17:41 PM] Sirius 17: she is a rebel
    [3:18:06 PM] Shiloh: Oh she would be a magnificent New Jerusalem
    [3:18:35 PM] Shiloh: She is ageless and seemed eternal in my dream
    [3:18:49 PM] Sirius 17: yes and sexy as you are
    [3:18:56 PM] Shiloh: I wish
    [3:19:15 PM] Shiloh: Well she saw no 'lackings' in me as others do
    [3:19:25 PM] Sirius 17: you are that sexy dear
    [3:19:27 PM] Sirius 17: we all are
    [3:19:31 PM] Shiloh: Yes, as dragons we are
    [3:19:57 PM] Sirius 17: yes well the 'others' are looking with human eyes
    [3:20:28 PM] Sirius 17: lol how weird Tony
    [3:20:34 PM] Sirius 17: for you to dream of Madonna
    [3:20:46 PM] Shiloh: I know and it was lucid
    [3:21:07 PM] Sirius 17: but you know if the Logos wanted a rockstar it would pick someone like her lol
    [3:21:10 PM] Shiloh: I could not believe, that she wanted me
    [3:21:25 PM] Sirius 17: why?
    [3:21:30 PM] Sirius 17: your hot
    [3:22:05 PM] Shiloh: In my dream, I simply was with her on a bed talking. But then it evolved into a partnership on her instigation not mine
    [3:23:29 PM] Sirius 17: but you know i was thinking along these lines yesterday infact....thinking to myself that we deserve to hit lotto and everything else only possible for the rich...all this should be possible now for us, why should we suffer anymore ? and then i was thinking that immortals don't suffer this world and its BS, we just rule it all.
    [3:23:55 PM] Shiloh: keep on dreaming; it might just eventuate
    [3:24:00 PM] Sirius 17: why not lol
    [3:24:11 PM] Shiloh: ? noT
    [3:24:16 PM] Sirius 17: this is how it could evolve you know
    [3:24:21 PM] Sirius 17: suddenly the poor people become rich
    [3:24:25 PM] Sirius 17: it flips
    [3:24:25 PM] Shiloh: 74=47
    [3:24:31 PM] Sirius 17: exactly
    [3:24:44 PM] Sirius 17: cosmic justice lol
    [3:24:53 PM] Sirius 17: this of course would be pure Logos
    [3:25:00 PM] Sirius 17: but can you imagine
    [3:25:09 PM] Shiloh: I have no expectations, but one can dream
    [3:25:13 PM] Sirius 17: being in the right place at the right time always lol
    [3:25:45 PM] Sirius 17: well it was sort of a vision and day dream
    [3:25:59 PM] Sirius 17: i don't expect anything either
    [3:26:27 PM] Shiloh: It is amazing and certainly no coincidence, but confirmation of something, that you felt this before I had this dream
    [3:26:31 PM] Sirius 17: but how funny i thought if an immortal hit lotto
    [3:26:51 PM] Sirius 17: cosmic justice indeed lol
    [3:27:01 PM] Sirius 17: well it must mean something
    [3:27:35 PM] Sirius 17: because those who have suffered have had enough
    [3:27:38 PM] Sirius 17: that includes us
    [3:27:44 PM] Shiloh: It does indeed
    [3:27:47 PM] Sirius 17: blessed is the man who has suffered and found life
    [3:27:50 PM] Sirius 17: you know? It is our turn!
    [3:28:24 PM] Sirius 17: but it somehow is not about the money
    [3:28:29 PM] Sirius 17: but the reward
    [3:28:41 PM] Shiloh: Well I was pleasantly surprised in this yes
    [3:29:14 PM] Sirius 17: and so it fits with Madonna not making it a big issue you had no money
    [3:29:24 PM] Sirius 17: it also sort of fits with my situation too
    [3:29:36 PM] Shiloh: Yes, just she addressing this was strange
    [3:29:43 PM] Sirius 17: James told me that he will take care of me even if i can't work again
    [3:30:01 PM] Sirius 17: its not about the money he said or someone taking care of him, but the love and the US as a team
    [3:30:52 PM] Sirius 17: he told me that he was not with me for any of that and if it means taking care of me to prove it he will
    [3:30:59 PM] Sirius 17: to prove he loves me
    [3:31:00 PM] Shiloh: This would be a cool hexcore indeed!
    [3:31:23 PM] Shiloh: Not many would say no to Madonna
    [3:31:26 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [3:31:35 PM] Sirius 17: i can't imagine no
    [3:32:59 PM] Sirius 17: anyhow, James made me cry when he said all this to me
    [3:33:28 PM] Sirius 17: because that is how i have felt about us all along you know
    [3:33:44 PM] Shiloh: This might also reflect in XeiaRok now
    [3:34:07 PM] Sirius 17: and we are the pearls
    [3:34:16 PM] Sirius 17: of great price
    [3:34:17 PM] Shiloh: As you say, the Logos and waves might integrate from the higher realms now in the JCCJ and the LoFaB
    [3:34:48 PM] Shiloh: We should put this on core
    [3:34:57 PM] Sirius 17: sure you paste it
    [3:35:00 PM] Sirius 17: i always have trouble
    [3:35:07 PM] Shiloh: Ok
    [3:37:07 PM] Sirius 17:

    "Broken (I'm Sorry)"
    (Don't you feel sorry, don't you feel sorry...)

    Broken like a crooked smile
    A little hunched over but I walked that mile
    I've woken from a fuzzy dream
    You never would believe the things that I have seen

    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I'm right where the universe wants me to be
    A lesson that I needed to learn
    But that doesn't mean that it doesn't burn

    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I won't change my story
    Don't take all my glory
    Don't you feel sorry for me

    Tied up with leather and rope
    A little bit of medicine to give me hope
    I'm inky like a smoking gun
    It's gonna take a while to heal the damage done

    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I'm right where the universe wants me to be
    A lesson that I needed to learn (A lesson that I needed to learn)
    But that doesn't mean that it doesn't burn

    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I won't change my story
    Don't take all my glory
    Don't you feel sorry for me

    (A lesson that I needed to learn)
    No pain, no gain, no defective parts
    No dirty business, no forgiveness, no broken heart

    (Don't you feel sorry)

    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I won't change my story
    Don't take all my glory
    Don't you feel sorry for me

    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I won't change my story
    Don't take all my glory
    Don't you feel sorry for me

    [3:39:50 PM] Sirius 17: Madonna

    "Like An Angel Passing Through My Room"

    Long awaited darkness falls
    Casting shadows on the walls
    In the twilight hour I am alone
    Sitting near the fireplace, dying embers warm my face
    In this peaceful solitude
    All the outside world subdued
    Everything comes back to me again
    In the gloom
    Like an angel passing through my room

    Half awake and half in dreams
    Seeing long forgotten scenes
    So the present runs into the past
    Now and then become entwined, playing games within my mind
    Like the embers as they die
    Love was one prolonged good-bye
    And it all comes back to me tonight
    In the gloom
    Like an angel passing through my room

    I close my eyes
    And my twilight images go by
    All too soon
    Like an angel passing through my room

    [3:40:16 PM] Sirius 17: these are all songs off of this album
    [3:40:25 PM] Sirius 17: well these two were interesting
    [3:40:28 PM] Sirius 17: they all are
    [3:47:22 PM] Sirius 17:



    [3:47:26 PM] Sirius 17: have you seen this?
    [3:49:00 PM] Shiloh: Fake photoshopped
    [3:49:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes i just found the symbology interesting
    [3:49:50 PM] Sirius 17: being escorted by two ET's lol
    [3:49:57 PM] Shiloh: Yes true
    [3:50:03 PM] Sirius 17: JCCJ
    [3:51:25 PM] Sirius 17: yes the NABS videos on this are prolific
    [3:52:33 PM] Shiloh: And the Nabsers fall for them
    [3:53:24 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2484p135-elementals-forgotten-maestros-of-manifestation
    [3:53:33 PM] Sirius 17: Brook doesn't feel welcome at the mists?
    [3:53:34 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [3:53:47 PM] Sirius 17: i wonder who talked her into coming back
    [3:55:14 PM] Shiloh: siriarc
    [3:56:25 PM] Sirius 17: oh yeah true i had not thought about him
    [3:58:09 PM] Sirius 17: lol Tony your sharing our entire convo on MOA?
    [3:59:08 PM] Sirius 17: trying to get Carol to ban us or what? lol
    [4:01:21 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus
    [4:01:28 PM] Sirius 17: you should add this in someplace
    [4:01:38 PM] Sirius 17: some of the images and explanation are good
    [4:01:56 PM] Sirius 17: goes with the octogon of pythagoras stuff too
    [4:02:11 PM] Shiloh: Iwas just about to end the 'sharing'
    [4:02:41 PM] Sirius 17: yes well it shows the serpent tamer is cosmic
    [4:02:49 PM] Sirius 17: written in the stars...
    [4:03:16 PM] Shiloh: It is a very important day Raven, when the Tail of the Ouroboros catches its Head or vice versal
    [4:03:38 PM] Sirius 17: yes checkmate lol
    [4:03:45 PM] Shiloh: I dont care if they ban us. This is just for the testimonial now approaching its end and completion
    [4:04:05 PM] Sirius 17: i know you don't, neither do i really
    [4:04:10 PM] Shiloh: I know
    [4:05:20 PM] Shiloh: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6814p15-letter-from-a-thuban-insider#97972
    [4:05:42 PM] Shiloh: And http://www.birthofgaia.com/t255-letter-from-a-thuban-insider#3598
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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider ...

    Post  Didymos on Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:44 am


    SUSANakaTHE13THBRIDGEakaTHEeXchanger - Posted 11 Hours Ago
     
    I noticed that Oxy made comments on the work of Dan Winters

    KIMBERLEE MONTGOMERY, SUBMITTED THIS WORK ON DAN WINTERS with a question:
    QUESTION:
    Grail Bloodlines in Physics: A Beautifully Spiritually Satisfying Answer:
    The REAL GRAIL in Your DNA- Is Fired from Your Heart because BLISS is Fractal.

     by Implosion Group ( goldenmean.info ) editorial board
    - ABOUT the work of Dan Winter.
     The message of "DaVinci Code" and "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" is actually quite simple and clear.
    The GRAIL is in the BLOOD. The question, from a scientific perspective, is also simple:
    Is that true?
     Fortunately for science, a hugely exciting path to investigating the question is emerging: namely the pure electrical geometry of how blood gets activated.
    Could this geometric answer at the same time be the pure electrical geometry of physics most pressing question?
    For physics, the most basic issue (usually called THE HOLY GRAIL OF PHYSICS) is the UNIFIED FIELD and to unify the fields, for physics, is in essence the pure electrical geometry of how ELECTROMAGNETISM becomes GRAVITY.
    (Compression of charge can directly become ACCELERATION of charge - called Gravity).
    Not having answered such questions means usually arrogant physicists have to sit with their humble tail between their legs should any child ask "Well, why DOES an object fall to the ground?" It also means that when physicists (as Fosar/Bludorf & others -have written) discover that DNA does in fact become superconductive and MAKE BLACK HOLES, they also have to sit facing the humble pie that they don't have a CLUE what DNA (in the blood) in electrical terms is really DOING.
    All of this paints a picture of the current state of physics as being quite simply not up to challenges of time. How are they to answer URGENT SURVIVAL questions like:
    Why does GMO and cloning deplete the sustainability and survival of DNA? (How embarassing the WAY Dolly the Sheep aged.)

    The rats who had to be forced to eat GMO soy died so fast (the experimenters were breathless) - Who explains these stark raving embarrassments to modern scientists still driving around in cars, powered by dinosaurs farting, while their planet fixes to rot in the stink of not knowing the electrical principle of WHAT IS LIFE, who have no clue to eating the charge inside gravity, and who still think the zero point energy is somehow "free" (disconnectedschizophrenic).
    SO, can the question called THE HOLY GRAIL in physics (namely what geometry that connects electric charge to gravity) ALSO be the scientific answer to what the HOLY GRAIL is (including gravity making measured) IN BLOOD?
    Dan Winter has proposed a radical and dramatically exciting answer which is right now rattling the cage of physics around the world. A whole stable of physicists have joined him to explore the unified physics of Golden Ratio testing his original hypothesis that GOLDEN RATIO based SELF SIMILARITY is the ELECTRICAL CAUSE OF GRAVITY!
    Winter claims specifically that recent new physics for how coherent EKG changes DNA (coherent emotion/love?), and how BLISS and ECSTASY are measured using GOLDEN RATIO in brainwaves, actually confirm his theory about the GRAIL (and gravity making) in blood.
    It started when Dan noticed that the electrical geometry Einstein and Poincare used to model gravity was a nested DODECAHEDRON. (www.soulinvitation.com/gravitycode
    Dan's first book, "One Crystals Dance" from 30 years ago, had shown that when you extend the edges of a dodecahedron (all 5-sided faces) outward, you get icosahedron then dodecahedron then icosahedron, infinitely (an ancient Theosophic model called the GREATER MAZE).
    The point Winter made was that this infinite nest was composed of vertices or nodes ALL of which had x,y,z values in a simple whole multiple of GOLDEN MEAN (1.618...).
    Later Winter claimed this was THE ONLY POSSIBLE 3 DIMENSIONAL FRACTAL.
    Now - Einstein knew that INFINITE COLLAPSE was the (Holy Grail) key to connecting ELECTRICITY to GRAVITY.
    Physics is now clear that FRACTALITY is key to infinite compression.
    The problem was, Einstein never knew what a fractal was!
    So how could he know that charge in a fractal was his solution (infinite constructive wave collapse).
    This Winter claiming that CHARGE in a FRACTAL based on GOLDEN RATIO MAKES GRAVITY is such a revelation to physics that numerous serious physicists (Elizabeth Rauscher, Alex K.) have taken on the challenge.
    They realized that not only was the Golden Ratio based nested pentagonal Dodecahedron- the shape Einstein used for Gravity geometry, but it is also the shape of Palladium (and Platinum Group/PGMGold Powder) a key to cold fusion.
    Thus proving that this nest is the only possible 3D fractal, may be the actual KEY to physics of HOLY GRAIL!

    Winter has begun a simple experiment series to PROVE that charge in a fractal is the CAUSE of gravity (www.soulinvitation.com/gravitycause) and an international team of physicists, including one of Europes leading fusion physicists, have joined him.
    The other stunning part of this new HOLY GRAIL is Winter's OTHER claim.
    He says that charge in a fractal is not only the missing CAUSE of gravity BUT that it is the ONLY way to efficiently nourish and support DNA!
    This could completely redefine the electric field of success for seed germination, agriculture and even architecture (Winter has been teaching the PHYSICS of Feng Shui for 12 years). He has conducted electric field experiments and measurements demonstrating that fractal (or 'harmonic inclusive' non-destructive compression of charge) actually trigger SEED GERMINATION and measures freshness/life force and vitality (www.soulinvitation.com/germination). This, he says, finally defines sacred space and success in architecture and urban design (www.soulinvitation.com/architecture).
    For example, by choosing materials for building, originally simply called 'organic' – the resulting architecture that makes DNA healthy actually is a fractal capacitor! Winter calls the electrical definition of living material a 'phase conjugate dielectric' and the 'switch to turn on DNA radio' (www.soulinvitation.com/healingphase).
    Basically, he is saying there is a path curve that looks like the ancient CADUCCEUS based on Golden Ratio, for charge inside DNA, which allows waves of charge (the field effect of 'spirit'?) to CONJUGATE PHASES and achieve IMPLOSIVE COMMUNION in blood.

    What is so exciting is that when you animate this path curve for charge into blood (Golden Ratio caducceus), you get the most stunningly beautiful HOLY GRAIL CUP WITHIN A CUP which is a hypnotically beautiful spiritual rush to see (look at www.soulinvitation.com/realgrail where you can also see the FILM on Real Grail physics which opens and closes with that animation - a film already a hit on google).
     SO, what is the real key to the Holy Grail in blood AND where is the proof for physics?
    AND how could that possibly be a real satisfying solution to the ancient quest for the bloodline of Jesus?
     Well, to start with, there is great agreement that the electrical geometry of DNA in blood is the nesting of this exact Golden Ratio based dodecahedron. Actually, the Golden Ratio is imprinted ALL over DNA. So if we add the electrical idea that Golden Ratio is key to CONSTRUCTIVE charge compression (getting memory packed), we start to get a clue to the deeper functions of DNA and blood.
    Winter takes this dodecahedron nest and shows the CONE it makes (60 degree) based on a Golden Ratio Caducceus (symbol for DNA, Hermes & healers) and then animates that into a beautiful fractal GRAIL CUP - literally one that (being fractal) never runs over - contains infinite SPIN.
    Winter also suggested the scientific study which showed that COHERENT EMOTION/EKG controls the BRAID or programming of this charge absorbing 'Golden Fleece' in DNA (www.soulinvitation.com/rein ).
    His original mathematics (cepstrum) to MEASURE coherence in EKG has earned him credit for inventing the term Heart Coherence (book: 'Instinct to Heal').
    He originally showed Heart Math Institute how to take an EKG, how to spectrum analyze it, and has developed the most superior technology for measuring Coherent Emotion in the Heart (his HeartTuner invention: heartcoherence.com and soulinvitation.com/hearttunerspecial).
    Simply put, when your heart makes the inclusive harmonic fractal of sounds, which medically identifies immune health ('Irving Dardik', see soulinvitation.com/holarchy), this sonic 'pony tail' measurably BRAIDS your DNA into a 'recursive nest'. This nesting, or braiding into recursion of DNA, Winter says is how EMOTION PROGRAMS DNA. The climax of this process is the 7th time the DNA helix thread braided to become visibly a DONUT - a TORUS. Winter says this 'Circular DNA' is implosive and the charge radiance that results from fractal compression by braiding is the mechanism of how DNA is all connected - the fusion into a 'soul invitation' (soulinvitation.com). His best pictures and scientific links on DNA are at soulinvitation.com/12strands. It gets really movie like where Winter says the real LORD OF THE RING was - when this DNA gets into a RING due to the BLISS of pure intention/pure compression.

    He has a complete animation showing the alphabet on the side of the LORD OF THE RING being the compression angles to get charge into the vortex ring DNA in the first place (His controversial origin of the alphabet work (http://spirals.eternite.com) became the movie PI. He claims Alphabets MUST be based on the Golden Spiral since that is the only non-destructive way to get your field of charge into a tornado and steer it - to symbolize = to embed). This becomes an astounding physics suggesting that the origin of psychokinesis AND symbol begins because compassion (or FEELING for the outside FROM the inside / turning inside out) is simply equivalent to perfect COMPRESSION.
     Winter also claims that the experience of BLISS, ECSTASY and ENLIGHTENMENT is measurable when brainwaves generate this Golden Ratio (based also on work by Dr. Korotkov). This becomes the second dramatically exciting function (EEG - cross hemispheric tuning) of his same biofeedback invention called the BLISSTUNER (www.soulinvitation.com/clinicalintro ). The point of relevance to the grail story is that the BLOOD ENERGIZING aura or royal glow, or blue UV field of ecstasy, is actually the result of the whole electric field of the body becoming massive FRACTAL and ATTRACTIVE using Golden Ratio 'self similarity' (fractality). It is simple to visualize fractality in biology - just imagine a rose or a pine cone. All of biology uses this principle to attract the charge field (spirit/chi/orgone/barraka/shakti ) into perfect compression - called LIFE ITSELF!
     
    SO, if a person (Magdalen or Jesus?) were to experience BLISS consistently, their blood would become more IMPLOSIVE. Is that the Grail? Winter points to meditators who make gravity when they feel bliss, (TM floating) and insect skeletons which make gravity(soulinvitation.com/gravitypolitics) similar to other recursive capacitors which make gravity (soulinvitation.com/thrust ).
     Well, at least there are very intriguing clues here that the solution to getting the blood charged with the true physics of Bliss process may actually be the REAL GRAIL. Winter says your blood becomes powerful and gravity making ('star inhabiting' and 'sun god' making) when it has the opportunity to implode with charge in the presence of bliss. When saturated in the DNA nourishing charge fractal environment, which defines the sacred, it reveals how our ancient Dragon Annunaki (Uru/Kelt) ancestors learned to wake up their blood. WHY was the map around all the grail sites FIVE sided (Golden Ratio/Implosive ), including the pent-star symbolizing Magdalen. This leads us to the history part of this problem. Is this the SIEGE PERILOUS part?

     What about the Jesus Magdalen story being the grail? Winter claims to have an answer and here is where we go right to 'Star Wars' history. Winter says the reason the Jesus/Magdalen story melts into confusion, whenever you get out your history microscope, is because the REAL Jesus is Joshua son of Moses ('righteous priest') who is really Akunaton - in EGYPT (300 years efore Pontius Pilate). He agrees with authors Amed Osman ("Jesus in the House of the Pharaohs" and other books) and Lawrence Gardner's "Sacred Ark", who insist that the great DaVinci coverup of the church goes much further back, starting with the Enlil/Yalweh's Rabbi's hiding the real Egyptian origins of the Essenes and Jesus. They all agree that AkunATUN messed up the royal checkpoint by trying to build the DNA activating solar fractal capacitor 'Temple' Amarna. Threatened by the (Enlil/Yalweh) Amun priests, he swipes the cash cow (Gold Powder making electric source ARK OF THE COVENANT), changes his name to Moses and starts the Essenes cottage industry (Gold Powder/Ormes/Spice/Holy
     Communion's white wafer - making). Most historians agree on the blood line cross of the 2 major Essene royal families: David/Benjamin - became Jesus/Magda. Few have noted that the bloodline Essene is Akhunatun and that ATUN means Enki (the DAVID in Hebrew means DWD/TWT meaning Tehuti/Thoth/Hermes-Son of Enki), so it all fits together. But why was the bloodline ATUN (vs AMUN), Enki (vs Enlil), Adonai (vs Yalweh), AKU (vs Draku) ALWAYS hidden by the (Roman government invention) church? Here is where we need Star Wars, or rather the BIG picture.

     We can't cover all that in details here (soulinvitation.com/enki) but the real juicy part is when the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK! Winter starts the story where the Sirian Annunaki (Antu-Enki's Dad) plot to conceive a bloodline to give the losing Humanoids a chance in the war with the Drac Borg machine empire. (Read what Lucas and other writers learned of real galactic history 'THE NINE' at soulinvitation.com/hellsmouth). For example, Winter says the Hebrew Alphabet is actually the machine code for tetra 'MATRIX' (+ soulless DNA codon programming) nested magnetic domains used in the ASHTAR central computer - the hive mind of the machine empire. A Ptaa Taal/Ophanic/winged dragon/vestal queen/reverend mother/female - named AIDE was assigned as the surrogate wife (replacing Yalweh/Michael/Enlil's mom) to Antu on Sirius A, to create a bloodline psychokinetic enough to threaten a galaxy-wide scourage of computer controlled robotic machine dominated (heartless) Draco's. (The fallen Saraphim called NEPHALIM - meaning no NA implosion).
     Only the psychokinesis the real SHEM from AN, of coherent KA (body charge field), could have any hope of survival in a heartless machine empire. This Winter says is REAL galactic history and the origin of the Gold Powder slaving Sumerian genetic engineering called the Bible. (Bigger picture needed here...)

     Winter teaches very specifically how surviving death with memory intact is electrically measurable and teachable once we get past the horrifying schizophrenia which separates our understanding of ELECTRICAL coherence from our teaching of a spiritual aura. Now, do we understand the KA in KAthar, KAtholic, KAllisto, MerKAba, even KAlllice (chalice)? See how all the meanings agree: IF KA = the death and dream penetrating COHERENCE of your bodies’ electric charge field, that explains why KA means BOAT TO THE UNDERWORLD in Egyptian while it means HEAVEN in Sanskrit.
     Winter's thesis is that political narrow-mindedness (the Isreali/KAtholic fear saturated religious fundamentalism which elected George Bush for example) on EA's (Enki) EArth (abRAm- RA=Enki) is simply an obsolete leftover from the days when confused or fallen Saraphim (UR) dragons thought the only reason for planting a forest (DNA planted on planets like Earth) was to cut it down (harvest it/insurance and banking). Today we plant forests in order to set them free and feel the bliss of implosive genetic diversity (fractality of DNA radio by phase conjugation) in the electric field of their core.

