Floyd wrote:More Niburu nonsense to consider for those worried about a non existent planet heading for earth.
If its a 'large body' you are looking for head down to your local MacDonalds and you will find plenty there.
Orbits and Gravity
Planet X is claimed to be on an orbit that brings it close to the Sun every 3600 years. Now, if we assume that this orbit obeys the laws of gravity, then we can calculate its distance at any given time. This depends on the math of gravity, which is pretty well understood.
However, the equations used to figure distance based on orbital velocity are not simple, but I used the method as described by Dr. Joseph Gallant, Assistant Professor of Physics at Kent State University, which allows for plug-and-chug solutions. I find that in one year, Planet X must be about 900 million kilometers away from the Earth, give or take a hundred million. This is much closer to Earth than Saturn, and just a bit farther than Jupiter!
[Note (added July 27, 2002): A small Oops here; when I did this calculation originally, I did it incorrectly, and got a distance too small by about a factor of two (I originally said 550 million kilometers). I have been more careful and got this new number.]
I have written up detailed notes on how I arrived at this figure: what assumptions I made and how I calculated it. They are on the "Planet X and Orbit Math page. There is a fair bit of math there, but hopefully I have made it clear what I did and why I did it.
So, Planet X was roughly the same distance to us a Saturn in May 2002, it should have been at least as bright as Saturn and getting brighter by the minute. Saturn is one of the brightest objects in the sky. We see nothing like this, so again I conclude Planet X does not exist.
Of course, Mr. Hazlewood claims that we do not understand gravity, but that's completely incorrect. We understand gravity well enough to calculate orbits for comets and asteroids and send probes to other planets. If Planet X doesn't obey the laws of gravity as we know them, then it's magic, and then he's wrong anyway.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html#orbits
Nice find Floyd.
Here are some 'easy to watch' additions to Phil Plait's critique, which you might appreciate.
Thubanis might add some more detailed maths regarding the 'eccentricity' of 'Nibiru's' orbital dynamics. If he does, i will add it here.
From thubanis:
The Centripetal force for an orbiting body dynamically moving in a gravitational field is given as Newton's famous:
Fcentripetal = massxacceleration = ma = mv2/r
and must be balanced by the gravitational force between mass m and the 'force centre', which in a starsystem is of course the central sun of mass M.
We term the mass m the mass of Nibiru (or any other planet or orbiting body) and the mass M the mass of the Sun in Newton's gravitational law:
Fgravity=GmM/r2
and where r is the distance between Nibiru and the Sun at any time of the orbit.
mv2/r=GmM/r2... for ... ½mv2 = ½GmM/r
This is a case of the 'Virial Theorem':
2KE+PE=0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virial_theorem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_motion#Second_law
Nibiru and the Sun now form a 'closed' interacting dynamical system and elementary conservation laws of energy and momentum (both linear and angular) are preserved in such a system. As the Sun remains relatively at rest relative to Nibiru, the kinetic energy of the system can be approximated to derive from Nibiru (or the orbiting body) alone.
The Total Energy is Kinetic Energy:
KE=½mv2
plus Gravitational Potential Energy:
GPE=-GmM/r
for a 'combined mass' system given by the 'reduced mass', acting on the center of gravity between the two masses':
mreduced = mM/(m+M)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced_mass
The Total Energy E so is:
E=KE+GPE=½mv2-GmM/r
But 2KE=GPE in the Virial Theorem:
½mv2 = ½GmM/r ...for... E = ½GmM/r-GmM/r = -½GmM/r
And for circular and elliptical orbits the distance between m and M is maximised as the major axis '2a' between Aphelion (furthest distance from the Sun say as Apoapsis) and Perihelion (closest approach to the central mass M as Periapsis) for a semimajor orbital axis coordinate 'a'.
E = -½GmM/a = ½(mM/[m+M])v2 - GmM/r
This defines the velocity of Nibiru in its orbit around the sun:
v2 = 2G(m+M)/r - G(m+M)/a = 2G(m+M){1/r - 1/2a}
But Velocity=Displacement/Time = v=dx/dt for:
v(r) = v=dx/dt = √(2G[m+M]).√(1/r - 1/2a) = √(G[m+M]/a).√(2a/r - 1)
v
perihelion = √{(1+e)G(M+m)/(1-e)a}...as maximum velocity...with... r
perihelion = a(1-e)=a-ae ~ 0 for e close to 1
v
aphelion = √{((1-e)G(M+m)/(1+e)a} ...as minimum velocity...with... r
aphelion = a(1+e)=a+ae ~ 2a for e close to 1
Eccentricity e = (r
aphelion-r
perihelion)/(r
aphelion r
perihelion) = √{1-[b/a]
2}...with...a=½(r
aphelion r
perihelion)...and...b=√(r
aphelion.r
perihelion)
For a minimum distance of Nibiru at Perihelion of 1 AU = 1.5x10
11 meters, the eccentricity computes as:...e=1-r
perihelion/a =0.996
rperihelion = a(1-e) = 1.5x1011 meters for a maximum velocity:...vperihelion = √{(1+e)