     This means that we make our vote when the Empire Strikes back, as to whether to join the borg, and be ASSIMILATED into a heartless machine cult, when we MAKE THE CHOICE whether to begin the scientific hygiene necessary to IGNITE OUR DNA WITH BLISS (Electrically measurable a real GRAIL path for charge)! In practice, Winter says, this means: stop eating angry (no diversity) DNA, start eating LIVE FOOD! Run from the city and electro-smog to nature, and DO the yoga. The result of teaching bliss-making and DNA-igniting (Grail in blood) is the COHERENCE of your body’s electric charge field (KA) starting to become sustainable through lucid dream AND death. In this way selfempowerment based on pure principle can replace the obvious travesty that is the current state of old religion on Earth (mostly a parasite for the disempowered who mistakenly choose miracle and personality worship out of a confused fear of their own creation mechanics). Winter says the holy GRAIL is in your heart when you choose the perfect fractal (and very attractive) perfect compression that is LOVE itself. AND he says measuring that (EKG+EEG harmonics) helps makes it teachable!

     (In addition to his 4 books, in 5 languages at www.goldenmean.info, there is another recent book
     largely ABOUT Dan Winter's amazing Implosion Physics: free e-book "Souls of Distortion Awakening, a convergence of Science and Spirituality". It is now in its 9th edition (www.soulsofdistortion.nl).
    Implosion Group's website www.soulinvitation.com is currently referenced by over 10,000 other web articles!)

    The pictures for this article are at: soulinvitation.com/grail
    publisher inquiries are invited..
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    implosiongroup@yahoo.com ,
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    QUESTION FROM:
    What are your thoughts on this Tony ???
    ~Kimberlee Montgomery



    Is this a question for me Susan?

    Well, if it is, then I would answer, that I always liked Dan Winters' approach in its basic impetus, but would disqualify the Thuban omniscience of being a consequence of Dan Winter's insights. Rather the Winter's fractal geometry derives as a consequence of the inner structure of the 'Unified Field' he mentions.
    For example, his 'charge of gravity' is a little misleading, but rests on a sound principle of cosmic omniphysics, namely the interaction between electromagnetism and gravitation at the gauge level of the subatomic physics. This can very well be named in the form of a 'Platonic Solid holofractal geometry' and so become associated with the curvature metrics of general relativity and the field-particle theories of the standard models.
    The 'charge of gravity' is however not a compression of the 'charge' but an intrinsic nature of the notion of 'mass' or inertia itself.
    It is the acceleration of electric charge, that produces the measurable electromagnetic wavepropagation in its own intrinsic mass- or inertia coupled association. The 'problem' in contemporary orthodox physical theory is its choice of placing the necessity for the creation of electromagnetic energy at the preexistence of this mass as the primordial essence in their cosmologies (Big Bang and otherwise).
    Because all protons and electrons in the Sun or a star carry intrinsic inertia, due to their mass content; the acceleration (angular in quantum spin and rotation and linear in kinematical mechanics), it is well understood, that this acceleration produces say the electromagnetic spectrum of energy from the sun's emission- and absorption spectra.
    As a consequence, the standard models cannot envision a form of 'gravita' acceleration, which would be precursive to any inertia carrying particles or subatomic entities subject to an analogous acceleration.

    It is this Dan Winters and associates refer to in their attempts to add to the standard models of 'orthodox' modern physical theory. The gauge physics of the 'gravita' understands the 'geometry of the curved metrics' as being mass- and inertia independent in its primordial self-state. This is possible, because all mass is actually quantized in a minimum frequency Eigen-energy or selfstate. The 'gravita' then is like a massless Higgs Boson as a well understood 'Goldstone Boson', which acquires its mass or inertia in a field-gauge interaction between so called 'virtual particles' which are not virtual or imaginary, but which carry a 'quantum geometric colour charge', so differentiating their gauge nature from that of the 'produced' real gauged 'unified field particles', such as a photon from the Sun, being its own antiparticle and created in mass-associativity.
    This is simply a link between the Einstein-Mass Energy Relation and Planck's Law of Quantum Mechanics, which then assigns a frequency equivalent to the mass quantum.
    This 'solves' the mass charge as being required to exist before the electric charge in their quantum forms. Most know, that electric charge is quantized, say in the electron-proton Coulombic charge quantum "e"; but most presume that the mass content of any particle or object forms a continuum of energy given in E=mc2.

    Dan Winters and co omit the magnetic charge as a progenitor of the electric charge in say its higher dimensional membrane form. It is this magnetopolar charge, which unifies electromagnetic gauge physics with its gravitational longrange partner of the primordial cosmogony. It is then the acceleration of magnetopolar charges as a higher dimensional form of the electropolar Coulomb charges, which not only create the mass or inertia (through the Higgs Bosonic Interaction gauge field), but also generate the 'gravita' as the effect of gravitation and colloquially understood as the propagation of a 'virtual graviton'.
     
    The entire notion of the'sacred geometry' esposed by Dan Winters and the majority of the 'New Agers' has a fully justified basis and rests on a solid foundation of the gauge physics of the cosmogonical ontology for the mainstream and alternative cosmologies. There exists indeed a 'inbred' supersymmetry between the 'most important number in all physics' (Richard Feynman describing the Alpha electromagnetic finestructure cosntant) and the 'Golden Mean' and the 'Phi' of the Greek architecture and the Fibonacci sequences. The 'roots' or quadratic solutions to the mathematical formulation of the 'supersymmetric' Euler equation are the Fibonacci roots X=0.618033... and Y=-1.618033...

    The following excerpt from the Thuban archives can detail this in some manner for the researchers not subject to a mind-paralysing mathephobia.

     
    The Cosmic Wavefunction is the following Differential Equation:

    dB/dT + αB(n) = 0; α being the Electromagnetic Finestructure as the probability of light-matter interaction (~1/137).
    This has a solution: B(n) = Bo.exp[-α.T(n)]; Bo=2e/hA from QR boundary conditions defining:
    T(n)=n(n+1) as the Feynman Path-Summation of particular histories under the pentagonal supersymmetry given in the (Euler) identity:

    XY=X+Y=-1=i2=exp[iπ]=cos(π)+isin(π) and lim [n→X]{T(n)}=1





    This allows the Normalisation of the [Y]2 wavefunction to sum to unity in B(n)=(2e/hA).exp[-α.n(n+1)] with Functional Riemann Bound FRB=-1/2, centred on the interval [Y,...-1,...-X,...-1/2,...(X-1),...0,...X].
    Interval [Y,-1] sets F-Space; interval [-1,0] sets M-Space with uncertainty interval [-X,(X-1)] and interval [0,n) sets the C-Space, encompassing OmniSpace.
    n<0 is imaginary as real reflection of real n>0 of the C-Space, metrically defined at the coordinate n=0 mapping n=nps, which is the instanton tps=fss=1/fps.
    Cycletime n is defined in GR as dimensionless Tau(τ)-Time in curvature radius RC=c.dt/dτ for the pathlength of x=ct and become dn/dt=Ho, n=Hot in QR, with Ho the nodal HubbleConstant defined in c=HoRmaxps.fps.

    The Feynman Path so sums both negative and positive integers as: -n......-3...-2...-1...0...1...2...3......n =T(n) in absolute value to double the infinities as the entropy reversal of lightpath x=c.t=(-c)(-t) in the Möbius Property of the 4 worlds as outlined in the 13 dimensions of the time connectors.
    Cantor Cardinality Aleph-Null is thus Unitised in Aleph-All, counting infinities as if they were integers of the Feynman Path.
    This allows the Feynman interpretation of Quantum Mechanics as alternative to the formulations of Schrödinger (fermionic 1/2 spin) and Klein-Gordon (bosonic integral spin) as timeindependent and timedependent (free particle form inconsistent with SR in Schrödinger in 1st order t & 2nd order x), formulations respectively.
    The units of B(n) are 1/J, that is Inverse Energy, with A2 an algorithmic constant defining Current-Squared and 2e/h the Josephson Constant in Amperes/Joules.
    B(n) as the universal cosmic wavefunction describes the universe as a potentially infinite collection of 'frozen' wormhole eigenstates at n=0.

    The timeinstanton 'unfreezes' one such eigenstate and activates the protoverse as described elsewhere.
    This then allows the 'Mappings' of the C-Space 'real time n>0' from the F-Space of the 'imaginary time n<-1' under utility of the M-Space interval as 'mirror-space'.

    QR unifies electromagnetic and gravitational finestructures in F-Space using the Planck-Length-Oscillation lP√α=e/c2 from the subplenum definition as the 'Bounce of the Planck-Length'.
    This yields the decisive mapping for the B(n):

    Coulomb Charge e = lP√α.c2↔ 2Re.c2 = e* (StarCoulomb Charge)   [Eq.#5]

    But the StarCoulomb is Inverse Energy by definition of the vibratory part of the modular dual heterotic supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss.

    Eps=hfps=hc/λps=(me/2e).√[2πGo/αhc]=me/{2emP√α}=1/e*.   [Eq.#6]

    mP is the Planck-Mass and Go is the initiatory Gravitational Constant, defined in the FineStructure-Relation, which defines the Planck-Length-Oscillation in the unification of electromagnetic interactions with those of gravitational permittivity:
    Go=4πεo=1/30c with dimensionless c-ether constant [c]unified.

    This defines the MacArthur-Gamma as: "LightMass-Constant" LMC=γMac =30[c]unified.

    Thus Quantum Relativity is defined in the charge mappings between the OmniSpace dimensions; F maps magnetocharges e* onto electrocharges e under agency of the 11D-Witten Mirror, which is a Onesided Surface möbian connecting 10D to 12D.
    The all encompassing source energy quantum is the Eps-Gauge Boson, which manifests as the Gauge mediator for the four elemental interactions, suppressing the weak interaction in a primary triplicity however to allow the Higgs Restmass Induction mechanism to proceed in the defining qualities of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR).


    In regards to the 'Holy Grail' and bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene; I would only say, that this qualifies as a more intricate form of Nabs with historical and allegorical implications interwoven within it. Winter's idea of the biblical Moses being identifiable with the Pharaohs and especially Akhenaton is one aspect I would fully agree with however, despite his - to me- obvious mindful extrapolations of Mesopotamian mythology and a generalised creation mythos, which so often has become hijacked and mistranslated by the nabsers to render the historical waters and ponds of discernment even more murky then they already would be and become in the passage of linear timeflows.
     
    Shiloh, October 24th, 2013
    Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea
    THE SUN ENTERS SCORPIO
    Tuesday, October 22nd at 11:10 pm PDT
     Wednesday, October 23rd at 6:10 am UT

    Posted Tuesday, October 22, 2013

    Overnight, here in Pacific time, the Sun shifted signs, leaving the harmony-loving, cardinal air sign of Libra for Scorpio's deep fixed water. Our central star will be traveling through this sign of intense emotion until November 21st, and will join Saturn, Mercury, and the North Node of the Moon, all traversing this sign of transformative power.
    This year's Scorpio season will require careful navigation through a Mercury retrograde cycle in this Pluto-ruled sign, another exact Uranus-Pluto square alignment which falls precisely Scorpio's own solar festival, Samhain or All Hallows, and two days before a New Moon and solar eclipse in Scorpio. Samhain (pronounced sow-in), which in turn falls just two days before a New Moon and solar eclipse. Samhain marks the midpoint between the autumn equinox and the winter solstice here in the Northern Hemisphere and is one of four "cross-quarter" days, along with Beltane, Lughnassa and Imbolc.
    Between Scylla and Charybdis

    With so many compelling astrological events happening concurrently over this next solar month, we may find ourselves confronted with difficult dilemmas, choosing between Scylla and Charybdis — in other words, stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea.
    Scylla and Charybdis were mythical sea monsters described in Homer's epic poem The Odyssey who plagued sailors in the Strait of Messina, between Sicily and the Italian mainland.

    On the Italian side was Scylla, a treacherous rocky shoal (described metaphorically as a six-headed sea monster), while off the Sicilian coast lurked Charybdis that caused the waters to swirl and seethe into a deadly whirlpool. Together they formed an inescapable gauntlet causing sailors to choose between a rock and a hard place. As Homer described it, the hero Odysseus had to choose between the two while passing through the strait during his famous extended adventure on the Mediterranean. Odysseus opted to pass closer to Scylla and risk losing some of his crew rather than imperil his entire ship in Charybdis' treacherous whirlpool. The painting shown here by the 18th century Swiss painter Johann Heinrich Füssli depicts Odysseus facing this watery dilemma.
    So here we navigating through our own "Strait of Messina" in which several challenging events will try to wrap their tentacles around us simultaneously, and all happening during this dark, Pluto-ruled Scorpio season. It's a good time to examine what Scorpio represents.
    Pluto-Ruled Scorpio: Mistress of the Shadowy Depths

    Scorpio symbolizes the process of death and rebirth, rules the time of year, here in the Northern Hemisphere, when the wheel is turning toward the darkest days of winter.

    The leaves are falling, the days are shorter, and the nights are long. It is a time for rest, winter's long slow preparation for a new growing season come spring. All around us are the undeniable signs that life is beating a fast retreat. Hades has burst forth from the Underworld, standing strong in his dark chariot with his smoldering good looks. He's found his love, Persephone, and they are off to their winter timeshare. Mother Demeter will have to wait until spring to see her daughter again.
    Contrary to the way in which this myth is told, I don't see Persephone as a "kidnap victim" — and reading the myth this way I think muddles the deeper meaning of her story. Rather, I suspect Persephone went willingly, and perhaps the truth of this old tale was lost in translation long ago. The time was ripe for Persephone to shed her old life; and it was her mother, the Goddess Demeter, who couldn't let go, and suffered for it, not Persephone. Persephone's story may be a distorted fragment of an older myth, one of a dark female agricultural figure of death and rebirth. Persephone has to sacrifice her protected life with mother because she has outgrown it. It's time to move on. She releases her past and steps into the unknown future. And for her courage, Persephone is transformed from maid into the Queen of Darkness, co-ruler of the Underworld, certainly not a victim, slave or mere wife.
    This is an important distinction because Persephone is such a potent Scorpionic symbol of regenerative power. The painting shown above, by the French artist Charles-Joseph Natoire, depicts Persephone as the empowered, enthroned Queen of the Underworld sitting quite contentedly next to Hades as his equal. She is wise, powerful, and in the painting is giving Psyche l'elixir de beauté. Psyche had been sent by a jealous Venus to the Underworld on what Venus had hoped would be a "wild goose chase" that would end in Psyche's death. But that's another story....

    According to the Roman poet Ovid, in his Metamorphoses, it was the nymph Arethusa who first reported to Demeter that Persephone was in the Underworld. Until then, she had been searching the world without pause for her missing daughter. Spring failed to arrive each year and famine had spread throughout the world. Ovid wrote that while traveling in her stream below the earth, Arethusa saw Persephone sitting on her throne as the queen of Hades. On hearing this, Demeter immediately got in her chariot and flew to Mt. Olympus to demand that Zeus return her daughter:
    "... That she has been stolen, I will bear, if only he will bring her back; for your daughter does not deserve to have a robber for a husband."
    To which Zeus replied:
    "... If only we are willing to give right names to things, this is no harm that has been done, but only love ... But if you so greatly desire to separate them, Persephone shall return to heaven, but on one condition only: if in the lower-world no food has as yet touched her lips. For so have the Moerae decreed."
    But it was too late, for Persephone had already eaten those pomegranate seeds, and because of this she had to stay in the Underworld. Yet Hades generously relinquished Persephone for part of the year — even when he did not have to — for as the Fates decreed, she was stuck there forever. In the Homer's Hymn to Demeter, there is an interesting passage where Hades speaks to Persephone, and from this we get a pretty good picture that Persephone was no powerless victim, but indeed a revered Queen:
    "... And while you are here, you shall rule all that lives and moves and shall have the greatest rights among the deathless gods: those who defraud you and do not appease your power with offerings, reverently performing rites and paying fit gifts, shall be punished for evermore."
    The myth of Persephone's abduction and return is allegorical and illuminates her role as the personification of the renewal of life each spring, life that springs from the seeds of the earth and withdraws back again after the autumn harvest with the seeds for next spring. Persephone was a vegetation goddess, and along with her mother were the central figures of the Eleusinian mysteries that predated the Olympian pantheon.
    And so the Scorpio cycle symbolizes this same "descent" — the time when we are called to do the same, or rather symbolically the same: to face what is rotting in our lives, what is dead and dying and let it go, release it. The Scorpio cycle works much like a composter with the discarded, stale contents of our lives. Under cover of winter, what we release is transformed into gold: rich black earth for the seeds of spring. It's the necessary counterpart to vernal gestation, this Scorpionic creation of a fertile ground that supports new life. Persephone goes to the Underworld for six months of the year, embracing her darkness, but she reemerges, transformed and renewed as the May Queen, the Goddess of Spring, every year.
    Scorpio cycles aren't limited to intense, life-or-death issues though. It can be a time to just simply take out the proverbial trash: deal with the clutter and stale air that has been accumulating in your life. Every gardener knows that in order to harvest more fruit, you have to prune your trees every winter. Releasing can be as simple as no longer returning the phone call of someone who — if you are "Scorpishly" honest about it — detracts rather than contributes to your life. It can mean facing where you play the victim and thus lose your power in certain relationships, and stopping that nonsense once and for all; or owning up to the fact that you are sometimes sneaky and manipulative rather than direct, clear and honest. It can be delivering a long overdue message of love, or telling someone who has hurt you the painful truth. It can even be something fun like gathering up all the drab, unhappy clothes in your closet, along with that chipped mug, and carting it all off to the Goodwill. It can be having the courage to start therapy in order to face some deep wounds from the past that still haunt you.

    All you can learn is what your own inward life is and try to stay loyal to that. We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us. The old skin has to be shed before the new one can come.
    — Joseph Campbell

    Scorpio is the only sign to have three symbols — scorpion, eagle, and phoenix — a trinity of transformation. The phoenix is the mythical bird of Arabia, lost in the fire, yet arose from the ashes shiny and new, an ancient alchemical symbol of rebirth. The flames are purification, the burning of the dross — which can be an awful ordeal, exactly like burning in the fires of Hell.
    What we give up, though, is the cost of our transformation, and what makes it hard is the degree to which you or someone else in your life — like Persephone's mother — is holding on and cannot let go. We sacrifice to make room for greater things, but it requires sometimes a powerful act of courage and a willingness to step into the unknown.
    And this, for me, is the meaning and inspiration of Persephone's story and the Scorpio cycle. After all, the planetary co-ruler of Scorpio, along with courageous Mars, is Pluto, God of the Underworld — or Hades as he was called by the Greeks.

    The Scorpio archetype closely correlates with the Tarot card, Death, shown here from the Rider-Waite deck. On the card we see Death depicted as a skeleton in armor riding a white horse.

    Death has already trampled a king and approaches a child, young woman, and a bishop begging to be spared — but no one is immune to Death no matter how powerful, pious or young. On Death's banner is the five-petaled white rose, which according to occultist Eden Gray is a symbol for the life-force and Mars, Scorpio's traditional ruler. The rose also carries the meaning of purity and heavenly passion: transmutation and spiritual perfection, it is an ancient symbol for spiritual joy. While most of us today equate the rose with love, it carries all of these meanings. The rose is also an emblem of secrecy. This is where the Latin term sub rosa, literally "under the rose," arose. When secret societies met in medieval times, this flower was hung from the ceiling to remind members that what was being discussed was to be held in strict confidence, it was knowledge for initiates only.
    The river in the background of the card flows out to the sea, representing the transmuting nature of life: water evaporates into vapor, condenses into clouds, which then rains down as water once more. Matter is never lost, it only changes its form. In turn, Death is the closing of one door so another can open, putting the past behind us to embrace the new day. In the distance on the Eastern horizon, the Sun is rising. Death symbolizes the renewal that comes from release, its larger meaning. An ending yes, but also a new beginning.

    Scorpio Keywords: Magnetic, Powerful, Deep, Intense, Penetrating, Obsessive
    Famous Scorpios (in no particular order): Pablo Picasso, Joni Mitchell, K. D. Lang, Kurt Vonnegut, Sojourner Truth, Theodore Roosevelt, Aaron Copland, Anne Tyler, Albert Camus, Carl Sagan, Charles de Gaulle, Charles Manson, Claude Monet, Condoleezza Rice, Bill Gates, Bjork, Dick Clark, Dylan Thomas, Ezra Pound, Ethan Hawke, Evelyn Waugh, Gerard Butler, Grace Kelly, Goldie Hawn, Howard Dean, Indira Ghandi, John Adams, John Cleese, John Keats, Johnny Mercer, Jonas Salk, Leonardo Dicaprio, Margaret Atwood, Marianne Moore, Marie Curie, Martin Scorsese, Marlene Dietrich, Owen Wilson, Peter Jackson, Richard Burton, Roy Rogers, Sally Field, Scarlett Johansson, Ted Turner, Vivien Leigh, Will Rogers
    Gemstones: Topaz, Malachite, Apache Tear, Boji Stone, Emerald, Garnet, Herkimer Diamond, Obsidian, Rhodochrosite, Ruby
    Colors: dark red and black

    The Serenity Prayer is, I think, particularly helpful at this Scorpio time of year, especially this year with the North Node of the Moon, Saturn, Mercury and now the Sun all traveling through this sign of deep transformative power.
    But letting go of what no longer works in our lives and what we have outgrown can be a supremely difficult and scary task. Fixed, Pluto- and Mars-ruled Scorpio does not give up until it has exhausted its search for the deeper truth and sometimes that search can border on unhealthy obsession. Keeping a detached perspective can be difficult, especially now, and this simple prayer is a helpful reminder of the importance of knowing that place "where angels fear to tread" and those times in life when it is a much wiser to let it go, and release it to a higher power:
    God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. The courage to change the things I can. And the wisdom to know the difference.
    http://www.bluemoon.bz/astrology/sun-ingress/scorpio/


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    Post  Didymos on Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:45 am


    Shiloh, October 24th, 2013
    [11:26:32 AM-Friday, October 25th, 2013 +11UCT] Shiloh: I did not see her leave
    [11:26:51 AM] Shiloh: She must have blocked something
    [11:43:47 AM] Shiloh: 10:39 am October 24th my time
    [11:44:18 AM] Shiloh: October 23rd - October 25th is the code of the 3 days of darkness
    [11:45:37 AM] Shiloh:

    Revelation 16:10-21
    King James Version (KJV)
    10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
    11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

    This is October 23rd, say in an inversion under chaos

    12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    This is is October 24th, kinda fits and describes absorption of something in contraction

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
    19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
    21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

    [11:47:24 AM] Shiloh: This is today, October 25th as the last day and the formation of a new cosmic ID

    [11:48:24 AM] Shiloh: The Armageddon gathering so coincides with her leaving this chat
    [12:07:27 PM] Sirius 17: interesting yes, i am cooking a curry dish atm hopefully it will be done soon; she said nothing to you? Before she left
    [12:16:29 PM] Shiloh: Nope and I had some weird dreams
    [12:17:04 PM] Sirius 17: what did you dream?
    [12:17:22 PM] Shiloh: I had a new core, sort of
    [12:17:34 PM] Shiloh: It was someone very famous lol
    [12:17:42 PM] Sirius 17: madonna? lol
    [12:17:48 PM] Shiloh: YES
    [12:17:53 PM] Sirius 17: god i am good huh
    [12:17:59 PM] Shiloh: How tf did you know?
    [12:18:08 PM] Shiloh: It was very real
    [12:18:09 PM] Sirius 17: cuz i am that good
    [12:18:14 PM] Shiloh: I am amazed
    [12:18:16 PM] Sirius 17: i know things lol
    [12:18:26 PM] Sirius 17: ok weird story for you
    [12:18:37 PM] Sirius 17: about a week ago i was looking at her nude pics on google
    [12:18:40 PM] Shiloh: So this proves to me that this means something
    [12:18:44 PM] Sirius 17: and i saw something there
    [12:18:49 PM] Sirius 17: when she was younger you know
    [12:18:52 PM] Shiloh: really?
    [12:19:04 PM] Sirius 17: yes and it reminded me of what we saw in dd
    [12:19:18 PM] Sirius 17: and i sat there and tried to figure out wf it was
    [12:19:34 PM] Sirius 17: this was when i posted the madonna stuff remember
    [12:19:36 PM] Sirius 17: the video
    [12:19:38 PM] Sirius 17: and all that
    [12:19:39 PM] Shiloh: No
    [12:19:51 PM] Shiloh: But this dream also related to a 'bet'
    [12:20:12 PM] Shiloh: Some ticket where the number was 2 and the horses name was Emeth but a female
    [12:20:45 PM] Shiloh: It then won the race but became number 4 or 5 and I wondered if I had to protest to the betting company
    [12:20:50 PM] Shiloh: This was agfterwards
    [12:21:18 PM] Sirius 17: lol you and your horse betting
    [12:21:20 PM] Shiloh: But Madonna was with me and like 'started to fall in love' and I did not believe this
    [12:21:38 PM] Shiloh: We had one argument, when she asked about my income
    [12:21:45 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [12:21:47 PM] Shiloh: I said it is irrelevant
    [12:21:55 PM] Sirius 17: and she said?
    [12:22:10 PM] Shiloh: But I knew it was her and that she had all the money anyone would ever need. She accepted my point and changed the subject or whatever
    [12:22:34 PM] Sirius 17: hmmm yes i just wonder why she asked is all and so what do you think this means? Could she be your core Tony?
    [12:23:27 PM] Sirius 17: would be a trip if it were lol
    [12:23:45 PM] Shiloh: Nono
    [12:23:49 PM] Shiloh: BUT
    [12:24:00 PM] Shiloh: Madonna is MI of course and my CJ as MM
    [12:24:34 PM] Shiloh: The number mixup means like 2 or 11 changes to something else
    [12:24:41 PM] Shiloh: It IS the New cosmic ID
    [12:26:05 PM] Shiloh: Madonna=62=Magdalene=Queen
    [12:26:17 PM] Shiloh: 26 backwards as DOG=GOD
    [12:26:40 PM] Shiloh: But actually I dont know the deeper meanings here
    [12:27:09 PM] Shiloh: 38=11=Bride and DD's number
    [12:27:18 PM] Shiloh: But then 44=Elder=8=62 as well
    [12:27:35 PM] Sirius 17: right hmm that is strange
    [12:27:49 PM] Shiloh: I dont know and there are still 10 days to go
    [12:27:52 PM] Sirius 17: i am checking on curry again
    [12:28:29 PM] Shiloh: Now tell me what you feel about Madonna when you felt this
    [12:28:45 PM] Shiloh: My intuition is not strong enough
    [12:38:31 PM] Sirius 17: i just wished that dd were more like her
    [12:38:37 PM] Sirius 17: and that she was your core instead
    [12:39:19 PM] Shiloh: Weird
    [12:39:31 PM] Sirius 17: more like her in the sense that even though she is the 'material' girl she is no longer ignorant you know...to the world and its BS
    [12:39:41 PM] Shiloh: yes
    [12:39:56 PM] Shiloh: kabbalah friendly though the nabs way
    [12:40:16 PM] Sirius 17: yes but this is the zohar you know
    [12:40:23 PM] Shiloh: It is just strange that you would get an impresion over this
    [12:40:24 PM] Sirius 17: she carries a copy of it with her always
    [12:40:38 PM] Shiloh: It was clearly her
    [12:40:45 PM] Sirius 17: and Madonna has catholic upbringing
    [12:40:51 PM] Sirius 17: as you might know
    [12:40:58 PM] Shiloh: Yes Italiano
    [12:41:03 PM] Sirius 17: yes, so yeah this is really strange to me too. I was wishing she could be your core and how would it be if madonna was privy to the 'insider' info like us and what she would then be like
    [12:42:05 PM] Shiloh: Well she is my age plus or minus 1
    [12:42:17 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [12:42:19 PM] Shiloh: I dont know
    [12:42:26 PM] Sirius 17: i dont either dear
    [12:42:31 PM] Shiloh: What it means actually
    [12:42:58 PM] Shiloh: I added this to the chart
    [12:43:19 PM] Sirius 17: what?
    [12:43:45 PM] Shiloh: Those 3½ days
    [12:43:48 PM] Sirius 17: omg i am a good cook lol
    [12:43:53 PM] Shiloh: It relates to this you see
    [12:44:00 PM] Sirius 17: this curry is the bomb
    [12:44:09 PM] Sirius 17: oh i look at it
    [12:44:11 PM] Sirius 17: on spruz
    [12:45:48 PM] Shiloh:

    Revelation 6:8
     And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.


    [12:46:08 PM] Shiloh: It is a third everywhere else
    [12:47:37 PM] Sirius 17: yes i saw this
    [12:47:44 PM] Sirius 17: and the astro stuff too
    [12:51:09 PM] Shiloh: Yes it fits with the Death Tarot card
    [12:51:20 PM] Sirius 17: yes transformation
    [12:51:39 PM] Sirius 17: and yeah i can identify with all of it
    [12:52:08 PM] Shiloh: it is a precarious time
    [12:52:15 PM] Sirius 17: i am feeling ok today, had some trouble breathing this morning though
    [12:52:27 PM] Shiloh: It should improve from now on
    [12:52:45 PM] Shiloh: The tail of the Ouroboros catches its head today; closing the Circle of the Behemoth-Leviathan in Job
    [12:54:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes i saw that, i thought it was on the 26th
    [12:55:37 PM] Shiloh: The 25th is the 1st day of the end, say the Old HeavenHell and the 26th is the 1st day of the New HeavenHell as the AlphaOmega sabbath yes
    [12:56:01 PM] Sirius 17: but i can see this is like your squaring the circle pythagorus stuff too right
    [12:56:28 PM] Shiloh: Yes, you could say this is a form of 'Squaring the Circle'
    [12:56:33 PM] Sirius 17: this is it the scorpio wand more or less arcing its way through the mazzaroth
    [12:57:03 PM] Shiloh: It is all related to the final 8 weeks to the Rainbow Covenant
    [12:57:09 PM] Sirius 17: hailing the appearance of ophiuchus
    [12:57:19 PM] Shiloh: Starting September 10th and ending November 5th
    [12:57:23 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [12:57:54 PM] Shiloh: As the Palm-Sunday to Whit-Sunday timewarp; Ophiuchus is November 22nd-23rd as the Scorpio-Sagittarius cusp and as the mirror image of for the Taurus-Gemini cusp May 21st-22nd the Arachne 14th sign say
    [12:58:59 PM] Sirius 17: yes i know god i can't think of the name of the chart its on either; something pythagorian i used to have all these charts on my old computer, its buried someplace in spruz
    [1:12:59 PM] Sirius 17: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150090122379095&set=a.10150090058849095.284051.528974094&type=3&theater


    [1:13:22 PM] Sirius 17: this one the stargates of israel in the octogon of pythagoras
    [1:13:40 PM] Sirius 17: your drawing on the chart reminded me of this
    [1:13:49 PM] Sirius 17: sorry it took me so long to find it
    [1:14:17 PM] Sirius 17: i was searching my computer first thinking i had it
    [1:14:23 PM] Sirius 17: i knew i had it someplace lol
    [1:15:01 PM] Shiloh: It is interesting to compare the Tarot 13-14-15-16 to the Egyptian Cartouche
    [1:15:15 PM] Shiloh: I will add this to the post
    [1:15:40 PM] Shiloh: Yes the Octagon chart depicts the 13th starsign
    [1:16:01 PM] Sirius 17: yes well i thought you were referring to this in your little diagram on the new chart
    [1:17:31 PM] Sirius 17: i wish i knew what the hell your dream means
    [1:17:47 PM] Sirius 17: i think it is important
    [1:20:37 PM] Shiloh: So do I
    [1:20:54 PM] Shiloh: It is important for the ment-ment template for all cores
    [1:27:45 PM] Sirius 17: where are you posting?
    [1:28:03 PM] Shiloh: spruz and the letters
    [1:30:15 PM] Sirius 17: you know you should say something to Rok and Xeia
    [1:30:20 PM] Sirius 17: in core
    [1:30:31 PM] Sirius 17: i think they are waiting for you to come on
    [1:30:41 PM] Sirius 17: and your hiding lol
    [1:30:49 PM] Shiloh: I will when they talk to you there
    [1:31:01 PM] Shiloh: I am looking for those cards
    [1:31:12 PM] Sirius 17: oh ok


    [1:31:12 PM] http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=B5F83661-8D17-4903-99A2-A9A4F8BBD6E0

    [1:56:34 PM] Shiloh: I edited and now you can see the correlation between the:
    [1:57:27 PM] Shiloh: 1. Waters of the Murkiness of Scorpio transforming into the Eage-Phoenix of the metamorphosis of the human caterpillar into the starhuman butterfly
    [1:57:49 PM] Shiloh: 2. Earth of the Temperance in the 'mixing of the waters' by the 'cosmic watchers' or observers
    [1:58:07 PM] Shiloh: 3. Sirius or ET connect to the Devil as the harmonisations of the oppositions in a new nondual perception
    [1:58:33 PM] Shiloh: 4. Lotus as the 'Home of the Elements' connect to the Tower of Destruction as the 'Fall of Babylon' as the false image 'Whore=69=Jehovah' of Old Jerusalem-Barbelo
    [1:58:55 PM] Shiloh: For the timeline of the 3½ days of metaphysical darkness from October 22nd to October 26th, 2013
    [2:06:36 PM] Sirius 17: where is the edit again?
    [2:06:40 PM] Sirius 17: sorry i was cleaning up
    [2:06:56 PM] Sirius 17: my kitchen was a disaster after the curry
    [2:11:30 PM] Sirius 17: oh ok i see it
    [2:12:25 PM] Sirius 17: yes i like these egyptian cards
    [2:13:11 PM] Sirius 17: in Tarot, the tower is more like the real death card
    [2:13:23 PM] Sirius 17: if i see it in someones reading it means serious shi20
    [2:14:02 PM] Sirius 17: because it means like earth shattering change ususally
    [2:14:07 PM] Sirius 17: clean slate
    [2:14:34 PM] Sirius 17: depending on how it is aspected to other cards it could mean serious health problems or even death
    [2:14:35 PM] Shiloh: yes and its 13-14-15-16 as the 3½ days of darkness
    [2:14:59 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i see how you have them
    [2:15:36 PM] Sirius 17: the tower is not always bad but it definately indicates ground breaking changes
    [2:15:49 PM] Sirius 17: something so radical and unexpected
    [2:15:58 PM] Sirius 17: i hate that card lol
    [2:16:11 PM] Sirius 17: think of a bolt of lightening through your brain
    [2:16:20 PM] Sirius 17: it gives me chills
    [2:16:28 PM] Shiloh: I like the card
    [2:16:29 PM] Sirius 17: and i mean a real one
    [2:16:49 PM] Shiloh: I dont particularly like the Old World and its human mindedness
    [2:17:31 PM] Sirius 17: well the times i have seen it in a negative aspect in someones reading they died or someone they knew died
    [2:17:39 PM] Sirius 17: i seriously hate that card
    [2:17:46 PM] Sirius 17: for that reason
    [2:18:02 PM] Shiloh: Egyptian #14 is the Thoth-Earth-Pyramid sequence as 5-14-23


    [2:18:19 PM] Sirius 17: it has only happend a few times but it was enough that it freaks me out
    [2:18:56 PM] Shiloh: Well the dreams do indicate this, as does the 'one left and one taken' code in Matthew and in the GOT
    [2:19:05 PM] Sirius 17: yes i know
    [2:19:46 PM] Sirius 17: i am not afraid of death, but i sure hate to see anyone die
    [2:20:10 PM] Sirius 17: its just such a waste
    [2:20:10 PM] Shiloh: It refers to the old seed dying to become a new seed
    [2:20:39 PM] Sirius 17: yes and i also know what Jesus said about loosing your old life to gain a new one
    [2:20:42 PM] Sirius 17: i get it
    [2:20:49 PM] Sirius 17: fine with me
    [2:21:09 PM] Sirius 17: the old world has nothing for us anyhow
    [2:21:50 PM] Shiloh:

    1 Corinthians 15:35-37
    35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
    36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
    37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:


    [2:22:35 PM] Sirius 17: yes related to the one in the GOT also about the man round about the lamb

    (60) a Samaritan carrying a lamb on his way to Judea. He said to his disciples, "That man is round about the lamb."
    They said to him, "So that he may kill it and eat it."
    He said to them, "While it is alive, he will not eat it, but only when he has killed it and it has become a corpse."
    They said to him, "He cannot do so otherwise."
    He said to them, "You too, look for a place for yourself within repose, lest you become a corpse and be eaten."


    [2:24:13 PM] Sirius 17: lol number 60=WORD also
    [2:24:21 PM] Sirius 17: the Alpha and Omega
    [2:25:27 PM] Shiloh: Yes and 60=30+30 as the two parts of the Bread imaged and mirrored in each other
    [2:25:33 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [2:25:37 PM] Sirius 17: the barley and the rye
    [2:25:59 PM] Shiloh: The Wheat and the Chaff
    [2:26:12 PM] Sirius 17: that too
    [2:26:25 PM] Shiloh: The valuable cosmically and the dross to be thrown away or burnt to ashes for the Phoenix to rise from
    [2:27:08 PM] Sirius 17:

    Ezekiel 4:9
    9 Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.


    [2:28:04 PM] Sirius 17: what is this one related to Tony?
    [2:28:26 PM] Sirius 17: 390 days i know
    [2:28:38 PM] Sirius 17: but what else
    [2:28:59 PM] Shiloh: Yes it relates to the 'feeding of the multitudes' with the 'manna from heaven'
    [2:29:03 PM] Sirius 17: it is good bread btw
    [2:29:11 PM] Sirius 17: if you actually make it lol
    [2:30:09 PM] Shiloh: The 390 days are the Ezekielian Left Siege of Israel AND the preparation of the four angels of Euphrates, which hold the four winds of destruction and visitation at check until those 390 days are completed
    [2:30:32 PM] Sirius 17: ah ok
    [2:30:59 PM] Shiloh: The date is September 9th-10th, 2013
    [2:31:39 PM] Shiloh: 99 and 100 days before the fulfilment of the Euphrates prophecy
    [2:32:10 PM] Shiloh: It is also encoded in the Dead Sea Scrolls
    [2:32:14 PM] Sirius 17: yes and i remember talking to you about lying on the left and right sides of the bed, James and I
    [2:32:18 PM] Sirius 17: and how we have switched
    [2:32:19 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [2:39:46 PM] Sirius 17:

    Gavriel Navarro
    Lost on a white tuberose

    How could I tell you I am sad,
    that I miss so much your smile,
    the glow of your light blue eyes,
    the thick perfume of your soul
    pouring sweetly over your voice,
    while I love you in my silence
    beyond desire with no return,
    caring on my lips the warmth
    of your taste, rooted within me.
    As to say so many things sublime
    stored within the pain in my chest,
    that my heart is one ripped rose
    crying blood and honey petals.
    How to remove the gap of absence
    in this outpouring purplish river,
    calling you with the power of agony
    and thus do not let you go this noon
    when the sun shines on this love
    Lost on a white tuberose....
    Gavriel Navarro© 2013

    [2:40:02 PM] Sirius 17: he is getting pretty good with his poetry
    [2:40:08 PM] Sirius 17: i thought i would share
    [2:40:35 PM] Sirius 17: Barbara and Andrew invited him to our poetry group and this is what he just posted
    [2:41:23 PM] Shiloh: yes its good
    [2:42:18 PM] Sirius 17:

    Gavriel Navarro
    Mutism

    To whom could I ask
    why bodies transmute
    enlightened of intellect
    dissolved beneath the land.
    Today I ask for an extension
    while you get used
    to the sound of my absence
    under my silence.
    I am no longer that blurry man
    that the earth swallowed.
    I am infinite substance
    Twilight and Shadow
    Abyss and rock salt
    undiluted in time...
    Gavriel Navarro© 2013

    [2:42:23 PM] Sirius 17: he posted this one yesterday
    [2:42:54 PM] Sirius 17: i like it too
    [2:43:23 PM] Sirius 17: i always liked Gav, haunted soul he is
    [2:43:32 PM] Sirius 17: deeply emotional
    [2:43:59 PM] Sirius 17: i appreciate his artistry with words and his depth
    [2:44:25 PM] Sirius 17: it was strange his role with us
    [2:44:35 PM] Sirius 17: and 44
    [2:45:22 PM] Sirius 17: so many misunderstandings that were not necessary
    [2:45:31 PM] Sirius 17: it does feel like we are turning new pages
    [2:45:37 PM] Sirius 17: can you feel it?
    [2:45:49 PM] Sirius 17: like maybe they can see things now
    [2:45:53 PM] Sirius 17: like mudra
    [2:46:08 PM] Shiloh: One can only hope so
    [2:46:13 PM] Sirius 17: aye
    [2:46:16 PM] Sirius 17: i do hope so
    [2:47:03 PM] Sirius 17: do you think 44 will come back?
    [2:47:10 PM] Shiloh: I dont know
    [2:47:51 PM] Shiloh: Can she become Lassie or not? This is the question for me and the MILD
    [2:48:08 PM] Sirius 17: i am sad
    [2:48:14 PM] Shiloh: If not she is free from us and all things Thuban and the Logos
    [2:48:40 PM] Sirius 17: its so sad to me that she couldn't just talk to us like she did you that one day...the whole two years
    [2:48:50 PM] Sirius 17: what we could of all done
    [2:48:57 PM] Sirius 17: and became
    [2:49:06 PM] Shiloh: She is Nabs fuc11ed to the extreme and now by the Barbara Marciniak Nabs
    [2:49:22 PM] Shiloh: 'Clan mothers from the Pleiadeans', come on
    [2:49:29 PM] Sirius 17: i think she left because she was sad about Xeia and Rok meeting
    [2:49:52 PM] Shiloh: BM has some nice points and I have a few books from her, but overall it is just more Nabs
    [2:49:58 PM] Sirius 17: i dont know i just get a feeling that she wishes that it could be you and her but is too stuborn to say her deepest wish
    [2:50:04 PM] Sirius 17: too fuc11ing stuborn
    [2:50:06 PM] Sirius 17: it is so sad
    [2:50:23 PM] Shiloh: One can only try to fathom
    [2:50:42 PM] Sirius 17: i dont either but this is what i felt
    [2:50:51 PM] Sirius 17: maybe i am wishfully thinking
    [2:50:55 PM] Shiloh: Perhaps
    [2:51:41 PM] Sirius 17: yes she has been totally highjacked by the nabs for sure
    [2:52:01 PM] Sirius 17: there will be no more answers there for her
    [2:52:07 PM] Sirius 17: only emptyness
    [2:52:18 PM] Sirius 17: she can't see this yet
    [2:52:34 PM] Sirius 17: it can't be long now though
    [2:52:44 PM] Sirius 17: the world is so empty
    [2:53:05 PM] Sirius 17: i can't even bear to look at our news here
    [2:53:13 PM] Sirius 17: everyday another atrocity
    [2:53:23 PM] Sirius 17: another shooting
    [2:53:27 PM] Sirius 17: this time the children
    [2:53:31 PM] Sirius 17: wild guns
    [2:53:50 PM] Sirius 17: day after day of this emptiness
    [2:54:25 PM] Sirius 17: you cannot look to the nabs for answers when this kind of shi20 permeates the world
    [2:54:36 PM] Sirius 17: and go tralalala
    [2:54:48 PM] Sirius 17: its not fuc11ing funny
    [2:54:59 PM] Sirius 17: its gross beyond gross
    [2:55:36 PM] Sirius 17: but go ahead and go to your nabs conventions and pay your money for some BS artist to tell you what it is all about
    [2:55:50 PM] Sirius 17: buy your books and your crystals and your DVDs
    [2:55:57 PM] Shiloh: It would be funny, were it not so sad indeed
    [2:56:03 PM] Sirius 17: ignore the emptiness around you
    2:56:42 PM] Sirius 17: the whole lot of them are living in LA LA land
    [2:56:58 PM] Sirius 17: oh we'll just wait for the rapture
    [2:57:10 PM] Shiloh: It will be a long wait
    [2:57:15 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [2:57:34 PM] Sirius 17: the crows are gathering in big flocks now
    [2:57:43 PM] Sirius 17: carrion feast
    [2:57:51 PM] Shiloh: As written
    [2:58:20 PM] Shiloh: The 'alchemical wedding feast and supepr of the lamb, when all the fowls of heaven are gathered
    [2:59:46 PM] Shiloh:

    Revelation 19:17-21
    17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
    18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
    19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
    20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


    [3:00:36 PM] Sirius 17: amen lol
    [3:01:11 PM] Sirius 17: i did see the largest murder of crows ever flying overhead yesterday
    [3:01:15 PM] Sirius 17: it was thousands
    [3:01:40 PM] Sirius 17: i have seen them before in the fall but not this many
    [3:01:47 PM] Sirius 17: it was quite a site to behold
    [3:01:50 PM] Shiloh: It is the new jurisdiction from the highest realms, no matter what the nabsers and the skeptics make of it
    [3:02:03 PM] Sirius 17: i smiled
    [3:02:08 PM] Sirius 17: i knew what it meant
    [3:02:57 PM] Sirius 17: it made me happy inside to see them
    [3:02:59 PM] Shiloh: The Ravens de Noah flying towards the Rainbow Covenant
    [3:03:04 PM] Sirius 17: aye
    [3:03:16 PM] Sirius 17: the new land
    [3:03:27 PM] Sirius 17: they are flying to claim it
    [3:04:34 PM] Shiloh: Yes, because the insider observer can look through the deception facade of the human mind created Devil as the Lived - displaced by the face of the Logos
    [3:05:27 PM] Shiloh: The Janus of new beginnings
    [3:05:51 PM] Shiloh: Iow, Abba has opened the gate of the Baab
    [3:06:06 PM] Shiloh: The Goddess is leaving her cocoon
    [3:06:13 PM] Shiloh: Madonna again
    [3:06:35 PM] Shiloh: 62=Queen=Magdalene=Madonna and she is both black and white
    [3:07:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [3:08:29 PM] Shiloh: Once the new jurisprudence exists and the 'Words of Jesus' are fulfilled, then the Earth goddess herself will become executor of this new legislature
    [3:09:02 PM] Shiloh: And this will become cosmic law from November 5th, 2013
    [3:09:25 PM] Shiloh: No Nabs or conspiracy theories required
    [3:10:03 PM] Shiloh: It will all manifest naturally in a new track and path taken by the entire cosmos evolving as a reconfigured omni-verse


    [3:11:39 PM] Sirius 17:

    [3:11:43 PM] Sirius 17: can you watch this one?
    [3:12:45 PM] Sirius 17:
    Tracklist:
    00:00 - 03:00 Animal
    03:01 - 05:57 Set The Right
    05:58 - 09:01 Is This Love? (Bon d'Accord)
    09:02 - 12:09 I'm In Love With Love
    12:10 - 14:58 Keep The Trance
    14:59 - 19:44 History (Land of the Free)
    19:45 - 23:34 (Traveling) Across The Sky
    23:35 - 28:25 Broken (Don't U Feel Sorry)
    28:26 - 31:54 Triggering (Your Senses)
    31:55 - 35:37 Revenge
    35:38 - 39:47 Like An Angel Passing Through My Room (ABBA Cover)
    39:48 - 44:15 Liquid Love
    Bonus Track:
    44:16 - 49:22 No Substitute For Love
    Category-Entertainment

    [3:12:50 PM] Sirius 17: this is the playlist
    [3:13:35 PM] Shiloh: Well she was very cosy indeed and really desired my attentions lol. He back and skin was so smooth
    [3:13:49 PM] Sirius 17: its just so weird i was thinking how would it be if she met you for real
    [3:14:08 PM] Sirius 17: she is seeking i know that
    [3:14:09 PM] Shiloh: Oh we clicked , she even said so
    [3:14:17 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [3:14:19 PM] Sirius 17: i am sure
    [3:14:37 PM] Shiloh: She said something like: "This is why we understand each other so well..."
    [3:14:43 PM] Sirius 17: indeed
    [3:14:53 PM] Sirius 17: i know she would so get us
    [3:15:08 PM] Shiloh: Who knows, I always liked her energy and love sharing her too
    [3:15:09 PM] Sirius 17: i see her as a Thuban
    [3:15:28 PM] Sirius 17: even though she doesn't know about us likely
    [3:15:30 PM] Shiloh: But one must 'have something', before one can share it lol
    [3:15:31 PM] Sirius 17: higher D she does
    [3:16:09 PM] Sirius 17: lol well if your ever going to meet her it will have to be the Logos that does it
    [3:17:28 PM] Sirius 17: she would make a remarkable whore of Jesus though, wouldn't she?
    [3:17:31 PM] Sirius 17: haha
    [3:17:41 PM] Sirius 17: she is a rebel
    [3:18:06 PM] Shiloh: Oh she would be a magnificent New Jerusalem
    [3:18:35 PM] Shiloh: She is ageless and seemed eternal in my dream
    [3:18:49 PM] Sirius 17: yes and sexy as you are
    [3:18:56 PM] Shiloh: I wish
    [3:19:15 PM] Shiloh: Well she saw no 'lackings' in me as others do
    [3:19:25 PM] Sirius 17: you are that sexy dear
    [3:19:27 PM] Sirius 17: we all are
    [3:19:31 PM] Shiloh: Yes, as dragons we are
    [3:19:57 PM] Sirius 17: yes well the 'others' are looking with human eyes
    [3:20:28 PM] Sirius 17: lol how weird Tony
    [3:20:34 PM] Sirius 17: for you to dream of Madonna
    [3:20:46 PM] Shiloh: I know and it was lucid
    [3:21:07 PM] Sirius 17: but you know if the Logos wanted a rockstar it would pick someone like her lol
    [3:21:10 PM] Shiloh: I could not believe, that she wanted me
    [3:21:25 PM] Sirius 17: why?
    [3:21:30 PM] Sirius 17: your hot
    [3:22:05 PM] Shiloh: In my dream, I simply was with her on a bed talking. But then it evolved into a partnership on her instigation not mine
    [3:23:29 PM] Sirius 17: but you know i was thinking along these lines yesterday infact....thinking to myself that we deserve to hit lotto and everything else only possible for the rich...all this should be possible now for us, why should we suffer anymore ? and then i was thinking that immortals don't suffer this world and its BS, we just rule it all.
    [3:23:55 PM] Shiloh: keep on dreaming; it might just eventuate
    [3:24:00 PM] Sirius 17: why not lol
    [3:24:11 PM] Shiloh: ? noT
    [3:24:16 PM] Sirius 17: this is how it could evolve you know
    [3:24:21 PM] Sirius 17: suddenly the poor people become rich
    [3:24:25 PM] Sirius 17: it flips
    [3:24:25 PM] Shiloh: 74=47
    [3:24:31 PM] Sirius 17: exactly
    [3:24:44 PM] Sirius 17: cosmic justice lol
    [3:24:53 PM] Sirius 17: this of course would be pure Logos
    [3:25:00 PM] Sirius 17: but can you imagine
    [3:25:09 PM] Shiloh: I have no expectations, but one can dream
    [3:25:13 PM] Sirius 17: being in the right place at the right time always lol
    [3:25:45 PM] Sirius 17: well it was sort of a vision and day dream
    [3:25:59 PM] Sirius 17: i don't expect anything either
    [3:26:27 PM] Shiloh: It is amazing and certainly no coincidence, but confirmation of something, that you felt this before I had this dream
    [3:26:31 PM] Sirius 17: but how funny i thought if an immortal hit lotto
    [3:26:51 PM] Sirius 17: cosmic justice indeed lol
    [3:27:01 PM] Sirius 17: well it must mean something
    [3:27:35 PM] Sirius 17: because those who have suffered have had enough
    [3:27:38 PM] Sirius 17: that includes us
    [3:27:44 PM] Shiloh: It does indeed
    [3:27:47 PM] Sirius 17: blessed is the man who has suffered and found life
    [3:27:50 PM] Sirius 17: you know? It is our turn!
    [3:28:24 PM] Sirius 17: but it somehow is not about the money
    [3:28:29 PM] Sirius 17: but the reward
    [3:28:41 PM] Shiloh: Well I was pleasantly surprised in this yes
    [3:29:14 PM] Sirius 17: and so it fits with Madonna not making it a big issue you had no money
    [3:29:24 PM] Sirius 17: it also sort of fits with my situation too
    [3:29:36 PM] Shiloh: Yes, just she addressing this was strange
    [3:29:43 PM] Sirius 17: James told me that he will take care of me even if i can't work again
    [3:30:01 PM] Sirius 17: its not about the money he said or someone taking care of him, but the love and the US as a team
    [3:30:52 PM] Sirius 17: he told me that he was not with me for any of that and if it means taking care of me to prove it he will
    [3:30:59 PM] Sirius 17: to prove he loves me
    [3:31:00 PM] Shiloh: This would be a cool hexcore indeed!
    [3:31:23 PM] Shiloh: Not many would say no to Madonna
    [3:31:26 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [3:31:35 PM] Sirius 17: i can't imagine no
    [3:32:59 PM] Sirius 17: anyhow, James made me cry when he said all this to me
    [3:33:28 PM] Sirius 17: because that is how i have felt about us all along you know
    [3:33:44 PM] Shiloh: This might also reflect in XeiaRok now
    [3:34:07 PM] Sirius 17: and we are the pearls
    [3:34:16 PM] Sirius 17: of great price
    [3:34:17 PM] Shiloh: As you say, the Logos and waves might integrate from the higher realms now in the JCCJ and the LoFaB
    [3:34:48 PM] Shiloh: We should put this on core
    [3:34:57 PM] Sirius 17: sure you paste it
    [3:35:00 PM] Sirius 17: i always have trouble
    [3:35:07 PM] Shiloh: Ok
    [3:37:07 PM] Sirius 17:

    "Broken (I'm Sorry)"
    (Don't you feel sorry, don't you feel sorry...)
    Broken like a crooked smile
    A little hunched over but I walked that mile
    I've woken from a fuzzy dream
    You never would believe the things that I have seen
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I'm right where the universe wants me to be
    A lesson that I needed to learn
    But that doesn't mean that it doesn't burn
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I won't change my story
    Don't take all my glory
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    Tied up with leather and rope
    A little bit of medicine to give me hope
    I'm inky like a smoking gun
    It's gonna take a while to heal the damage done
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I'm right where the universe wants me to be
    A lesson that I needed to learn (A lesson that I needed to learn)
    But that doesn't mean that it doesn't burn
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I won't change my story
    Don't take all my glory
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    (A lesson that I needed to learn)
    No pain, no gain, no defective parts
    No dirty business, no forgiveness, no broken heart
    (Don't you feel sorry)
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I won't change my story
    Don't take all my glory
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    'Cause I won't change my story
    Don't take all my glory
    Don't you feel sorry for me
    [3:39:50 PM] Sirius 17: Madonna
    "Like An Angel Passing Through My Room"
    Long awaited darkness falls
    Casting shadows on the walls
    In the twilight hour I am alone
    Sitting near the fireplace, dying embers warm my face
    In this peaceful solitude
    All the outside world subdued
    Everything comes back to me again
    In the gloom
    Like an angel passing through my room
    Half awake and half in dreams
    Seeing long forgotten scenes
    So the present runs into the past
    Now and then become entwined, playing games within my mind
    Like the embers as they die
    Love was one prolonged good-bye
    And it all comes back to me tonight
    In the gloom
    Like an angel passing through my room
    I close my eyes
    And my twilight images go by
    All too soon
    Like an angel passing through my room

    [3:40:16 PM] Sirius 17: these are all songs off of this album
    [3:40:25 PM] Sirius 17: well these two were interesting
    [3:40:28 PM] Sirius 17: they all are
    [3:47:22 PM] Sirius 17:


    [3:47:26 PM] Sirius 17: have you seen this?
    [3:49:00 PM] Shiloh: Fake photoshopped
    [3:49:40 PM] Sirius 17: yes i just found the symbology interesting
    [3:49:50 PM] Sirius 17: being escorted by two ET's lol
    [3:49:57 PM] Shiloh: Yes true
    [3:50:03 PM] Sirius 17: JCCJ
    [3:51:25 PM] Sirius 17: yes the NABS videos on this are prolific
    [3:52:33 PM] Shiloh: And the Nabsers fall for them
    [3:53:24 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2484p135-elementals-forgotten-maestros-of-manifestation
    [3:53:33 PM] Sirius 17: Brook doesn't feel welcome at the mists?
    [3:53:34 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [3:53:47 PM] Sirius 17: i wonder who talked her into coming back
    [3:55:14 PM] Shiloh: siriarc
    [3:56:25 PM] Sirius 17: oh yeah true i had not thought about him
    [3:58:09 PM] Sirius 17: lol Tony your sharing our entire convo on MOA?
    [3:59:08 PM] Sirius 17: trying to get Carol to ban us or what? lol
    [4:01:21 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus
    [4:01:28 PM] Sirius 17: you should add this in someplace
    [4:01:38 PM] Sirius 17: some of the images and explanation are good
    [4:01:56 PM] Sirius 17: goes with the octagon of pythagoras stuff too
    [4:02:11 PM] Shiloh: Iwas just about to end the 'sharing'
    [4:02:41 PM] Sirius 17: yes well it shows the serpent tamer is cosmic
    [4:02:49 PM] Sirius 17: written in the stars...
    [4:03:16 PM] Shiloh: It is a very important day Raven, when the Tail of the Ouroboros catches its Head or vice versal
    [4:03:38 PM] Sirius 17: yes checkmate lol
    [4:03:45 PM] Shiloh: I dont care if they ban us. This is just for the testimonial now approaching its end and completion
    [4:04:05 PM] Sirius 17: i know you don't, neither do i really
    [4:04:10 PM] Shiloh: I know
    [4:05:20 PM] Shiloh: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6814p15-letter-from-a-thuban-insider#97972
    [4:05:42 PM] Shiloh: And http://www.birthofgaia.com/t255-letter-from-a-thuban-insider#3598


    [11:48:34 AM - Sunday, October 27th, 2013 +11UCT]
    Shiloh: A Lion's Gate to the Cosmic Sun

    [11:48:55 AM] Shiloh: The offering of the old human body to the cosmic lover
    [11:49:10 AM] Sirius 17: Yes hotness
    [11:49:21 AM] Shiloh: Apollo and Artemis
    [11:49:41 AM] Shiloh: Sun God and Moon Goddess
    [11:50:03 AM] Shiloh: The gate is the Baab of the Yoni as the 'Buckle of Isis'
    [11:50:18 AM] Shiloh: Why I chose this pic
    [11:50:38 AM] Sirius 17: yeah its nice
    [11:50:39 AM] Shiloh: The seduction of the cosmic sun
    [11:50:54 AM] Shiloh: You can weave your own interpretations now
    [11:52:38 AM] Shiloh: So all 3 core templates will prevail and exist until the 'Hour' is up in any case
    [11:53:08 AM] Shiloh: I dont know what will be the case after Tuesday, Nov 3rd though
    [11:53:41 AM] Shiloh: This is when Ork is returning or thereabouts
    [11:53:56 AM] Sirius 17: yes i dont like him saying it is over
    [11:54:29 AM] Sirius 17: but maybe our old world roles are
    [11:54:31 AM] Sirius 17: over
    [11:54:40 AM] Shiloh: The way Devo treats him is indicative of the end of this relationship - in human eyes though
    [11:54:46 AM] Shiloh: Yes
    [11:55:20 AM] Sirius 17: yes she is protecting her old world life out of fear of jumping into the new
    [11:55:22 AM] Shiloh: The Ouroboros DID catch its own tail see - on the day of the chat
    [11:55:26 AM] Sirius 17: it is infact a leap of faith
    [11:55:33 AM] Sirius 17: some never jump
    [11:55:54 AM] Sirius 17: yes
    [11:56:49 AM] Shiloh: If this will grow into a real core, then this time now is like a cocooning period
    [11:57:10 AM] Shiloh: And all 3 YYYs are together and interwoven in this
    [11:57:16 AM] Shiloh: Until Nov 3rd
    [11:57:31 AM] Shiloh: There will be NO escape
    [11:58:04 AM] Shiloh: October 26th was the AlphaOmega Sabbath
    [11:58:15 AM] Shiloh: You see the significance now of this?
    [11:58:34 AM] Sirius 17: oh yeah and i feel it
    [11:59:06 AM] Shiloh: Yes, last thing I expected was to cam and talk to 44 sort of
    [11:59:29 AM] Shiloh: So no planning on my behalf
    [11:59:35 AM] Sirius 17: none of last night was really expected
    [11:59:56 AM] Sirius 17: but i really did feel that Devo felt better after we talked to her
    [12:00:26 PM] Shiloh: She seemed to come back to her senses
    [12:01:17 PM] Shiloh: Her 3 years of jealousy memes and her Nabs belief in this romance form of the New World caught up with her
    [12:01:35 PM] Sirius 17: you know i dont think they realise what the END really means
    [12:01:57 PM] Sirius 17:

    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
     Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."


    [12:02:09 PM] Shiloh: If JCCJ have interacted they CANNOT be separated anymore
    [12:02:21 PM] Sirius 17: nope
    [12:02:29 PM] Sirius 17: it is the BEGINING
    [12:02:31 PM] Shiloh: As said, this will then become the reconfig
    [12:02:35 PM] Shiloh: Yes of the New World using its generated blueprint cores
    [12:03:32 PM] Sirius 17: i am feeling much better physically today
    [12:03:49 PM] Shiloh: The old Eve going back to old Adam will trigger all sorts of regrets and ponderings from the deepest level of her soul
    [12:03:55 PM] Sirius 17: my strength is back more than it was before
    [12:04:01 PM] Shiloh: She forgot her own beingness
    [12:04:21 PM] Sirius 17: yes you are right, it will and she will be filled with regret
    [12:04:30 PM] Sirius 17: i hope this is not the path she takes
    [12:04:34 PM] Shiloh: You looked 'on the mend' yesterday yes not sick to me at all
    [12:05:25 PM] Shiloh: It does not matter Raven. If JCCJ want this as a core, both Ork and Devo will lose their jealousies and old world possessiveness
    [12:05:41 PM] Sirius 17: i am bleeding though, i did start my period yesterday
    [12:06:01 PM] Sirius 17: not quite as heavy as before
    [12:06:04 PM] Shiloh: Hopefully only for a week
    [12:06:12 PM] Sirius 17: yes or a short time
    [12:06:18 PM] Sirius 17: i can't take it lol
    [12:06:21 PM] Shiloh: November 3rd
    [12:09:51 PM] Shiloh: You are talking to Ork?
    [12:11:09 PM] Sirius 17: no
    [12:11:26 PM] Sirius 17: i am waiting like you for him to come back from dinner


     
    [12:11:48 PM] Sirius 17: i was watching this
    [12:11:51 PM] Shiloh: He is handling this extra well overall
    [12:12:15 PM] Sirius 17: i have all these mushrooms that i need to do something with
    [12:12:55 PM] Sirius 17: well i dont know how he is handling it
    [12:12:57 PM] Shiloh: Yes with veggie soups and on pizzas for me
    [12:12:58 PM] Sirius 17: i am worried
    [12:13:22 PM] Sirius 17: i dont want him to spin into a deep depression should she leave
    [12:13:40 PM] Shiloh: Its an issue yes, as you saw with Adam
    [12:13:55 PM] Sirius 17: yes but i felt Adam also understood me
    [12:14:03 PM] Shiloh: He did
    [12:14:18 PM] Shiloh: But you have the GOT key, Ork has not
    [12:14:29 PM] Sirius 17: yes but Ork has us
    [12:14:35 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [12:14:42 PM] Sirius 17: no matter what
    [12:14:47 PM] Shiloh: Of course
    [12:15:17 PM] Shiloh: He is in New Mexico?
    [12:15:49 PM] Sirius 17: no they are in cancun or tulum i guess
    [12:15:53 PM] Sirius 17: a little south of cancun
    [12:15:56 PM] Sirius 17: Mexico
    [12:16:04 PM] Shiloh: Yes near Macchu Piccu
    [12:16:27 PM] Sirius 17: [url=http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g499455-d220209-Reviews-Catalonia_Royal_Tulum-Xpuha_Yucatan_Peninsula.htmlhttp://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g499455-d220209-Reviews-Catalonia_Royal_Tulum-Xpuha_Yucatan_Peninsula.html[/url[/url]]
    [12:16:39 PM] Shiloh: He has a rooom for a week in a hotel?
    [12:16:39 PM] Sirius 17: no near teotechuacan i think
    [12:16:53 PM] Sirius 17: the trip is paid for as far as i know
    [12:16:56 PM] Shiloh: Well I dont know the place
    [12:17:15 PM] Shiloh: Hans  phoned Devo?
    [12:17:48 PM] Sirius 17: from the sounds of it i guess so or Devo talked to 45 and that is what he said to her
    [12:18:04 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [12:18:16 PM] Shiloh: 3D world dramas
    [12:18:34 PM] Shiloh: You dont cancel such a meet except in an emergency
    [12:18:48 PM] Shiloh: And this is emotional blackmail and no emergency physical
    [12:19:52 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tulum+ruins&qpvt=tulum+ruins&FORM=IGRE
    [12:19:59 PM] Sirius 17: i agree
    [12:21:18 PM] Shiloh: Sightseeing Nabs yes with real energies. But after Devo's proclamations in her reply to mater, her behaviour is a little weakminded
    [12:21:41 PM] Sirius 17: http://gomexico.about.com/od/ancientsites/ig/Chichen-Itza-Photos/El-Castillo--Chichen-Itza.htm
    [12:22:00 PM] Sirius 17: so yeah they are down in the area of all these mayan pyramids
    [12:22:14 PM] Sirius 17: yucatan penisula
    [12:22:18 PM] Sirius 17: gorgeous
    [12:22:26 PM] Sirius 17: i would NOT leave lol
    [12:22:27 PM] Shiloh: But 45 misses his mum and mum's gotta run
    [12:22:52 PM] Shiloh: False mother instincts human imo
    [12:22:55 PM] Sirius 17: yes well she is feeling guilt pains i guess
    [12:23:03 PM] Shiloh: Rather
    [12:23:22 PM] Shiloh: Dragons feel guilt?
    [12:23:41 PM] Sirius 17: no
    [12:23:47 PM] Shiloh: Or do they think deeply in wisdoms before they act or do anything
    [12:24:09 PM] Sirius 17: they definitely think before they act
    [12:24:13 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [12:24:44 PM] Sirius 17: and fear does not motivate them
    [12:25:26 PM] Shiloh: Italy's Mount Etna volcano erupts
     
    ROME | Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:10pm BST

    (Reuters) - Europe's tallest and most active volcano Mount Etna erupted on Saturday, spewing glowing lava into the air and sending a vast plume of smoke over the southern Italian island of Sicily.
    The eruption did not require any mountain villages to be evacuated or cause significant disruption, though airspace over Sicily was briefly closed on Saturday morning, according to Catania airport.
    The volcano is in almost constant activity, although the last major eruption was in 1992. The latest eruption was preceded by a series of underground tremors on Friday.
    (Reporting by Naomi O'Leary; editing by Mike Collett-White)


    [12:25:53 PM] Sirius 17: lol interesting
    [12:26:26 PM] Shiloh: Isn't the place they are called Cataluna?
    [12:27:19 PM] Sirius 17: Catalonia
    [12:27:26 PM] Shiloh: yes
    [12:27:33 PM] Sirius 17: very similar name though
    [12:27:44 PM] Shiloh: [12:25 PM] Shiloh:
    <<<  Catania airport.   Closed
    [12:27:56 PM] Shiloh: Symbolic synchro
    [12:28:32 PM] Shiloh: Catalonia=Catania + LO
    [12:28:53 PM] Shiloh: Often used in the scripture codes as an expression emphasis
    [12:29:09 PM] Shiloh: Lo, here he comes!
    [12:30:25 PM] Shiloh:

    Genesis 15:3
     And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
    Genesis 19:28
     And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.
    Genesis 37:7
     For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
    Genesis 42:28
     And he said unto his brethren, My money is restored; and, lo, it is even in my sack: and their heart failed them, and they were afraid, saying one to another, What is this that God hath done unto us?
      Genesis 47:23
     Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh: lo, here is seed for you, and ye shall sow the land.
    Genesis 48:11
     And Israel said unto Joseph, I had not thought to see thy face: and, lo, God hath shewed me also thy seed.
    Genesis 50:5
     My father made me swear, saying, Lo, I die: in my grave which I have digged for me in the land of Canaan, there shalt thou bury me. Now therefore let me go up, I pray thee, and bury my father, and I will come again.


    [12:34:37 PM] Shiloh: 7 lo's from Genesis
    [12:36:04 PM] Shiloh: Catania = Canaait = Canaan +O[15]
    [12:37:35 PM] Shiloh: Catalonia = Catania+LO=Canaait+LO=Canaan +[12]LOL[12]
    [12:39:27 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [12:39:30 PM] Shiloh: LOL
    [12:39:47 PM] Sirius 17: i am not sure they will find this funny
    [12:39:54 PM] Shiloh: They wont
    [12:40:13 PM] Shiloh: But the volcano Mount Etna erupted
    [12:40:25 PM] Shiloh: Madonna's place
    [12:40:36 PM] Shiloh: Debbie's House
    [12:40:55 PM] Sirius 17: haha
    [12:41:17 PM] Sirius 17: well 44 did say they fuc11ed shortly before she made her decision
    [12:41:38 PM] Shiloh: Debbie's House of waves in Debra's House of the morphic ODEs
    [12:41:38 PM] Sirius 17: mental and physical explosions
    [12:42:09 PM] Shiloh: If he gave her honey it will prove decisive in a way
    [12:44:47 PM] Shiloh: I felt the kundalini and it became cosmically manifested in an agency
    [12:45:09 PM] Shiloh: They wont be able to run away from that, both of them
    [12:46:11 PM] Shiloh: You think the cosmic Ouroboros, who has waited for millennia will submit to human whimsicalities?
    [12:47:02 PM] Shiloh: Job's Behemoth has caught and entwined with Job's Leviathan
    [12:47:07 PM] Shiloh: 6+6=12
    [12:47:21 PM] Sirius 17: not likely
    [12:47:36 PM] Sirius 17: human problems are not it's concern
    [12:50:40 PM] Shiloh:


    The Queen Dragon Bees became inseminated by the King Dragon Bees on October 26th, 2013 and Imaged after 10 Days on November 3rd, 2013 in  for the Twinship of Reuben Aries and Simeon Taurus in the Head of the EarthFire of the SolarArrowed Unicorn of the Seagoatian Dragonhorns of the BEHEMOTH.
    The Queen Dragon Bees became inseminated by the King Dragon Bees on October 26th, 2013 and Imaged after 10 Days on November 3rd, 2013 for the Twinship of Levi Gemini and Judah Leo in the Tail of the AirWater of the Hermetic FisherEagle of the Lunar Twins of the LEVIATHAN.


    [12:52:33 PM] Sirius 17: lol i remember this
    [12:53:10 PM] Shiloh: Yes and as a forerunner to yesterday
    [12:53:16 PM] Sirius 17: this was when Mary was with us huh?
    [12:53:21 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [12:53:40 PM] Shiloh: Mary is like Devo here, returning to the old status quo
    [12:53:40 PM] Sirius 17:  yes the day the templates were set into motion
    [12:53:46 PM] Sirius 17: omg
    [12:53:49 PM] Sirius 17: your right
    [12:54:42 PM] Shiloh: The DevoOrk core template here relates the EarthFire to the AirWater via the FireWater
    [12:55:00 PM] Shiloh: A cosmic glue of sorts
    [12:55:25 PM Shiloh: Between the Behemoth and the Leviathan as the Head and the Tail of the Ouroboros
    [12:59:33 PM] Shiloh:
     
    The Queen Dragon Bees became Inseminated by the King Dragon Bees on October 26th, 2013 and Imaged after 10 Days on November 3rd, 2013 for the Twinship of Dan Cancer with Napthali Libra in the Scales of the Cosmic Justice of the Motherhood.
    The Queen Dragon Bees became Inseminated by the King Dragon Bees on October 26th, 2013 and Imaged after 10 Days on November 3rd, 2013 for the Twinship of Gad Virgo with Asher Sorpio in the Eagle of Andromeda.
    The Queen Dragon Bees became Inseminated by the King Dragon Bees on October 26th, 2013 and Imaged after 10 Days on November 3rd, 2013 for the Twinship of Issachar Sagittarius with Zebulon Capricorn and in the Mirror and Shadow of Dinah Deborah Eagle Ophiuchus, the Serpent Tamer of the Ouroborus and in the 69 Impregnation of the Fellatio-Cunnilingus Pathway of the Eagle's Delivery.
    The Dragon Queen Bees became Inseminated by the King Dragon Bees on October 26th, 2013 and Imaged after 10 Days on November 3rd, 2013 for the Twinship of Dinah Deborah Eagle Ophiuchus with Joseph Aquarius.
    The Queen Dragon Bees became Inseminated by the King Dragon Bees on October 26th, 2013 and Imaged after 10 Days on November 3rd, 2013 for the Twinship of Manasseh and Ephraim Aquarius Joseph with Benjamin Pisces and in the Mirror and Shadow of Dinah Deborah Eagle Ophiuchus, the Serpent Tamer of the Ouroborus.


    [1:04:03 PM] Shiloh: 12 starsigns in 13 and 24 elders in 26
    [1:05:36 PM] Shiloh:

    Revelation 4
    King James Version (KJV)
    1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
    2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
    3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
    4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
    5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
    6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
    7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
    8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
    9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
    10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
    11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    [1:07:14 PM] Shiloh: The lion is Leo and the calf is Taurus and the man face is Aquarius and the flying eagle is Scorpio as the fixed starsigns and the gospels of Mark and Luke and Matthew and John respectively
    [1:08:19 PM] Sirius 17: yes i remember this was like my one vision
    [1:08:32 PM] Sirius 17: when i saw us all laying around in a circle
    [1:08:46 PM] Sirius 17: our bodies were purple
    [1:09:20 PM] Sirius 17: and we were waiting to breathe or breathing shallow
    [1:09:31 PM] Sirius 17: to get the holy breath of God
    [1:10:01 PM] Sirius 17: all of us in a circle like the ouroborus



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    Re: Letter from a Thuban Insider ...

    Post  Didymos on Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:46 am

    Floyd wrote:As I say. There is no such thing as a new age religion. There is no central holy book or creed. Nabs is a misnomer. There are however various alien cults. Many of them who adopt alleged new age beliefs like astrology.
    THEeXchanger wrote:As, well, as cults,
    there is also brotherhoods, sisterhoods,
    and, many places where the brother & sister OR, sister & brother
    are seen to be, as equals
    - in atlantis, there was such a place
    it was called "The Order of The White Rose" ;)
    - where every soul who belonged possessed the same raft of potentials
    and, people worked together to expand their support circles or circles of support

    - sadly, every soul does NOT make a choice:

    To weave their will, as their way !!!

    "Will is, the way" !!!
    ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger

    and, to step back,
    and, then to step forward,
    into a full remembrance
    of the who, the what, and, the way
    of their very eXistence

    - The status of eXchanger is available,
    and, it is open
    to all, who might choose
    this way, of moving through
    The Eagle Clan, Male energies, as The Cosmic Healer,
    The Vulture Clan, Female energies, as The Cosmic eXchanger,
    The Star Serpent Spider Clan, as The Cosmic Weaver,
    And, The Cosmic Star Dragon Serpent Clan, as The Dragon Master
    which transports itself, into The Mode of The Dragon Rider aka The Dragon Ryder.

    All of it, is there, for all of you,
    simply:

    "command and demand it,
    in 100 percent alignment with
    missions, purposes, and tasks."
    ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger
    333 333 315* ***

    "Twelve words plus one number sequence
    ~these Thirteen Aspects activates The High Magic."
    ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger
    333 333 315* ***
    (and, simply sign it off, with your own soul sigil aka soul signature)"

    It is easy, it is simple, it is fun !!!

    ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger
    333 333 333* ***
    [10:55:33 AM] The 13th Bridge: you might be interested in this site; http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.php?Gem_Num=2064

    [10:55:39 AM] The 13th Bridge: but; maybe you are already aware of it
    [10:56:48 AM] The 13th Bridge: http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/wheel.php
    [10:57:04 AM] The 13th Bridge:

    THE BIBLE WHEEL is composed of twenty-two Spokes and three concentric wheels within the Wheel called Cycles. The sixty-six books of the Bible fit perfectly on this structure. Each Cycle spans a consecutive set of twenty-two books:
    Cycle 1  Genesis - Song of Solomon
    Cycle 2  Isaiah - Acts
    Cycle 3  Romans - Revelation
    EACH CYCLE retells the Gospel story in its own unique way from the beginning ( - Aleph) to the end ( - Tav). The three Cycles were designed by God in accordance with the primary divisions of Scripture:
    Genesis  The first book of the Law
    Isaiah  The first book of the Prophets
    Romans  The first book of the NT Epistles


    [3:33:33 PM] Sirius 17: what is this bible wheel stuff?
    [3:34:29 PM] Shiloh: It is quite ok I think
    [3:34:41 PM] Shiloh: Recall my 22's?
    [3:35:05 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [3:35:39 PM] Sirius 17: no it is just interesting that they are trying to show the ouroborus of the bible here as well.
    [3:36:17 PM] Shiloh: 1=Genesis...22=Song of Solomon...23=Isaiah...44=Acts...45=Romans...66=Revelation
    [3:36:27 PM] Sirius 17: of course the Rabbi's would see it in the scroll of the Torah, they have studied the gematria codes for years
    [3:37:05 PM] Sirius 17: yes and i did this the other day with my 29s
    [3:37:06 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [3:37:34 PM] Shiloh: 22+22+22
    [3:38:03 PM] Shiloh: 66=Freedom=Thuban=Woman=Abraxas=The Magic=Name Amen=Anubis=...
    [3:39:21 PM] Sirius 17: yes your codes are much deeper

    Song of Solomon 1
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 The song of songs, which is Solomon's.
    2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.
    3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.
    4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.
    5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
    6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
    7 Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?
    8 If thou know not, O thou fairest among women, go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock, and feed thy kids beside the shepherds' tents.
    9 I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh's chariots.
    10 Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.
    11 We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.
    12 While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.
    13 A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.
    14 My beloved is unto me as a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi.
    15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.
    16 Behold, thou art fair, my beloved, yea, pleasant: also our bed is green.
    17 The beams of our house are cedar, and our rafters of fir.
    [9:43:25 PM] Allisiam: Sexy stuff
    [9:44:40 PM] Allisiam: and it all gets better if you keep reading lol
    [9:45:12 PM] Allisiam: 10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
    11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;
    12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;
    [9:45:25 PM] Allisiam: LO... the winter is past
    [9:45:41 PM] Allisiam: God Devo are you freaking blind?
    [9:45:45 PM] Allisiam: !!!!
    [3:46:55 PM] Shiloh: Dove's Eyes yes
    [3:47:32 PM] Sirius 17: [9:46:24 PM] Shiloh: Dove's eyes yes
    [9:47:12 PM] Allisiam: yes remember she said she was afraid to look into Ork's eyes
    Shiloh
    [3:49:46 PM] Sirius 17:

    14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.
    15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
    16 My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.
    17 Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether.

    Song of Solomon 2 - King James Version (KJV)
    [3:50:17 PM] Sirius 17: GOT
    [3:50:20 PM] Sirius 17:

    (45) Jesus said, "Grapes are not harvested from thorns, nor are figs gathered from thistles, for they do not produce fruit. A good man brings forth good from his storehouse; an evil man brings forth evil things from his evil storehouse, which is in his heart, and says evil things. For out of the abundance of the heart he brings forth evil things."

    [3:51:13 PM] Shiloh: A rather sexy descriptor right out of the scriptures indeed. There are many innuendoes as well to all forms of the 'Kama Sutra'
    [3:51:15 PM] Sirius 17:

    (86) Jesus said, "The foxes have their holes and the birds have their nests, but the son of man has no place to lay his head and rest."

    yes
    [3:53:29 PM] Sirius 17:

    Song of Solomon 3
    King James Version (KJV)

    3 By night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth: I sought him, but I found him not.
    2 I will rise now, and go about the city in the streets, and in the broad ways I will seek him whom my soul loveth: I sought him, but I found him not.
    3 The watchmen that go about the city found me: to whom I said, Saw ye him whom my soul loveth?

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song%20of%20Solomon%204&version=KJV
    Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song%20of%20Solomon%205&version=KJV
    6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.
    7 The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.
    8 I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song%20of%20Solomon%206&version=KJV
    3 I am my beloved's, and my beloved is mine: he feedeth among the lilies.
    4 Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners.
    5 Turn away thine eyes from me, for they have overcome me: thy hair is as a flock of goats that appear from Gilead.
    6 Thy teeth are as a flock of sheep which go up from the washing, whereof every one beareth twins, and there is not one barren among them.
    7 As a piece of a pomegranate are thy temples within thy locks.
    8 There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song%20of%20Solomon%207&version=KJV
    10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.
    11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.
    12 Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.
    13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song%20of%20Solomon%208&version=KJV
    6 Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.
    7 Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned.
    8 We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?
    9 If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar.
    10 I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour.
    11 Solomon had a vineyard at Baalhamon; he let out the vineyard unto keepers; every one for the fruit thereof was to bring a thousand pieces of silver.
    12 My vineyard, which is mine, is before me: thou, O Solomon, must have a thousand, and those that keep the fruit thereof two hundred.
    13 Thou that dwellest in the gardens, the companions hearken to thy voice: cause me to hear it.
    14 Make haste, my beloved, and be thou like to a roe or to a young hart upon the mountains of spices.
    [4:05:47 PM] Sirius 17: anyhow they should both read this
    [4:06:03 PM] Sirius 17: it is about them atm
    [4:06:15 PM] Sirius 17: the Dove and the Hart
    [4:07:15 PM] Sirius 17: Song of Solomon....read it aloud to each other, would be awsome
    [4:07:29 PM] Sirius 17: i am such a romantic lol
    [4:08:06 PM] Shiloh: It is the real Logos and the real cosmic divinity - supererotic and not cosmically asexual and sensual in all aspects and also filled with cosmic desires between the cosmic fatherhood and the cosmic motherhood of Abba and Baab
    [4:08:30 PM] Shiloh: The true nature of the universe the 'human devil mind' attempts to obscure and deny
    [4:08:31 PM] Sirius 17: yes it is
    [4:18:33 PM] Sirius 17:

    6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
    7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
    8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
    9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
    10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+1&version=KJV


    [4:25:52 PM] Sirius 17: [12:40 PM] Shiloh:

    <<< But the volcano Mount Etna erupted
    Madonna's place
    Debbie's House


    19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
    20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
    21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.


    [4:28:08 PM] Shiloh: Yes and this time has come
    [4:28:59 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131025085909.htm
    [4:29:18 PM] Sirius 17: Oct. 25, 2013 — At least 441 new species of animals and plants have been discovered over a four year period in the vast, underexplored rainforest of the Amazon, including a monkey that purrs like a cat.
    [4:29:53 PM] Sirius 17: signs
    [4:30:23 PM] Sirius 17: Found between 2010 and 2013, the species include a flame-patterned lizard, a thumbnail-sized frog, a vegetarian piranha, a brightly coloured snake, and a beautiful pink orchid, according to World Wildlife Fund (WWF).

    Acts.1.22
    Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.


    [4:35:43 PM] Sirius 17: lol

    Isaiah 66:1-4
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
    2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
    3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
    4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
    [4:39:55 PM] Shiloh: Excellent correlations
    [4:40:10 PM] Sirius 17: oh i just followed the 22 path
    [4:40:58 PM] Shiloh: Well Isaiah is the restart of the 22 to 44 to 66
    [4:41:21 PM] Shiloh: So Isaiah 66 is 'revelatory' or 'apocalyptic'
    [4:41:24 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:41:33 PM] Sirius 17: both
    [4:41:34 PM] Sirius 17: lol

    Revelation 22
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
    2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
    3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
    4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
    5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
    6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
    7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
    8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
    9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
    10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
    11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
    12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
    13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

    16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
    17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
    18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


    20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
    21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
    [4:42:07 PM] Shiloh: Nice completion
    [4:43:11 PM] Shiloh: See 18&19 as the adding of the curses in 'swallowing the human created mental hells' for the able dragon minds, who can share in the Lion's eucharist, but the dire warnings to 'subtract' from the codes, such as the nabsers and 'modernisers' do?[4:43:21 PM] Sirius 17: yeah, they deny the author
    [4:45:28 PM] Sirius 17:

    (96) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain woman. She took a little leaven, concealed it in some dough, and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."

    [4:46:02 PM] Sirius 17: BREAD
    [4:50:04 PM] Shiloh: MANNA from Heaven and now the BREAD from HellHeaven
    [4:51:04 PM] Sirius 17: yes



    November 3rd's Rare Solar Eclipse

    Syzygially speaking, the year's big event is a "hybrid" solar eclipse. The Moon passes directly across the Sun, yielding a fleeting annular eclipse at the beginning and a relatively brief total eclipse later on.

    When the Moon passes directly between the Sun and Earth, the usual outcome is either a total or annular solar eclipse. But the event on November 3rd is something of a hybrid. At the point in the North Atlantic where the Moon's umbral shadow begins its dash across Earth, about 600 miles (1,000 km) east of Jacksonville, Florida, an extremely well-placed observer would get to see a vestigial ring of Sun surrounding the Moon's silhouette for a few fleeting seconds just after sunrise.




    The eclipse on November 3, 2013, begins as an annular event (far-left end of green line) but quickly becomes a total solar eclipse as the moon's umbra crosses the Atlantic Ocean and central Africa. Click on the image for a larger version.
    Sky & Telescope illustration / source: F. Espenak
    But after that, as it races southeastward, the shadow's footprint is also moving closer to the Moon due to Earth's curvature. So the appearance switches to and remains a total eclipse — though a relatively short one. "Greatest eclipse," offering 99½ seconds of totality, occurs about 12:46 Universal Time at a point about 200 miles (330 km) southwest of the Liberian coast.

    The Moon's umbral shadow is only 29 miles wide (47 km) when it makes landfall in Gabon, where there'll be 68 seconds of totality. Then it slides east-northeastward through Congo (up to 53 seconds), Democratic Republic of the Congo (44 seconds), Uganda (19 seconds), northern Kenya (13 seconds), before ending in southern Ethiopia and westernmost Somalia (1 second at sunset).

    During the previous hybrid solar eclipse, in April 2005, a stretch of totality was sandwiched between annular views at the beginning and end. This year's edition is especially rare because it begins with annularity and ends with totality. Cartographer Michael Zeiler has amassed many maps and lots of graphical information on his website.

    For a little fun envisioning "what if" circumstances along the umbral path, check out Xavier Jubier's interactive eclipse map that overlays the umbral path on Google Earth.

    I'll be with Sky & Telescope's eclipse expedition on the eastern shore of Lake Turkana in northwestern Kenya, where we're hoping to see 11 seconds of totality. That's not very long — no time to be fumbling with camera settings! — but we'll be rewarded with astounding views of Baily's beads and long crimson arcs of the Sun's chromosphere.

    Several other small groups will be with us in Kenya, because that's where meteorologist Jay Anderson (the "high priest" of eclipse-weather forecasting) expects the best likelihood of cloud-free skies anywhere along the path of totality across Africa. And even from there it's only about a 50:50 proposition, so wish us luck!

    A Moon Bite for Breakfast

    Meanwhile, a wide swath of locations in the easternmost United States, northeastern South America, the Mediterranean, and virtually all of Africa get to enjoy a partial solar eclipse — weather permitting, of course.



    Weather permitting, early risers along the Eastern Seaboard can see a partial solar eclipse at sunrise on November 3, 2013. Percentages show fraction of Sun's area covered by the Moon.
    Sky & Telescope illustration / source: Stellarium
    In the U.S., the partial eclipse is already at maximum as the Sun peeks over the southeastern horizon at dawn. The farther east and north you are along the Eastern Seaboard, up through Boston, the better the view. Basically no one west of the Appalachian Mountains gets to see this one — early risers along a line from Akron to Atlanta experience only a slight nick in the rising Sun. The graphic at right shows six representative views.

    For a more complete set of cities, have a look at Zeiler's great map. Also check out this table of partial-eclipse circumstances for various cities compiled by Fred Espenak. (Note that the table uses Universal Time, so adjust for your time zone. As luck would have it, November 3rd is the day that the U.S. and Canada switch back to standard time.)

    To watch the partial eclipse at dawn, you'll need a flat, true horizon and binoculars or a telescope equipped with a safe solar filter over the front. Always use a proper solar filter when looking at the bright Sun, whether during a partial eclipse or at any other time. S&T's editors have many tips for viewing the Sun safely.

    http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/highlights/227679011.html


    Shiloh, October 28th, 2013


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    Post  Didymos on Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:23 am

    [4:06:37 PM-Friday, October 25th, 2013 +11UCT]
    Sirius 17: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131024143140.htm
    [4:06:43 PM] Sirius 17: this is interesting too
    [4:12:46 PM] Shiloh: Pretty cold yes
    [4:13:35 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131022101009.htm
    [4:13:46 PM] Sirius 17: there are some good articles on here the past few days
    [4:16:38 PM] Shiloh: The CMMBR is 2.72 degrees Kelvin and this cosmic space patch is so 1 Kelvin
    [4:17:01 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.newsdaily.com/article/ecc1c2ce53d7fd933a258179f9bc706c/astronomers-discover-most-distant-galaxy-yet
    [4:17:05 PM] Sirius 17: then there is this one too
    [4:17:24 PM] Sirius 17: both these last two articles coincide with these last days
    [4:17:33 PM] Sirius 17: 'ancient light'
    [4:18:28 PM] Shiloh: Those articles are always annoying to me, as they do not give the redshift
    [4:18:48 PM] Sirius 17:

    (50) Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"

    [4:18:59 PM] Shiloh: There is a quasar wall at z=7.477 at so 236 million years after the Big Bang
    [4:19:03 PM] Sirius 17: yes they might if you trace them back to the orignal papers maybe
    [4:19:38 PM] Shiloh: Because their date is wrong, they superpose the 'time after the Big Bang' in those articles
    [4:19:59 PM] Shiloh: Oh I can calculate the redshift from the diistance
    [4:20:20 PM] Shiloh: But their redshifts are actually correct, whilst their times are wrong
    [4:21:00 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.inquisitr.com/1004972/astronomers-discover-most-distant-galaxy-yet-13-1-billion-light-years-away/
    [4:21:14 PM] Shiloh: Always look for the redshift
    [4:21:19 PM] Sirius 17: this one gives 13.1 billion light years away
    [4:21:23 PM] Shiloh: Not their distances
    [4:21:32 PM] Sirius 17: yes i am
    [4:21:37 PM] Shiloh: 13.1 relative to 13.7 yes
    [4:21:42 PM] Shiloh: Both dates are wrong
    [4:22:09 PM] Shiloh: They are trying to 'cover their tracks' because they know something is fishy
    [4:22:50 PM] Sirius 17: http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/10/astronomers-discover-the-most-distant-galaxy-yet-in-the-universe-2468170.html
    [4:24:58 PM] Sirius 17: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/astronomers-discover-the-most-distant-galaxy-yet/

    Astronomers Discover the Most Distant Galaxy Yet
    Its light blasted into space when the universe was only 700 million years old.




    Astronomers have found a galaxy far, far away—13.1 billion light-years from Earth, to be exact.
    Photograph by V. Tilvi (Texas A&M), S. Finkelstein (UT Austin), the CANDELS Team, and HST/NASA
    Andrew Fazekas
    National Geographic
    Published October 23, 2013

    Astronomers have found a galaxy 13.1 billion light-years from Earth, making it officially the most distant object ever detected.

    A faint, infrared speck of light from this ancient galaxy, called z8_GND_5296, was spotted using the Hubble Space Telescope and one of the world's largest ground-based telescopes, a ten-meter telescope at Keck Observatory at the summit of Mauna Kea, Hawaii.

    Light from this baby galaxy began its journey when the universe was about 700 million years old and just emerging from the cosmic mist left over from its birth, said Casey Papovich, one of the lead authors of the study and an astronomer at Texas A&M University in College Station.

    The former record holder is a fellow youngster, an ultra-faint galaxy about 100 million light-years closer to Earth.

    Past claims of galaxies at these extreme distances were mined from deep field images taken by the Hubble Space Telescope. But many of these would-be candidates turned out to be much closer than previously thought, according to Papovich.

    "Some of our candidates have turned out to be very cold stars—brown dwarfs—in our own galaxy," he explained.

    Redshift Reveals

    The only way to confirm a galaxy's true distance, however, is to do follow-up measurements analyzing the spectrum of light emitted. This can enable astronomers to determine a candidate's redshift—how far its light is shifted into the red part of the spectrum—and thereby its distance.

    Redshift occurs because wavelengths of light stretch out as galaxies move away from observers on Earth. So the higher the redshift number, the more distant the object from Earth.

    Papovich's team found this faint galaxy's redshift was 7.5, compared with the previous record holder's 7.2.

    "Until you have a redshift, there is always some doubt about the exact nature of the galaxy," said Papovich.

    "All the other objects out there with claimed 'most distant galaxy' in their titles are candidates selected using only imaging, and no spectroscopic confirmation like what we have done here."

    The find, described in a study published this week in the journal Nature, is expected to help researchers better understand the so-called era of reionization, when newborn hot, massive stars and their galaxies transformed the opaque hydrogen fog—which filled the cosmos in the first billion years after the Big Bang—into the transparent intergalactic space we see today.

    "The galaxies themselves [in this era of the universe] would be filled with the newly formed, massive stars, many of which could be a thousand times the mass of our own sun," Papovich explained.
    "We have yet to identify any conclusive evidence that these 'first-generation' stars exist in even this distant galaxy."

    How Far Back Can We Go?

    Can we push the record back even further, closer to the Big Bang?

    Richard Ellis, an astronomer not connected to the study, says it is definitely possible. But we do not yet have telescopes powerful enough to do the job.

    "We have the capability, in principle, to push to redshifts of ten and beyond, corresponding to a time when the universe was only 350 million years old, or  only 3 percent of its present age," said Ellis, an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.

    The conundrum for researchers is that looking at larger distances means looking further back in time. That means galaxies become ever fainter as we push closer to the birth of the universe and the Big Bang.

    "For most of the early galaxies being seen by Hubble, there's little hope of confirming their distances with spectroscopy until we get powerful new facilities such as the James Webb Space Telescope and the Thirty Meter Telescope," said Ellis.
    "Ultimately, to chart the universe in detail at these early times, we need the next-generation facilities."
    Follow Andrew Fazekas, the Night Sky Guy, on Twitter and Facebook.
    [4:25:07 PM] Sirius 17: Papovich's team found this faint galaxy's redshift was 7.5, compared with the previous record holder's 7.2.
    [4:25:24 PM] Sirius 17: so both these articles talk about a 7.5 redshift
    [4:25:45 PM] Shiloh: Yes so you see my previous take of the Quasar wall at z=7.477?
    [4:25:50 PM] Shiloh: Lol
    [4:25:51 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:26:04 PM] Sirius 17: well why i pointed this out to you
    [4:26:33 PM] Shiloh: Well they use the wrong calculus to align the redshifts with the distance scales
    [4:26:37 PM] Sirius 17: the timing of the release of this article was oct 23rd
    [4:26:53 PM] Shiloh: Thuban uses the parametric velocity and acceleration curves
    [4:27:11 PM] Shiloh: Hmm yes, so I should address this
    [4:27:15 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:27:46 PM] Sirius 17:

    (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
    Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."


    [4:27:51 PM] Sirius 17: relates to this too
    [4:28:04 PM] Shiloh: Recall the 'blob' anomaly of a degree size in the CMMBR map from the Planck Probe?
    [4:28:09 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [4:28:12 PM] Shiloh: This relates to this
    [4:28:21 PM] Sirius 17: yes the unevenness
    [4:28:50 PM] Shiloh: They 'revised' the Hubble constant to 69, which implies a revised Age of the Universe of so 14.5 Billion years. The old Hubble Constant of 72 gives you the 13.7 Gyears
    [4:29:04 PM] Sirius 17: yes but i don't see them admiting this
    [4:29:35 PM] Shiloh: Because it does not fit their Dark Matter and Dark Energy models, they then 'sweep this under the carpet' in insisting the age of the universe to still be so 13.8 billion years. The 11D universe is 19.11 Gyears and the 10D extrapolation then becomes 14.7 Gyears as a 4.4=2.2+2.2 'anomaly'. Then the 'discrepancy just goes away
    [4:32:17 PM] Sirius 17: when you say Gyears do you mean gravitational years?
    [4:32:43 PM] Shiloh: Gigayears are Billions of years
    [4:32:52 PM] Sirius 17: oh ok lol
    [4:32:58 PM] Shiloh: Gravitational years lol - do not exist
    [4:33:12 PM] Sirius 17: well i did not understand what the G meant so i asked
    [4:33:40 PM] Shiloh: G=Giga and  M=Mega and k=kilo
    [4:33:49 PM] Sirius 17: yes i see it now
    [4:35:32 PM] Sirius 17: a really damn long time ago just say lol unimaginably long
    [4:36:55 PM] Sirius 17:


    hehe
    [4:42:40 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131024143307.htm
    [4:42:48 PM] Sirius 17: When Chakraborty and Petia Yanchulova, a physics student and co-author of the paper, collected and analyzed the dust, they saw a mix of oxygen isotopes that matched the anomalous pattern found in stony meteorites. The degree of the anomaly scaled with the percentage of the atmosphere that was hydrogen, an observation that points to a reaction governed by symmetry.
    [4:43:14 PM] Sirius 17: this is interesting about what they are finding out about the oxygen isotope difference between the inner and outer planets
    [4:44:01 PM] Sirius 17: saying it has to do with symmetry
    [4:59:05 PM] Shiloh: All of fundamental physics and so science revolves about symmetry and the breaking of it Raven. The Higgs Boson is the 'Breaking of the massless symmetry' of gauged Goldstone bosons in technical jargonautics
    [5:03:51 PM] Sirius 17: Yes i understand that, it is interesting because of Gaia and her role, that specifically the oxygen and the rockyness of the planet go hand in hand; it just points to the metaphysical beginings and underpinning of the gaian nodal point and is how i see it anyhow
    [5:09:00 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131023090952.htm
    [5:09:12 PM] Sirius 17: Einstein predicted gravitational waves -- ripples in space-time, generated by bodies changing speed or direction. Bodies, for instance, such as pairs of black holes orbiting each other.
    When galaxies merge, their resident central black holes are doomed to meet. They first waltz together then enter a desperate embrace and merge.
    "Theorists predict that towards the end of this dance they're growling out gravitational waves at a frequency we're set up to detect," Dr Shannon said.

    [5:09:27 PM] Sirius 17: this article fits with the 18-19th stuff too
    [5:10:07 PM] Sirius 17: anyhow i will shut up now, i am inundating you with stuff lol
    [5:10:18 PM] Sirius 17: just ignore me
    [5:21:57 PM]Shiloh: Yes the gravitational waves are modular to the electromagnetic waves
    [5:22:57 PM] Shiloh: It relates to this latest talk of mine about the charge of gravity being mass-inertia itself
    [5:23:18 PM] Shiloh: On the Dan Winter post of Susan's
    [5:24:05 PM] Shiloh:

    The 13th Bridge:

    <<< did you know ; i have the eye of horus from the burial shroud of amen ra - the princess  - one of the last people to own it; was blavtasky
    when she examined it; for someone in the uk
    i used to actually wear it
    itis made of a stone called mak
    my dad; created a way to anchor a 14kt gold bail into it; so; it could be worn on a chain
    it is a bluish color of green
    kind of changes colour; sometimes
    i should dig it out; and; wear it again



    Speak of the devil
    [5:24:47 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [5:30:26 PM] Sirius 17: one day she will understand that the eye of horus is no physical thing....and she'll see with it
    [5:33:48 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpens_Caput

    [5:33:59 PM] Sirius 17: Serpens ("the Serpent", Greek Ὄφις) is a constellation of the northern hemisphere. It was one of the 48 constellations listed by the 2nd century astronomer Ptolemy and it remains one of the 88 modern constellations defined by the International Astronomical Union.

    It is unique among the modern constellations in being split into two non-contiguous parts, Serpens Caput (Serpent's Head) to the west and Serpens Cauda (Serpent's Tail) to the east. Between these two halves lies the constellation of Ophiuchus, the "Serpent-Bearer". In figurative representations, the body of the serpent is represented as passing behind Ophiuchus between μ Ser in Serpens Caput and ν Ser in Serpens Cauda. The brightest star in Serpens is Unukalhai or Cor Serpentis "Serpent's Heart", with an apparent magnitude of 2.63.



    [5:34:50 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SerpensCaputCC.jpg err head
    [5:35:22 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SerpensCaudaCC.jpg tail

    [5:37:09 PM] Sirius 17: Meteor showers

    There are two daytime meteor showers that radiate from Serpens, the Omega Serpentids and the Sigma Serpentids. Both showers peak between December 18th and December 25th.[3]
    [5:37:25 PM] Sirius 17: did you know about these metor showers?
    [5:38:43 PM] Sirius 17: Aratus describes the constellation as follows:

    Both [hands of Ophiuchus] firmly clutch the Serpent, which encircles the waist of Ophiuchus, but he, steadfast with both his feet well set, tramples a huge monster, even the Scorpion, standing upright on his eye and breast. Now the Serpent is wreathed about his two hands – a little above his right hand, but in many folds high above his left. ... Toward the Crown leans the Serpent’s jaw, but beneath his coiling form seek thou for the mighty Claws [Libra][4]

    There were two "serpent" constellations in Babylonian astronomy, known as Mušḫuššu and Bašmu. It appears that Mušḫuššu was depicted as a hybrid of dragon, lion and bird, and loosely corresponds to Hydra. Bašmu was a horned serpent (c.f. Ningishzida) and loosely corresponds to the Ὄφις constellation of Eudoxus of Cnidus on which the Ὄφις (Serpens) of Ptolemy is based.[5]


    [5:40:57 PM] Sirius 17: Deep-sky objects

    Messier 5, a globular cluster located approximately 8° southwest of α Serpentis in the head.
    The Eagle Nebula (IC 4703) and its associated star cluster lie 7,000 light-years from Earth in the direction of the galactic center. The nebula measures 70 light-years by 50 light-years and contains the Pillars of Creation, three dust clouds that became famous for the image taken by the Hubble Space Telescope.

    [5:43:57 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquila_%28constellation%29
    [5:44:04 PM] Shiloh: Yes the Serpens Caput and Serpens Cauda become the astrological Dragon nodes of the lunar nodes in Dragon head and Dragon tail

    [5:44:31 PM] Sirius 17: Mythology

    Aquila, with the now-obsolete figure of Antinous, as depicted by Sidney Hall in Urania's Mirror,[6] a set of constellation cards published in London c.1825. At left is Delphinus.
    According to Gavin White, the Babylonian Eagle carried the constellation called the Dead Man (LU.USH) in its talons. The author also draws a comparison to the Classical stories of Antinous and Ganymede.[3]
    In classical Greek mythology, Aquila was identified as Αετός Δίας (Aetos Dios), the eagle that carried the thunderbolts of Zeus and was sent by him to carry the shepherd boy Ganymede, whom he desired, to Mount Olympus; the constellation of Aquarius is sometimes identified with Ganymede.[1]
    In the Chinese love story of Qi Xi, Niu Lang (Altair) and his two children (β and γ Aquilae) are separated forever from their wife and mother Zhi Nu (Vega) who is on the far side of the river, the Milky Way.[citation needed]
    In Hinduism, the constellation Aquila is identified with the half-eagle half-human deity Garuda.[7][8]

    [5:45:31 PM] Sirius 17: yes i am just finding the cosmic synchronisities
    [5:45:51 PM] Shiloh: You are feeling better
    [5:45:55 PM] Sirius 17: the cosmic story
    [5:46:05 PM] Sirius 17: yes i am
    [5:46:25 PM] Sirius 17: i am slowly gaining my strength back every day
    [5:48:54 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aquilaurania.jpg
    [5:50:37 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aql_bode.jpg
    [5:50:50 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinous_%28constellation%29
    [5:51:10 PM] Sirius 17: hehe constillation Antinous, sounds a lot like antonious
    [5:52:25 PM] Sirius 17: Antinous is an obsolete constellation no longer in use by astronomers, having been merged into Aquila, which it bordered to the North.
    [5:52:39 PM] Sirius 17: Aquilaurania and Antinous merged



    [5:52:44 PM] Shiloh: It is a derivative for Anthony and English and Antonius in Latin
    [5:52:58 PM] Shiloh: Eagle de John yes
    [5:53:14 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:53:23 PM] Sirius 17: Aquila means eagle

    Ptolemy catalogued nineteen stars jointly in this constellation and in the now obsolete constellation of Antinous, which was named in the reign of the emperor Hadrian (AD 117–138), but sometimes erroneously attributed to Tycho Brahe, who catalogued twelve stars in Aquila and seven in Antinous. Hevelius determined twenty-three stars in the first[2] and nineteen in the second.[2]

    [5:55:42 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IRAS_19024%2B0044.jpg
    [5:55:53 PM] Sirius 17: cosmic butterfly there in Aquila
    [5:56:02 PM] Sirius 17: lots of stuff there
    [5:56:59 PM] Sirius 17:

    α Aql (Altair) is the brightest star in this constellation and one of the closest naked-eye stars to Earth at a distance of 17 light-years. Its name comes from the Arabic phrase "al-nasr al-tair", meaning "the flying eagle". Altair has a magnitude of 0.76.[1]
    β Aql (Alshain) is a yellow-hued star of magnitude 3.7, 45 light-years from Earth. Its name comes from the Arabic phrase "shahin-i tarazu", meaning "the balance"; this name referred to Altair, Alshain, and Tarazed.[1]
    γ Aql (Tarazed) is an orange-hued giant star of magnitude 2.7, 460 light-years from Earth. Its name, like that of Alshain, comes from the Arabic for "the balance", "shahin-i tarazu".[1]

    [5:58:07 PM] Sirius 17: one flying eagle star accompanied by two 'balance' stars
    these are the 3 main stars in Aquila
    [6:01:50 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Size_Vega.png



    [6:01:57 PM] Sirius 17: Vega is bizarre
    [6:02:18 PM] Sirius 17:

    The name Wega[9] (later Vega) comes from a loose transliteration of the Arabic word wāqi‘ meaning "falling" or "landing", via the phrase an-nasr al-wāqi‘, "the falling eagle".[84] The term "Al Nesr al Waki" appeared in the Al Achsasi Al Mouakket star catalogue and was translated into Latin as Vultur Cadens, "the falling eagle/vulture".[85][note 6] The constellation was represented as a vulture in ancient Egypt,[86] and as an eagle or vulture in ancient India.[87][88] The Arabic name then appeared in the western world in the Alfonsine Tables,[89] which were drawn up between 1215 and 1270 by order of Alfonso X.[90] Medieval astrolabes of England and Western Europe used the names Wega and Alvaca, and depicted it and Altair as birds.[91]

    [6:03:27 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega
    [6:03:58 PM] Sirius 17: The Assyrians named this pole star Dayan-same, the "Judge of Heaven", while in Akkadian it was Tir-anna, "Life of Heaven". In Babylonian astronomy, Vega may have been one of the stars named Dilgan, "the Messenger of Light". To the ancient Greeks, the constellation Lyra was formed from the harp of Orpheus, with Vega as its handle.[10] For the Roman Empire, the start of autumn was based upon the hour at which Vega set below the horizon.[9]
    In Chinese mythology, there is a love story of Qi Xi (七夕) in which Niu Lang (牛郎, Altair) and his two children (β and γ Aquilae) are separated from their mother Zhi Nü (織女, lit. "Weaving Girl", Vega) who is on the far side of the river, the Milky Way.[95] However, one day per year on the seventh day of the seventh month of the Chinese lunisolar calendar, magpies make a bridge so that Niu Lang and Zhi Nü can be together again for a brief encounter. The Japanese Tanabata festival, in which Vega is known as orihime (織姫), is also based on this legend.[96]
    [6:05:54 PM] Sirius 17: Vega will be the polestar again in 26,000 lol


    Precession of the equinoxes for the Pole Star. Thuban is toward the right of the image, below the -2000 mark

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuban
    [6:10:21 PM] Sirius 17: Thuban is a binary star, with a companion star in a 51-day orbit. The companion has not been directly imaged, and from its mass is probably a red dwarf or a low mass white dwarf.
    [6:12:52 PM] Sirius 17: Thuban is massive
    [6:16:18 PM] Shiloh: The 51 days are a nice code, as 51=Demon=Michael=62-11
    [6:16:38 PM] Sirius 17: yes i noticed that
    [6:16:43 PM] Shiloh: So blending the dichotomized opposites
    [6:17:02 PM] Sirius 17: it is a binary like sirius
    [6:17:14 PM] Sirius 17: but on a much bigger scale
    [6:17:21 PM] Sirius 17: Thuban could become a blue giant
    [6:17:27 PM] Sirius 17: freaking awsome
    [6:17:35 PM] Shiloh: Demona=Devil as the female Devil of the supercodes from the recent histories beginning in Egyptian legends and mythology
    [6:17:52 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [6:18:31 PM] Sirius 17: we are written in the Stars, how many NABS people can claim that with their BS?
    [6:18:49 PM] Shiloh: The real Devil being the Finance=Pride of course harmonised in Earth=Heart=52=GoDDoG=GoDDoG
    [6:19:07 PM] Shiloh: Mars=51 as the Demon planet by the way
    [6:19:16 PM] Sirius 17: so they say lol
    [6:19:33 PM] Sirius 17: Shhhh Tony, don't tell them we are Martians
    [6:19:33 PM] Shiloh: Why the nabsers are often obsessed with the 'aliens' on Mars
    [6:19:36 PM] Sirius 17: omg
    [6:19:43 PM] Sirius 17: hahaha
    [6:20:19 PM] Shiloh: Better keep this as a secret from the dragons
    [6:20:38 PM] Sirius 17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glowing_Eye
    [6:20:42 PM] Sirius 17: this is also in Aquila
    [6:21:23 PM] Shiloh: The remote viewers travelling to Mars in their 'timewarping tubes' to visit the underground cities there
    [6:22:03 PM] Sirius 17: yes and the ancient pyramids
    [6:22:34 PM] Shiloh: I actually give the pyramids some credence, but not the Hoagland style
    [6:23:05 PM] Sirius 17: i used to wish i could live on Mars



    [6:24:06 PM] Sirius 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux-FDWAx7OI
    remember this lol
    [6:25:34 PM] Sirius 17: one of my favorite movies back in the day
    [6:25:39 PM] Shiloh: Never saw it
    [6:25:54 PM] Shiloh: Martian murderers from 1980
    [6:26:27 PM] Sirius 17: oh you should watch it
    [6:27:01 PM] Sirius 17: it is a classic with Rock Hudson
    [6:27:02 PM] Shiloh: Better than the nonsense they render nowadays as Martian histories
    [6:27:27 PM] Sirius 17: Wilder struggles to assemble the remaining humans on Mars, who cope with their loneliness in different ways and will not leave their piece of Mars, before Wilder meets a Martian of past or future who tells him the secret of simple Martian life and convinces him to abandon the Earth lifestyle.
    [6:27:39 PM] Shiloh: Right
    [6:28:11 PM] Sirius 17: the movie was full of really cool landscapes that i just loved
    [6:29:07 PM] Sirius 17: it is based on the novel by Ray Bradbury
    [6:29:13 PM] Sirius 17: it was on tv as a mini series
    [6:29:18 PM] Sirius 17: when i watched it
    [6:29:24 PM] Sirius 17: on ABC or something
    [6:29:44 PM] Sirius 17: when i was little a friend of my mothers took care of me
    [6:30:11 PM] Sirius 17: he had polio when he was very young and so he was crippled and could not walk very well
    [6:30:19 PM] Sirius 17: we sat around and watched lots of movies
    [6:30:50 PM] Sirius 17: he was an electronic engineer and could fix anything
    [6:30:51 PM] Shiloh: It was released in 1980, so 20 years before the storyline and this does match the Nosey 20 lunar years and the related 'Nostradamus-Dead Sea Scroll' predictions as the Metonic cycle of the ancient lunar calendars
    [6:31:09 PM] Sirius 17: he was like a second dad to me
    [6:32:41 PM] Sirius 17: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?pid=126330939
    [6:34:08 PM] Sirius 17: anyhow, lol stroll down memory lane
    [6:34:34 PM] Shiloh: Nah, I rather ponder my future core lol
    [6:34:55 PM] Sirius 17: i meant about me hehe
    [6:35:00 PM] Sirius 17: and Lee
    [6:35:07 PM] Shiloh: I have enough of human  histories
    [6:35:09 PM] Sirius 17: i was very fond of him
    [6:35:27 PM] Shiloh: How much older was he, than you?
    [6:35:38 PM] Sirius 17: he was born in 41
    [6:35:48 PM] Sirius 17: quite a bit i guess
    [6:36:07 PM] Shiloh: 1967-1941=26
    [6:36:20 PM] Sirius 17: he did not marry until very late in life
    [6:36:25 PM] Sirius 17: i think he was in his late 40s
    [6:36:45 PM] Sirius 17: it was quite the story and i actually just looked at this obituary
    [6:37:31 PM] Sirius 17: i had a feeling he might of died
    [6:38:15 PM] Sirius 17: I called back near then i guess and he had had a stroke
    [6:38:25 PM] Sirius 17: but i hate funerals and all that shi20
    [6:38:29 PM] Sirius 17: so i did not call again
    [6:38:42 PM] Sirius 17: i wanted to remember him as he was
    [6:38:50 PM] Sirius 17: alive
    [6:39:13 PM] Shiloh: Yes, manifesting the waveform in the body morph



    [6:43:51 PM] Sirius 17: i think i may of told you about him before
    [6:44:19 PM] Shiloh: This is a modern version of the Mars-Earth connection, which I found ok, so too much Hollywood embellished
    [6:44:45 PM] Shiloh: It is from a Edgar Rice Burroughs novel: "A Princess from Mars" from 1917 and released in 2012. The 'Princess of Mars' is a title fitting Susan
    [6:54:33 PM] Sirius 17: hehe i thought she was the princess of Venus
    [6:55:17 PM] Shiloh: BOTH
    [6:55:33 PM] Sirius 17: of course
    [6:55:58 PM] Shiloh: Susan has ineages to all and sundry, dont you know?
    [6:56:34 PM] Shiloh: She is interrelated to everything, even evil dragons and cunning serpents
    [6:56:44 PM] Sirius 17: yes i know, doesn't she have a thread that is like 50 pages long with proof?
    [6:57:13 PM] Shiloh: genie geniussal
    [6:57:24 PM] Shiloh: Aka colossal
    [6:57:25 PM] Sirius 17: yes some site she found
    [6:57:50 PM] Sirius 17: that lists every major super famous important bloodline ever known
    [6:58:37 PM] Shiloh: Well, that why the dragons render her a martian princess a la E.R. Burroughs. It collects the ubiquitousity
    [6:58:49 PM] Sirius 17: lol
    [6:59:32 PM] Shiloh: This is a compliment Susan not a derisive comment!
    [6:59:50 PM] Shiloh: This 'Princess of Mars' is one sexy chick
    [7:00:15 PM] Sirius 17: yes she is
    [7:00:23 PM] Sirius 17: if she hasn't seen the movie
    [7:00:35 PM] Sirius 17: Susan does kind of look like her
    [7:00:36 PM] Shiloh: She rejects a martian suitor called Helium for an Earthling called John Carter, well a dragonomised Earthling from the Wild West of Virginia of the Ponderosa Ranch and Country
    [7:01:11 PM] Sirius 17: did you see the whole movie Tony?
    [7:02:02 PM] Shiloh: Yes
    [7:02:21 PM] Shiloh: David wanted me to create a DVD for him and so I made a copy for myself
    [7:03:10 PM] Sirius 17: yes this is a good movie with great special effects
    [7:03:31 PM] Sirius 17: this martian chronicles has two parts or so because it was a mini series
    [7:04:31 PM] Shiloh: Yes, I shared
    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6759p45-the-factuals-versus-the-nabs#98020

    Mercury Retrograde: the liminality of being in between becoming

    Oct 24

    Posted by esotericembers


    Mercury Retrograde in between Eclipses

    The painting “Bringing Light without Pain” above is by Roberto Matta, an artist with a Scorpio Mercury and Sun (11/11/1911), and so an apt painter to showcase in this time when Mercury is retrograde in Scorpio and headed toward it’s “inferior” conjunction with the Sun in Scorpio.  While being able to bring light “without pain” during this period of Mercury retrograde in Scorpio is perhaps unlikely, the goal of connecting with more light, integrating more light into our lives by the end of a deep process of shedding burdensome past patterns or identities is a reachable potential over the next month.  Roberto Matta first came to my attention when I saw astrologer Gonzalo Romero present a lecture on Mercury in 2011 in which he drew attention to the artistic perception, expression, and communication of Matta.  Gonzalo described Roberto Matta as having a mercurial ability to “make the invisible, visible” through his artistic expression of aspects of phenomenal reality he could perceive.  Among other things, Mercury is a function in astrology aligning with what part of reality we choose to perceive and order within our consciousness in order to structure such aspects of our life as how we communicate with others through speech, writing, sound, or art.  As a result, when Mercury goes retrograde we have a unique opportunity to investigate what we have been choosing to focus on in our perceptions, and what sorts of habitual mindsets and thought cycles may have been dominating our mental space.  With awareness then comes the potential to transform the way we are choosing to think about aspects of our reality that have been leading us toward greater negativity or suffering, in order to shift our mindset to help us create more of what we want to experience in our lives.
    Mercury retrograde time periods have gained a negative reputation in popular culture and sometimes make people wary or fearful of what could happen with mishaps in communication and technology, but in reality Mercury retrograde periods offer many gifts and opportunities to change and reset deep rooted patterns in our being.  This upcoming Mercury retrograde periods promises to be one of the most potentially regenerative and transforming retrograde cycles in memory, as it involves three passes with Saturn in Scorpio and happens at the same time as an exact square between Uranus in Aries and Capricorn in Pluto.  Moreover, there are eclipses occurring at the same time, with a Lunar Eclipse occurring shortly before Mercury stations retrograde, and a Solar Eclipse occurring shortly after the powerful moment of the retrograde cycle in which Mercury and the Sun become conjunct.  Mercury aka Hermes is not only the God of Communication but also a God of Thresholds and Liminality, a Guide of Souls who is a Psychopomp able to move between the underworld and the upperworld.  The term “liminality” is from the Latin root meaning “threshold” and is an appropriate description for the eclipse and Mercury retrograde period of time we are in since one of it’s meanings from Anthropology is “the quality of ambiguity or disorientation that occurs in the middle stage of rituals, when participants no longer hold their pre-ritual status but have not yet begun the transition to the status they will hold when the ritual is complete” (wikipedia).
    In Depth Psychology, liminality has also become a descriptive word used in the process of Individuation when an individual experiences feelings of disorientation and darkness as an old identity breaks down, all the while in a fluid process of becoming more whole or authentic, an “in-between” space of being that can persist for great lengths of time.  Now, in the liminal space we are entering in between eclipses and during a time of intense astrological transits, we may feel confused, what we feel may turn out to be very different than it first appears in the moment, and where we are headed may be unclear, but it is good counsel at this time to realize that simply breathing, and allowing ourselves “to be” with whatever is happening in the moment will be a strategy useful to navigate our upcoming experiences.  Of course, sometimes experiences suddenly demand that we quickly respond and initiate action, but  no matter how intense experiences may become, if we can keep ourselves in the flow of things and persevere, eventually we will begin to realize why we are on the new path events led us to.  The alignment of celestial bodies above us is too astounding for it to be any other way.
    Indeed, this Mercury retrograde cycle and other surrounding transits will be taking us to the heart of many of the astrological themes I have been writing about over the past year on this blog.  At the heart of this Mercury retrograde cycle we will have the opportunity to open our hearts to a greater extent, as the fourth of the seven squares between Uranus in Aries and Pluto in Capricorn occurs on the same day as the inferior conjunction between Mercury retrograde and the Sun in Scorpio.  As there are seven squares between Uranus and Pluto occurring between 2012 and 2015, the fourth one occurring on November 1, 2013 has been linked by many to issues around the 4th Chakra, or Heart Chakra.  In order for us to reach a greater heart opening in our lives, Mercury retrograde in Scorpio will align with not only our ability to transform the way we are perceiving and communicating, but will give us the opportunity to go the depths of our core soul issues on all levels, meaning in a manner impossible for me to describe with the limitations of language.  At the same time, there will be a real opportunity for us to take action to help us transform, as there will be a mutual reception occurring between Mars in Virgo and Mercury in Scorpio (this is because Mars is the traditional ruler of Scorpio, and Mercury is the traditional ruler of Virgo), with an exact sextile between Mars and Mercury on the same day that Mercury is conjunct the Sun in Scorpio and Uranus is exactly square to Pluto.  Since these intense astrological transits on November 1 come with the dawn of the day following Halloween or Samhain, a night in which the veil between the worlds is traditionally viewed as being more open, we will be in a truly magical night to celebrate Halloween and Samhain in 2013, a liminal space to don our archetypal masks and costumes.
    In order to refrain from delving into astrology geek terminology that could lose all but the most obsessively astrological among my readers,

    I have summarized below several important time periods in October and November of 2013 in connection with this time period of Mercury’s retrograde cycle in Scorpio:

    October 5 – October 9, 2013

    • Mercury in Scorpio conjunct first the North Node of the Moon, and then Saturn between 7 and 11 degrees of Scorpio.
    • At this time Mercury was also at its greatest distance in elongation from the Sun in its cycle, being 28 degrees ahead of the Sun.

    October 18 – October 25, 2013

    • 10/18/13:  Lunar Eclipse at 26 degrees of Aries and Libra
    • 10/19/13:  Mars in Virgo in opposition to Neptune in Pisces at 3 degrees
    • 10/21/13:  Mercury in Scorpio stations retrograde at 18º24′
    • 10/25/13:  Heliacal set in the West at Sunset for Mercury in Scorpio-  Mercury is at the phasis point of being 15 degrees away from the Sun, meaning that Mercury now descends to the Underworld in mythic terminology and will correspond with a more subjective, reflective, and intuitive perception.


    October 29 – November 3, 2013

    • 10/29/13:  Mercury in Scorpio retrograde and conjunct Saturn at 14 degrees Scorpio
    • 11/01/13:  Uranus in Aries square Pluto in Capricorn at 9º26′
    • 11/01/13:  Mercury retrograde in Scorpio inferior conjunct the Sun at 9º34′
    • 11/01/13:  Mercury in Scorpio in sextile to Mars in Virgo at 10 degrees
    • 11/03/13:  Solar Eclipse at 12 degrees of Scorpio conjunct Saturn in Scorpio; Mercury retrograde in Scorpio conjunct the North Node of the Moon at 8 degrees Scorpio

    November 7 – November 15, 2013

    • 11/07/13:  Jupiter in Cancer stations retrograde at 20º31′
    • 11/09/13:  Heliacal rise in the East at Sunrise for Mercury in Scorpio-  Mercury is once again at the phasis point of 15 degrees behind the Sun, meaning that Mercury now ascends to the Upperworld from the Underworld in mythic terminology and will now correspond with a more objective perception as Mercury stations direct and moves forward as a Morning Star.
    • 11/10/13:  Mercury in Scorpio stations direct at 2º32′ in trine to Neptune in Pisces
    • 11/13/13:  Moon in Aries conjunct Uranus at 10 degrees
    • 11/14/13:  Neptune in Pisces stations direct at 2º35′ in trine to Mercury in Scorpio
    • 11/15/13:  Venus in Capricorn conjunct Pluto at 10 degrees

    November 25 – 27, 2013

    • 11/25/13:  Chiron in Pisces stations direct at 9º08′ in trine to Saturn and Mercury in Scorpio
    • 11/27/13:  Mercury in Scorpio moves beyond its retrograde shadow zone of 19 degrees, while in a wide Grand Water Trine with Jupiter in Cancer, Saturn in Scorpio, and Chiron in Pisces.


    Mercury Retrograde in Scorpio

    The most obvious aspect of the current retrograde cycle of Mercury in Scorpio is that it will be conjunct Saturn in Scorpio three times, and that it occurs in between eclipses.  Just the fact that a Scorpio Mercury in retrograde would conjunct Saturn three times, station retrograde a few days following a Lunar Eclipse, and then have its inferior conjunction with the Sun occur a couple of days before a Solar Eclipse, is amazing timing.  When we consider that the Lunar Eclipse initiating the Mercury retrograde is the first Aries/Libra cardinal eclipse that will become more prevalent in 2014, it gets more interesting, especially since the day of the Uranus-Pluto square and inferior conjunction between Mercury retrograde and the Sun occurs on a dark moon before a Solar Eclipse.  However, when we take in all of the other myriad transits occurring during this time period, outlined above, it becomes even more extraordinary.  If you have planets in your chart around the degrees of 8 to 10 or so, you will especially want to investigate how the upcoming transits will impact your chart.
    In addition to the prominence of Saturn in Scorpio in relation to Mercury, the next planet that becomes prominent upon a closer look is Neptune in Pisces.  This is because when Mercury in Scorpio eventually stations direct on November 10, 2013 it will be in trine to Neptune, and then Neptune will also be stationing direct a few days later on November 14, 2013, meaning that Mercury and Neptune will both be stationing direct at the same time in trine to one another.  The connection between this Scorpio Mercury retrograde cycle and Pisces Neptune is deep rooted, and will be important for those of us doing deep processing because the next Mercury retrograde cycle that will happen will be in Pisces and then Aquarius in February of 2014, aligned with Neptune in Pisces to such an extent that when Mercury stations retrograde it will be conjunct Neptune in Pisces.  Thus, at this time and across the next five months, the universe is displaying clear signs of the significant relationship between Mercury retrograde and Neptune in Pisces.  Neptune is a planet of illusion, and while one may argue that all of life is an illusion, it is through our perception of reality and what we choose to focus on through observation or belief that often pulls us into illusory thinking leading to behavior misaligned with how to navigate at an optimal level.  Since the current Scorpio Mercury will conjunct both Saturn and the North Node of the Moon in Scorpio three times during this time period, our greatest growth will come through taking a brutally honest look at ourselves in the mirror and facing our fears and past wounds in a way that helps transform them like a Phoenix in the fire, so that we can more fully experience the now and be more fully alive in the present moment of our current reality.  However, since we will be experiencing this potential at a time of Mercury being retrograde, we will gain awareness of a path toward transformation less through rational analysis and more  through following omens, signs, intuition, and images from dream that arise before us.
    In contrast, if we act from a place of past fear or wounding, victimize ourselves or focus on blaming others, it takes us into a greater likelihood of the lower nature of Scorpio, the more manipulative side that will use illusion in order to try to manipulate, control, or shame others.   Even if we are doing our own hard work of authentic and honest processing at this time, it will be important to remember that many people around us will not be doing deep internal work, and that many people may continue to act out or throw tantrums of one kind or another from a state of mind of believing that they understand reality in a way that is not actually connected to the deep, regenerative shifts in reality that will be in process at this time.  Those fixated in belief of one kind or another, unwilling to examine the underpinnings of their beliefs or their judgments toward others, most likely will end up coming into conflict with others to a greater level of intensity than normal as the square between Uranus and Pluto comes into exactness on November 1, 2013.
    Traditionally, November 1 is known as the “Day of the Dead,” a time to honor family ancestors through artistic expression and symbolic perception that are perfect for a time of Mercury being retrograde in Scorpio.  However, the Day of the Dead  this year will be an especially auspicious time to also release past family karma that we may discover is a source of limitation for us, as November 1 will be a Dark Moon prior to a Solar Eclipse in which there will be a conjunction in Scorpio between the Sun and Mercury retrograde, in addition to the square between Uranus and Pluto.   A great help will be the Grand Water Trine that has been occurring between Scorpio Saturn, Cancer Jupiter, and Pisces Chiron, the transitional celestial bodies of astrology that help bridge the more personal energy of Mercury, Venus, and Mars with the more galactic and “out there” energy of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto.  In fact, Jupiter will be stationing retrograde around the time of the Mercury retrograde cycle when Mercury becomes a Morning Star (this will be discussed in more detail below), and Pisces Chiron will be stationing direct at the end of November at the same time that Mercury will be picking up speed in its forward movement and leaving the retrograde “shadow” zone, meaning that Mercury will be moving past the point of its retrograde stationing at the same time that Chiron in Pisces stations direct.  Among other themes, the stationing of Cancer Jupiter and Pisces Chiron during this time reveals that part of our Scorpio Mercury work will be about ancestral memories, family karma, family dynamics of our early childhood as well as all of the “family” dynamics of one sort or another we have created through relationship in our lifetime.  The more we can sit with and sense the feelings that come up, without moving into a stagnant mindset of victimizaiton or negativity, the more we can work on releasing some habitual thought cycles that have been limiting our full potential and expression.
    Finally, it is also significant that this Scorpio Mercury retrograde cycle will feature sextiles between Mercury and both Mars and Venus, meaning that there will also be important opportunities to work on our personal issues and behaviors at this time.  As already mentioned, Mars being in the sign of Virgo and so in mutual reception with Mercury during this retrograde phase is a perfect use of the Virgo Mars energy, an archetype that can utilize various healing techniques and tools to problem solve and fine tune personal issues and patterns.  At the same time of the Lunar Eclipse and the stationing of Mercury retrograde, Mars in Virgo was in direct opposition to Neptune in Pisces, adding even further drive and potential to our ability to deeply examine what sorts of illusions or misguided beliefs or judgments may be operating in our personal sphere of interaction with the world around us.  The exact sextile between Virgo Mars and Scorpio Mercury will come at the same time of the inferior conjunction between Mercury and the Sun on November 1, the same day as the square between Uranus and Pluto- this is an extraordinary moment to align our actions and desires with the shift of feeling and perception we could be experiencing, in order to lead us onto a more fruitful path going forward.  However, on a cautionary note again with the aspects between all of this and Neptune in Pisces, with Scorpio Mercury moving retrograde, we also must remember that what we could be sensing at this time may be existing in the more ethereal or astral realms than in the physical and concrete reality around us.  It is a perfect time, however, to plant the seeds of bright dreams and great visions for our future.
    In comparison, Venus will shift into Capricorn and come into an exact sextile with Mercury around the time that Mercury stations direct in trine to Neptune in Pisces.  Within a week, Venus in Capricorn will then become conjunct Pluto and in square to Uranus in Aries.  Again, if we have been processing and releasing we could come into an opportunity to gain a greater capacity to begin manifesting greater abundance for ourselves and others in our life at this time.  However, if we are still clinging to past beliefs and conceptions about our life and reality at this time, we could just as well face a great personal crisis or come into conflict with others.  Since there are so many intense transits occurring during this time, there is no doubt that all of us will be stepping into challenging circumstances that test our mettle, and for those working on developing a more authentic identity for themselves, this newfound sense of identity will also surely be tested.  However, Venus coming into contact with Pluto in Capricorn will also be in sextile to Saturn in Scorpio and the North Node of the Moon, and so the difficulties could also be part of a great transformation we will eventually be grateful occurred in our life.


    Guide between the Upper and Underworld

    Despite a wealth of mythic support for the role of Mercury as being a Guide of Souls, the majority of astrological writing focuses on Mercury as being about communication issues rather than the relationship between our conscious and unconscious perceptions and the core issues of our psyche that connect with our ability to rebirth a more fully actualized Self.  Demetra George has two lectures I recently listened to entitled “Hermes: Guide of Souls” and “Hermes: Guardian of Thresholds” that are available for a total of fifteen dollars on her website, lectures that are well worth the money for anyone interested in gaining a deeper mythic understanding for the Mercury cycle in astrology.  In these two lectures Demetra illustrated how Mercury is a figure who can mediate between the upperworld and the underworld in myth in a similar manner to how in the retrograde cycle we are currently experiencing, Mercury also guides us to a descent into the underworld in order to ascend again back to the upperworld with the potential for a reborn Mercury to utilize in our daily life.
    Mercury never goes more than 28 degrees away from the Sun, and fascinatingly enough at the beginning of October 2013 Mercury reached its greatest degree of elongation from the Sun at the same time it became conjunct the North Node of the Moon and Saturn in Scorpio.  This first pass of Mercury across Saturn and the North Node at the time it began to shift into its slower phase that leads to stationing retrograde, set the theme for this cycle as being about taking total responsibility for our responses to and beliefs about life with the type of intensity demanded by a triple conjunction in Scorpio between Mercury, Saturn, and the North Node of the Moon.
    During the time from this first conjunction between Mercury, Saturn, and the North Node until now, Mercury has been an evening star and so operating on more of a subjective, instinctual, intuitive, and reflective level of perception.  On October 21 Mercury stationed retrograde as an evening star, deepening and intensifying the intuitive sense of Mercury.  However, an even more important date to focus on is October 25, when Mercury retrograde reaches its phasis point of being 15 degrees ahead of the Sun- this is the Heliacal set in the West of Mercury at Sunset, when Mercury will shift from a visible evening star to becoming invisible, the day in which Mercury descends into the underworld.  From this first day of Mercury’s descent into the underworld up until November 1 when Mercury reaches its inferior conjunction with the Sun, we will be experiencing the most mystical and mysterious Mercury manifestations, a time in which we will more readily receive messages from our unconscious, intuition, dreams, omens, and signs.  As Demetra George has taught, Mercury at this time will be a guide to our subjective and inner realms, and will be able to perceive through symbols more so than the articulation of words.  This period of the Mercury retrograde cycle is similar to the Dark Moon phase, a time in which we gain a greater capacity to release old thought forms and concepts in order to prepare for an integration of the new visions on the horizon ahead of us.  The ability for deep transformation will be facilitated at this time by Mercury retrograde in Scorpio becoming conjunct with Saturn on October 29, a few days after entering the underworld.  This will be a powerful day for intention and to become aware on an intuitive level of what needs to shift and what we can allow to be- we will want to open ourselves at the same time to the possibility that some of the things we are called to shift at this time could be some of the very same things we have drawn great strength and pride from in our past.
    Next, on November 1 we will experience the square between Uranus and Pluto at the same time of the inferior conjunction between Mercury retrograde and the Sun in Scorpio.  The inferior conjunction between Mercury and the Sun is like the potent moment of conception of the Mercury retrograde cycle.  Whatever circumstance we find ourselves in on this day, an experience which could be intense as we ride the wave of the Uranus-Pluto square, remember to take the time to do something symbolic, even if only for a moment, to honor the rebirth of Mercury and the potential the moment will offer for us to plant the seeds of a new vision aligned with our passion and purpose.  Remember, as this pivotal moment occurs a couple of days before a Solar Eclipse, we may be in a very disoriented and confused state of mind, so any practices we can take into this time period to help us relax, ground, and be present will be helpful.
    Finally, following the Solar Eclipse of November 3, a conjunction between Mercury retrograde in Scorpio and the North Node of the Moon, and then Jupiter in Cancer stationing retrograde on November 7, Mercury will enter its next significant phase of being reborn as a Morning Star and becoming visible again at Sunrise in the East on November 9 when it reaches the phasis point of being 15 degrees behind the Sun.  At this time Mercury will ascend to the upperworld again and become more curious to gather new information with a slight shift to a more objective, logical, and conscious perception as Mercury will station direct on the next day.  In the weeks following November 10, Mercury will begin picking up speed as it moves direct enthusiastically as the fleet footed messenger again, finally moving out of it’s retrograde zone on November 27, 2013.


    The phase of Mercury retrograde we will enter on October 25 when the Heliacal set at Sunset occurs not only corresponds to Mercury descending into the underworld, it also corresponds to Mercury functioning as the archetypal Magician.  Hermes in ancient Greek myth performed magical acts at various times, and then in Hellenistic Egypt the ulitmate magician, Hermes Trismegistus was created through an alchemical combination of the mythic figures of Hermes and Thoth.  In tarot, however, Mercury has always been connected to The Magician and linked to an ability to use all of the elements, all resources and techniques at one’e disposal, to completely transform one’s life through a clear and strong intention, vivid invocation of a new vision, and the channeling of universal energy.  In the image of the Magus above painted by Joyce Eakins from the Tarot of the Spirit deck, one can see the elemental tools of the pentacle, wand, sword, and cup:  the use of elemental tools to transform our lives not only corresponds to the Scorpio Mercury retrograde phase we are entering now, but also to the mutual reception with Mars in Virgo that will be ripening to an exact sextile on the day of the inferior conjunction between Mercury and the Sun, the day of conception for our reborn Mercury.  Mars in Virgo is a tool user, so it will be wise at this time to center within ourselves through each of our own unique creative gifts, tools, and techniques.
    Like many other tarot decks, the Tarot of the Spirit deck from which The Magus image above is from connects tarot with not only Astrology, but also the Qabalistic Tree of Life.  Mercury as The Magician card reveals the primal role Mercury plays in our process of manifesting form in our life through the Tree of Life, as The Magus connects the first path of Kether or “The Gate of Potential,” with the third path of Binah, or “The Gate of Form.”  Kether corresponds with the aces of the deck and the concept of Source, the Source of all existence, whereas Binah corresponds with the divine feminine and mother, the realm of receptivity.  The only other major arcana directly connected to Kether are The Fool and The High Priestess, so in this way Mercury as The Magician is able to help us transform our lives through wielding the elemental tools because it is the direct conduit between Source and Form in our reality.  During this Mercury retrograde time in Scorpio, a time period that may correspond with great calamity around us, may we each take the moment to ground and realize our potential to transform not only our thinking, perception, and communication, but also the very fabric of our lives.

    References

    Eakins, Pamela. (1992).  Tarot of the Spirit. Weiser.
    George, Demetra. (2008).  Lecture on Hermes: Guide of Souls.
    George, Demetra. (2012).  Lecture on Hermes: Guardian of Thresholds. UAC.
    Wikipedia on “Liminality.”  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality
    http://esotericembers.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/mercury-retrograde-the-liminality-of-being-in-between-becoming/
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    Post  Didymos on Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:22 am

    THEeXchanger wrote:
    Floyd wrote:As I say. There is no such thing as a new age religion.
    There is no central holy book or creed.
    Nabs is a misnomer.
    There are however various alien cults.
    Many of them who adopt alleged new age beliefs like astrology.
    Floyd, one only needs ONE strand of DNA,
    that is humanoid to incarnate to earth ;)
    THEeXchanger wrote:
    "Playing field" ???

    "Floyd, this is NOT some sort of play or playing field
    ~ this is NOT an illusion...
    in THE PiVOT of THE NOW
    everything is very REAL.
    There is absolutely NO illusion,
    it is the only place,
    where past, present, future and now
    come back together again."

    ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger



    THEeXchanger wrote:
    Floyd wrote:Thanks for that. Really.
    Floyd wrote:Pardon me admin . But is the above nude picture fine?
    I know others have been banned for posting nudity by mercurial?
    Just how level is the playing field?
    November 3rd's Rare Solar Eclipse
    "The Armageddon New Moon of the World TwinLogos"

    Syzygially speaking, the year's big event is a "hybrid" solar eclipse. The Moon passes directly across the Sun, yielding a fleeting annular eclipse at the beginning and a relatively brief total eclipse later on.

    When the Moon passes directly between the Sun and Earth, the usual outcome is either a total or annular solar eclipse. But the event on November 3rd is something of a hybrid. At the point in the North Atlantic where the Moon's umbral shadow begins its dash across Earth, about 600 miles (1,000 km) east of Jacksonville, Florida, an extremely well-placed observer would get to see a vestigial ring of Sun surrounding the Moon's silhouette for a few fleeting seconds just after sunrise.



    Sky & Telescope illustration / source: F. Espenak

    The eclipse on November 3, 2013, begins as an annular event (far-left end of green line) but quickly becomes a total solar eclipse as the moon's umbra crosses the Atlantic Ocean and central Africa. Click on the image for a larger version.

    But after that, as it races southeastward, the shadow's footprint is also moving closer to the Moon due to Earth's curvature. So the appearance switches to and remains a total eclipse — though a relatively short one. "Greatest eclipse," offering 99½ seconds of totality, occurs about 12:46 Universal Time at a point about 200 miles (330 km) southwest of the Liberian coast.

    The Moon's umbral shadow is only 29 miles wide (47 km) when it makes landfall in Gabon, where there'll be 68 seconds of totality. Then it slides east-northeastward through Congo (up to 53 seconds), Democratic Republic of the Congo (44 seconds), Uganda (19 seconds), northern Kenya (13 seconds), before ending in southern Ethiopia and westernmost Somalia (1 second at sunset).

    During the previous hybrid solar eclipse, in April 2005, a stretch of totality was sandwiched between annular views at the beginning and end. This year's edition is especially rare because it begins with annularity and ends with totality. Cartographer Michael Zeiler has amassed many maps and lots of graphical information on his website.

    For a little fun envisioning "what if" circumstances along the umbral path, check out Xavier Jubier's interactive eclipse map that overlays the umbral path on Google Earth.

    I'll be with Sky & Telescope's eclipse expedition on the eastern shore of Lake Turkana in northwestern Kenya, where we're hoping to see 11 seconds of totality. That's not very long — no time to be fumbling with camera settings! — but we'll be rewarded with astounding views of Baily's beads and long crimson arcs of the Sun's chromosphere.

    Several other small groups will be with us in Kenya, because that's where meteorologist Jay Anderson (the "high priest" of eclipse-weather forecasting) expects the best likelihood of cloud-free skies anywhere along the path of totality across Africa. And even from there it's only about a 50:50 proposition, so wish us luck!

    A Moon Bite for Breakfast

    Meanwhile, a wide swath of locations in the easternmost United States, northeastern South America, the Mediterranean, and virtually all of Africa get to enjoy a partial solar eclipse — weather permitting, of course.


    Sky & Telescope illustration / source: Stellarium

    Weather permitting, early risers along the Eastern Seaboard can see a partial solar eclipse at sunrise on November 3, 2013. Percentages show fraction of Sun's area covered by the Moon.

    In the U.S., the partial eclipse is already at maximum as the Sun peeks over the southeastern horizon at dawn. The farther east and north you are along the Eastern Seaboard, up through Boston, the better the view. Basically no one west of the Appalachian Mountains gets to see this one — early risers along a line from Akron to Atlanta experience only a slight nick in the rising Sun. The graphic at right shows six representative views.

    For a more complete set of cities, have a look at Zeiler's great map. Also check out this table of partial-eclipse circumstances for various cities compiled by Fred Espenak. (Note that the table uses Universal Time, so adjust for your time zone. As luck would have it, November 3rd is the day that the U.S. and Canada switch back to standard time.)

    To watch the partial eclipse at dawn, you'll need a flat, true horizon and binoculars or a telescope equipped with a safe solar filter over the front. Always use a proper solar filter when looking at the bright Sun, whether during a partial eclipse or at any other time. S&T's editors have many tips for viewing the Sun safely.

    http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/highlights/227679011.html


    Shiloh, October 28th, 2013

    [2:22:07 PM] Sirius 17: yes this is really cool
    [2:22:12 PM] Sirius 17: 'hybrid' eclipse lol
    [2:22:27 PM] Sirius 17: sorry i was cooking again
    [2:22:31 PM] Sirius 17: making ceveche
    [2:22:36 PM] Sirius 17: fish salad
    [2:22:48 PM] Sirius 17: now it is marinating
    [2:23:14 PM] Shiloh: http://www.birthofgaia.com/t255-letter-from-a-thuban-insider#3616
    [2:23:39 PM] Shiloh: Yes and I was unawares that the Armageddon Moon coincides with such a 'hybrid eclipse'
    [2:24:06 PM] Shiloh: More synchronicity with the timelines
    [2:24:13 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [2:24:27 PM] Sirius 17: who is this royal woman Susan put as a pic?

    [2:24:30 PM] Shiloh: It ends and begins with totality
    [2:24:46 PM] Shiloh: [1:28 PM] Shiloh:

    <<< This year's edition is especially rare because it begins with annularity and ends with totality.[1:28 PM] Shiloh:

    <<< During the previous hybrid solar eclipse, in April 2005, a stretch of totality was sandwiched between annular views at the beginning and end. This year's edition is especially rare because it begins with annularity and ends with totality. Cartographer Michael Zeiler has amassed many maps and lots of graphical information on his website.

    [2:25:01 PM] Shiloh: Lol Logos at work as the 'thief in the night'
    [2:25:10 PM] Shiloh: The Ouroboros
    [2:25:13 PM] Sirius 17: nice
    [2:25:18 PM] Shiloh: The alphaomega sabbath
    [2:25:42 PM] Shiloh: And Mount Etna erupts just as the Dragon catches its tail
    [2:25:55 PM] Shiloh: And the 'know it better' fathers fell asleep
    [2:26:58 PM] Shiloh:

    2 Peter 3:3-5
    King James Version (KJV)

    3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
    4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
    5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
    [2:27:57 PM] Sirius 17: what does that mean the earth was standing out of the water and in the water?
    [2:28:53 PM] Shiloh: This is the decoding of the Noahic flood as the waters coming from above and below
    [2:29:11 PM] Sirius 17: as well as inside and outside
    [2:29:19 PM] Sirius 17: the GOT again as above so below
    [2:29:23 PM] Sirius 17: ect ect
    [2:29:47 PM] Shiloh:

    Genesis.7.10-12

    10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
    11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
    12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
    [2:29:58 PM] Shiloh: See this?
    [2:30:19 PM] Shiloh: The Fountains of the deep are the 'rains' or waters from below
    [2:30:40 PM] Shiloh: The windows of heaven are the 'rains' from above
    [2:30:58 PM] Sirius 17: ok yes

    [2:34:18 PM] The 13th Bridge: an ancestor of mine
    [2:34:22 PM] The 13th Bridge: she is very pretty
    [2:34:40 PM] The 13th Bridge: i used to look like that; when i was young and beautiful
    [2:34:48 PM] The 13th Bridge: i'll look and see if i can find a picture of the old me
    [2:35:00 PM] The 13th Bridge: the pin up girl ?
    [2:35:09 PM] The 13th Bridge: she looks a lot like my mum did
    [2:35:15 PM] The 13th Bridge: and, my grandma
    [2:35:19 PM] The 13th Bridge: when they were young
    [2:35:27 PM] The 13th Bridge: i love that pinup; she is awesome looking woman
    [2:35:32 PM] The 13th Bridge: both are quite nice
    [2:35:44 PM] The 13th Bridge: is floyd a woman or a man
    [2:35:55 PM] The 13th Bridge: sometimes; i sense their opposite energies
    [2:36:02 PM] The 13th Bridge: brook sounds like a man on the phone
    [2:36:05 PM] The 13th Bridge: i'm not joking
    [2:36:27 PM] The 13th Bridge: very pleasant to talk to
    [2:36:32 PM] The 13th Bridge: i wonder if it was at first lionhawk
    [2:36:40 PM] The 13th Bridge: saying she was brook
    [2:36:44 PM] The 13th Bridge: some women have low voices
    [2:36:55 PM] The 13th Bridge: but; it sure wasn't the voice i was expecting
    [3:01:22 PM] Shiloh: Floyd is a man, as is Lionhawk
    [3:01:38 PM] The 13th Bridge: I'M CALLING THE 22 FIGURE
    [3:01:42 PM] The 13th Bridge: THE KEY of BROOK (22)
    [3:01:45 PM] The 13th Bridge: Wink SHE WILL love that
    [3:21:44 PM] Shiloh: Your mirror images are trying to say the 26 Alphabet as two 13 cipher series
    [3:21:59 PM] Shiloh: ABC...LM=123...12.13
    [3:22:01 PM] Shiloh: And  NO...XYZ=14.15...24.25.26
    [3:22:09 PM] The 13th Bridge: yes, that i knew
    [3:22:19 PM] The 13th Bridge: you know; that is also in your hands and; 33 in your palm

    [3:23:18 PM] Shiloh: yes and I share this bit on the forum in the proper context

    ABC...KLM=1-2-3...11-12-13 as the upper or first Head half of the 26-letter Arabic alphabet and
    NOP...XYZ=14-15-16...24-25-26 as the lower or second Tail half of the same.

    Why a German saying goes like: "In die Hände meine Lieben, wurde euch MM geschrieben", which translates as: "In your hands is written MM", referring to the Destiny-Heart-Mind lines of course.
    Then you can use your symmetries of mirror reflections and inversions etc. etc. to finetune this base sequence of the alphanumerical gematria. In membrane physics the 26 tieredness refers to the 26-dimensional bosonic superstring of integral elementicity. So you actually find a modern scientific interpretation for your Brook22 key away from the Hebrew and other alphanumerical base templates and definitions


    THEeXchanger wrote:

    ...just passing through

    and, the reverse of The Brook Key (22)
    [2:35:15 PM] Sirius 17: yeah this is going to be a powerful eclipse
    [2:36:34 PM] Sirius 17: 11/20/13:  Chiron in Pisces stations direct at 9º07′ in trine to Saturn at 15°55' and the Dragon Node at 6°28' and the Scorpio Sun at 28°20' and exact to Mercury in Scorpio. Chiron at the Armageddon New Moon of November 3rd at 12:50UCT is at 9°14.5' is in the same water trine to the Sun at 11°16' with the Dragon Node at 7°22' and Saturn at 13°53' and Mercury at 7°30'
    [2:37:01 PM] Sirius 17: humm James and I have Chiron in Pisces
    [2:39:55 PM] Shiloh: Pisces is the Christ sign of the old age and Chiron is the Cosmic Healer from the native sixth house of the Health and Pets and ETs, and ruler of Virgo with the Unicorn of Isaiah's Dragon prophecy
    [2:43:07 PM] Shiloh: As the precession of the equinoxes is retrograde the new age is that of the 11th sign of Aquarius from the 12th sign of Pisces. The so called Vesica Pisces then is symbolized by the Ouroboros catching its own tail as the galactic dragon of the linear timeflow becoming quantum circular in closure

    Susan's statement here fits perfectly:

    "Floyd, this is NOT some sort of play or playing field
    ~ this is NOT an illusion...
    in THE PiVOT of THE NOW
    everything is very REAL.
    There is absolutely NO illusion,
    it is the only place,
    where past, present, future and now
    come back together again."

    ~ Susan Lynne Schwenger

    [2:45:47 PM] Sirius 17: yeah
    [2:46:02 PM] Sirius 17: she nailed it lol
    [2:46:45 PM] Shiloh: At times she is fully 'with it'!
    [2:46:52 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [2:47:14 PM] Sirius 17: she just may come pay you a visit lol
    [2:47:53 PM] Shiloh: She intuited the October 21st date from her astral perspectives as well, without realising the timespace codes - the beginning of the 'Hour' of the Armageddon
    [2:49:15 PM] Sirius 17: well she has always been tuned into the numerology and dates ect
    [2:49:48 PM] Shiloh: With a bit of nabs intermixed with it
    [2:50:09 PM] Sirius 17: yes, she is very curious about a lot of things
    [2:50:23 PM] Sirius 17: plethora of comparisons
    [2:50:27 PM] Shiloh: True
    [2:50:33 PM] Sirius 17: it is easy to get lost in all of that
    [2:50:38 PM] Sirius 17: but i think she sees connections
    [2:50:39 PM] Shiloh: Data overloads
    [2:50:47 PM] Shiloh: Oh sure, she feels them
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    Post  Didymos on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:22 pm


    Solar Eclipse (Saros Series 143, number 23)
    3rd November 2013 at 11 Scorpio (Fixed Water)
    by Andrew Smith






    One of the amazing facts about the our solar system that despite the Sun physical size being 400 times larger than the Moon, the Earth is 400 times as far away from the Sun. This creates the illusion that the Sun and the Moon look like they are the same size to us here on Earth. When the Moon passes either fully or partially in front of the Sun, occulting, or blocking out the light of the Sun, a shadow falls on the Earth as the Moon appears to exactly cover the sun's disc. This shadow is called a solar eclipse.



    A solar eclipse can happen only at New Moon, when the Sun and the Moon are in conjunction as seen from the Earth, also known as a syzygy. During a total eclipse the disk of the Sun is fully concealed by the Moon. In partial and annular eclipses only part of the Sun is covered. The reason why we do not have a total solar eclipse every single month at the New Moon is because the Moon’s orbit is neither a perfect circular orbit nor in the same orbital plane as the Earth. The Moon's orbit is tilted at more than 5 degrees to Earth's orbit (called the ecliptic) around the Sun, so its shadow at most New Moons usually misses the Earth. For an eclipse to occur, the Moon’s orbit must cross the Earth’s orbit, at a point called the Nodes (figure 3). Whilst this can happen between two and five times a year, there are, however, never more than two potential total eclipses in any given solar year (figure 4).



    Total solar eclipses are rare at any particular location because the totality exists only along a narrow path on the Earth's surface traced by the Moon's shadow. This is because the Moon's orbit is elliptical often taking the Moon far enough away from the Earth that its’ apparent size is not large enough to totally block out the Sun. This can either result in an annular eclipse or a partial eclipse, named so because the Sun is only partially occulted. The eclipse on the 3rd November 2013 will be a TOTAL ANNULAR eclipse, so called because the Sun appears as a very bright ring, or annulus, surrounding the dark disk of the Moon. If you live in within the band of the Northern Atlantic Ocean, between 4 degree North and 30 degree North, the total eclipse will be visible from the northern Atlantic Ocean (east of Florida) to Africa (Gabon, Republic of Congo, Uganda), with the maximum of 1 minutes 39 seconds visible from the Atlantic Ocean south of the Ivory Coast and Ghana. You will not ‘see’ the eclipse in Ireland, but will see a partial eclipse from Spain, Portugal and Malta. For the rest of us, we will ‘feel’ it but not see it!


    EventTime GMT
    First location to see partial eclipse begin3 Nov, 10:05
    First location to see full eclipse begin3 Nov, 11:06
    Maximun eclipse3 Nov, 12:49
    Last location to see full eclipse end3 Nov, 14:28
    Last location to see partial eclipse end3 Nov, 15:28

    See figure 5. The eclipse path will be visible in the areas that are shaded red. The lighter the red shading, the less the Sun will appear to be covered. The dark strip in the centre indicates the best locations for viewing the eclipse. Here the moon will appear in the centre of the sun's disk.



    What does an Eclipse Mean?

    But let us move away from the physical explanation for this stellar-lunar phenomenon as this is not astrology. Astrology is the search for meaning within cosmos, not the understanding of the physics of the cosmos!

    In our present times eclipses are wondrous astronomical events, captivating the hearts and imaginations of astronomers, photographers and everyday folk’s alike. However, if you scan across websites and blogs that seek to interpret the human impact of an eclipse, you get a different picture. It is also one of doom, fear and negativity. Okay, so there are more earthquakes and earth tremors recorded around the time of an eclipse (particularly lunar eclipses) and those events can be very impactful on the communities that experience the Earth shaking. And yes there are other significant physical changes on the earth during an eclipse such as crescent shadows being cast from the light filtering through leaves on trees; plant sap rising significantly; and local temperatures can drop up to 20 degrees or more near a total eclipse of the Sun. But the mistake of correlating physical with psycho-spiritual has resulted in turbulence through which eclipses are interpreted, not lest if you consider the prevailing consciousness within whom those medieval philosophers were writing their predictions.

    I believe this stems from the intentional suppression of wisdom during the violent medieval evangelical Christian period in Europe, when any information that prompted self-knowledge was vigorously destroyed. Without the knowledge of our interconnectedness, our dream-like existence on the earth realm, our understanding of the cycles of nature, it is perfectly understandable to feel the End is Nigh, or the God is angry, when the sky inexplicably blackening, the birds stopped singing and the stars could be viewed during the day. It is easy to see how the Church could interpret the darkening of the day as a time when there is a weakening of human nature, an increase of avarice and stupidity and a proliferation of both good and bad demons over the face of the Earth. Indeed, the ancient Chinese believed that solar eclipses occur when a celestial dragon devours the Sun, as the term for eclipse was "chih" which also means "to eat". That coupled with the higher concentration of natural earth phenomena has added fuel to an un-necessary artificial fire.

    The projection of patriarchal moral values onto a feminine approach to life (which astrology was part of) has left a deep impact on those that seek to interpret meaning from celestial phenomena. Those cultures that did not base themselves on hierarchical, patriarchal, fear and control based ideologies saw an eclipse as a time wherein a portal was opened allowing them to more freely pass between the multitudes of realms that exist within consciousness. It is a time when we were able to talk directly and with clarity to a higher power since the eclipse marked an intensification of the unification of the Lights of the Earth. So the symbolic power that lies behind an eclipse lies with the notion that a passageway leading to the gOd realm is opened and we have a more immediate ability to communicate with the Source than usual.

    The process of stepping away from the busyness of life and to take time to reflect and start afresh is given a greater emphasis at the time of a solar eclipse since the radiance of our Source energy is obscured and the focus is upon any unresolved needs that are given a portal of light through which to escape from their imprisonment within the dark of your unconscious, resurfacing so as to be released and better understood in the light of your current awareness and consciousness.

    A Family of Portals

    All eclipses are members of families, each with their own family constellations and dynamics. There can be up to 70 members to each family (or cycle), each connection to the parent being established over 12 to 15 centuries occurring at intervals every 18 years. The forth coming eclipse is member 23 from a family of 72 eclipses within the Saros Series number 143, which began on the 7th March 1617 and ending on the 23rd April 2897 BCE.



    The energetics of this current series stems from an emotionally fluid, radically charged parent, whose potential promoted an openness to seek truth, to strongly encourage humanistic ideals, to break free from traditional thinking and to open a portal in consciousness to allow inspired dreams and ideals to circulate free through the Earth Plane. The time of birth of this ‘Daddy’ eclipse (it is a YIN eclipse) is imbued with a consciousness that seeks to freely circulate amongst the dreamscape, freely connecting in with ideals, aspirations and fledgling thought forms that carry with them the potential to destabilise our experience of our everyday thoughts. That this eclipse’s potential is extant this coming November, adds to the already decreased veil between our world and the world beyond our physical senses. I would therefore expect to hear heightened stories of lucid dreaming experiences, innovations and insights on one hand and disturbances of the nervous system, lack of clarity and heightened nervousness and scattiness on the other hand. That this eclipse is really only seen over Africa, we can expect that our mundane focus will be on our primal mind that originates from Lucy’s (supposedly the first humanoid) community (more on Elizabeth Hathway’s blog - http://astrologieblog.nl/2013/10/19/astrology-some-thoughts-on-novembers-solar-hybrid-eclipse/).

    With such benefic origins, the offspring eclipses carry within them the seed of the ability to generate enormous emotional ideals within this realm of feeling, enabling us to access greater levels of compassion, forgiveness and awareness in our own emotional interactions with those closest to us. That this parent eclipse flows into the Scorpionic eclipse means that there is an opportunity to heal on a global level, the hurt, vindictiveness, prejudice, racism, misunderstanding and fear that has been generated towards the African continent and Equatorial African’s in particular. However, since an eclipse is not dependent upon visual factors, those conditions are there for anyone to interweave into their own lives, as the trinal connection between the eclipses opens a pathway of healing and release, as those feelings of openness and compassion, insight and awareness flow into our deeply rigid, emotionally charged thought forms (Sun and Moon in Pisces, trining Uranus in Cancer, trining the current Scorpionic stellium).

    Since we are integrating two water eclipses, an adaptable parent with its more stoic offspring, means that waves are being created on the surface of the swimming pool. This metaphor implies that there is some movement to the contained feelings that are rigidly defining our world, allowing the depth of emotion circulate more freely as those currents create a ripple effect within the deep waters of the pool. That another Grand Trine in Water is being formed implies that the consensus reality in which we reside is being highlighted.

    Water is our life giver. We cannot survive without her. She is instinct. She is feeling. She is shapeless, fluid and malleable. Her fixity shaped and sculpted the earth during the Ice Age; her cardinality continues to shape our land and give us energy in the form of waves; and her mutability pours her life giving elixir on us in the form of rain clouds. Ours is the blue planet, so named because of this element. We have built our cities on the landscape she has shaped – riverbeds, alluvial planes, coastlines. She can extinguish even the hottest known fire, lava; flood or fertilise our earth; and cool our air. She nourishes and activates life.

    In terms of consciousness, water is simply energy in motion – e-motion. Emotion is what fuels us. According to esoteric teachings our manifest reality begins with an idea. However a thought by itself has no momentum until it is charged. Once fuelled by passion (emotion) a thought becomes very, very powerful indeed. You can use the strength of your Heart to transform any restrictive emotions, or transmute negative emotions to their opposite positive emotions. But this requires you to always remain fully aware of your feelings and emotions at all times. This is alchemy in action.

    The formation of this geometric pyramidal structure, or Grand Trine, effectively opens up an energetic gateway that enables us to consciously access and integrate the wisdom extant within the three realms of consciousness - Experience, Aspiration and Divinity. Its presence affords us a very powerful opportunity for cleansing and connection at a divine level, since water is the source of cleansing, purification and regeneration. The emotional shifts possible at this time are HUGE as the depth of feeling, intuitive wisdom and compassion accessed will help you experience profound healing as hidden truths easily emerge soothed and healed, easing any Soul, family or relationship related pain and suffering that you carry. The effect is similar to the Sacred Grand Water Trine of July, which can be re-read at https://db.tt/4VtFOyBc.




    So as the collective light is partially dimmed, we are afforded the opportunity to focus within on our soul’s light and to reconnect with our inner light. We can really fire up the light within us, since the Scorpion archetype is really all about anchoring a feeling within the physical matrix of humanity, something discuss on the Scorpio New Moon, which can be read at or listen to at https://db.tt/vRtSPJld. To fully understand the psycho-spiritual implications of what an eclipse means for you all you need to remember is that an eclipse accentuates a region of your life through a process of removing the egoic light and reactions within an arena of your life, so that you can heal and gain personal insight. You can read about applying this eclipse at the following link - https://db.tt/sViotC06

    Thank you again for either reading or listening to the narration of this article.

    All rights reserved. Andrew Smith, 18:59 BST, 20th October 2013







    About the Author



    Andrew Smith
    discovered astrology in 1993 and has for the past 16 years run a very busy international private practice based in South Dublin, Ireland. He is married to Karen, also an astrologer, and has two children, Sarah and Maya.

    Andrew has been writing extensively for clients over the past two years and this article is a return to a more engaged relationship with the astrological community, which he left to focus on client work in 1998, when he moved away from teaching in his school, the Dublin Astrological Centre and editing the Dublin Astrologer journal.  

    He believes that everyone ultimately 'knows' astrology and that all an astrologer is doing is to help re-connect and make objective the rhythm of both an individual's life and that of the collective in a manner that can offer more conscious choice.  

    Since Andrews' private practice (corporate and personal alike) have emerged solely through referrals he has no website, but can be contacted via email on dastroc@iol.ie. He also has a web presence on facebook and on linkedin.





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    Rare ‘Hybrid’ Solar Eclipse on November 3, 2013: How to See It

    by David Dickinson on October 28, 2013


    A partially eclipsed setting Sun as seen from Dallas, Texas on May 20th, 2012.
    This weekend’s eclipse will offer U.S. East Coast residents a similar sunrise view.
    (Credit: Jason Major/Lights in the Dark).


    It’s almost upon us. The final eclipse of 2013 occurs this coming weekend on Sunday, November 3rd.
    this will be the fifth eclipse overall, and the second solar eclipse of 2013.
    This will also be the only eclipse this year that features a glimpse of totality.
    This eclipse is of the rare hybrid variety— that is, it will be an annular eclipse along the very first 15 seconds of its track before transitioning to a total as the Moon’s shadow sweeps just close enough to the Earth to cover the disk of the Sun along the remainder of its track.


    An animation of the path of the November 3rd hybrid solar eclipse. (Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center).
    How rare are hybrid solar eclipse? Of the 11,898 solar eclipses listed over a 5,000 year span from 1999 BC to 3000 AD in Fred Espenak’s Five Millennium Catalog of Solar Eclipses, only 569, or 4.8% are hybrids.


    Who can see this eclipse?
    People from northern South America, across the U.S. Eastern Seaboard and up through the Canadian Maritimes will see a brief partial solar eclipse finishing up around 30 minutes after local sunrise.
    The brief annular “ring of fire” portion of the eclipse begins at sunrise just ~1,000 kilometres east of Jacksonville, Florida, as it races eastward across the Atlantic. See our timeline, below.


    Eclipse prospects for the US East Coast. (Courtesy of Michael Zeiler @EclipseMaps)

    Nearly all of Africa and the southern Mediterranean region including Spain will see partial phases of the eclipse, while greatest totality occurs just off of the coast of Liberia and heads for first landfall on the African continent over Wonga Wongue Reserve in Gabon.
    At this point, the duration of totality will already have shrunk back down to 1 minute and 7 seconds.
    The shadow of the Moon will then cross central Africa, headed for a short but brilliant sunset total eclipse over Uganda, Ethiopia, Kenya and Somalia.


    The global path of this weekends eclipse-click to enlarge. (Credit: Michael Zeiler, @EclipseMaps).

    This particular eclipse part of saros series 143 and is member 23 of the 72 eclipses in the cycle.
    The first eclipse in this saros occurred on March 7th, 1617, and the last one will occur on April 23rd, 2897.

    Saros 143 also has a checkered place in eclipse history.

    The last eclipse in this series crossed south eastern Asia on October 24th, 1995.
    The first detailed picture of a solar eclipse was also taken of a saros 143 member on July 28, 1851.
    And one saros later, a total solar eclipse on August 7th, 1869 may have saved the butt of astronomer and explorer George Davidson while traversing the wilds of Alaska. And one more saros period later, Dmitri Mendeleev (he of the modern periodic table) observed the total solar eclipse of August 19th, 1887 from a balloon.


    A daguerreotype image of the 1851 eclipse captured by Berkowski of the Royal Observatory in Königsberg, Prussia. (Public domain image).
    We’ve compiled a brief worldwide timeline for the November 3rd hybrid eclipse.
    Keep in mind, the shift back off of Daylight Saving Time occurs on the same morning as the eclipse for North America, putting the U.S. East Coast once again back to -5 hours off of Universal Time (UT):
    10:04 UT: The partial phases of the eclipse begin.
    11:05:17 UT: annular phases of the eclipse begin.
    11:05:36 UT: The eclipse transitions from an annular to a total along its track.
    12:46: The point of greatest eclipse, occurring off of the SW coast of Liberia along the coast of Africa.
    The path will be 57 kilometres wide at this point with a maximum duration for totality at 1 minute & 40 seconds.
    14:27 UT: The total phases of the eclipse end.
    15:28 UT: Partial phases end.

    Remember that solar safety is paramount while observing an eclipse during all partial phases.
    This is especially critical, as millions of viewers along the U.S. East Coast are poised to catch the eclipse at sunrise over the Atlantic on Sunday.
    Use only glasses designed specifically for eclipse viewing or welder’s glass #14.
    One project headed by Astronomers Without Borders is also working to provide eclipse glasses to schools in Africa.


    Students in Tanzania demonstrating proper eclipse viewing safety. (Credit: Astronomers Without Borders).
    Projecting the Sun onto a wall or a piece of paper is also a safe method to observe the eclipse.
    Construction of a Sun Gun, a pinhole projector, or even using a spaghetti strainer or colander to project the partially eclipsed sun are all fun projects to try.
    Shooting pictures of the rising eclipse is also possible using a DSLR.
    To capture the disk of the Sun plus an outline of the foreground, you’ll want to use a combination of low ISO 100 and a fast shutter speed (1/4000 or faster) and a zoom lens of at least 200mm or greater. Keep in mind, DO NOT look at the Sun through the camera’s view finder — simply set the focus to infinity and aim via projection. It’s worth practicing your technique a morning or two prior to the main event!
    As the partial phase of the eclipse progresses, keep an eye out for “tiny crescents” that may litter the ground.
    These are caused by gaps in things such as leaves, latticework, etc that may act as natural “pinhole projectors”.
    Those lucky enough to stand in the path of totality may snare a look at shadow bands sweeping across the landscape as totality approaches, as well as catch a brief glimpse of Baily’s Beads and the pearly white corona of the Sun.
    Totality will last less than a minute across most of central Africa, giving viewers a very hurried view before partial phases commence once more. Venus will be easily visible at magnitude -4.4 just 47 degrees east of the Sun.
    Unfortunately, prospects aren’t great for air or seaborne viewers in the mid-Atlantic to catch sight of comet ISON during the frenzied moments of totality, which will sit 50 degrees from the Sun between magnitude +7 & +8.


    The sky over Gabon during mid-eclipse. (Created by the author using Starry Nite).

    Weather prospects are an all-important consideration when planning for an eclipse.
    Jay Anderson maintains an outstanding site with projections tailor-made for each eclipse. For the U.S. East Coast, clear skies right down to the crucial eastern horizon will be key!

    A recent surge in piracy off of the West Coast of Africa may also factor into travel considerations for eclipse chasers.
    You can actually monitor such activities on the high seas now in near real time .
    Perhaps one could take a page from Mark Twain’s A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, and impress any would-be-brigands with the glory of an impending solar eclipse…
    Unfortunately, the International Space Station will have an orbit nearly perpendicular to the Earth-Moon-Sun syzygy, and won’t lend itself to any great prospects of a transit during the partial phases of the eclipse.
    ESA’s Proba-2 and JAXA’s Hinode will, however, see several partial eclipses from orbit:

    Sunspot activity has also been on the upswing as of late, making for a photogenic Sun heading into the partial phases of the eclipse. A well-placed, naked eye Coronal Mass Ejection on the solar limb also isn’t out of the question. Eclipse historian and expert Michael Zeiler notes that a CME last occurred during a total solar eclipse way back in 1860.


    Sunspot activity as of October 28th… will it stay active until this weekend’s eclipse? (Photo by author).
    Totality for this eclipse passes over some wild and largely wifi free areas; few plans to broadcast the eclipse live have surfaced thus far.
    Slooh plans a broadcast, as did a proposed Indiegogo project whose current status is unclear.
    BRCK also plans to broadcast the eclipse live from the shores of Lake Turkana, Kenya. Got plans to webcast even the partial phases of the eclipse? Let us know!
    And speaking of eclipse chasing, we plan on heading to the Florida Space Coast Sunday morning at o’dark thirty to nab the partial sunrise eclipse over the Atlantic.
    And as always, the question posed immediately after totality is: when’s the next one?
    Well, the next annular eclipse graces Australia on April 29th, 2014.
    The U.S. will also see a partial solar eclipse on October 23rd next year…but totality will not touch the surface of our fair planet until a high Arctic eclipse on March 20th, 2015.
    Good luck, clear skies, and safe journeys to all who are chasing after this one near and far, and don’t forget to post those pics to Universe Today’s Flickr page!
    -See more of Michael Zeiler’s work at Eclipse Maps.
    -Simulations were created using Starry Night Education Software.
    http://www.universetoday.com/105651/rare-hybrid-solar-eclipse-on-november-3-2013-how-to-see-it/

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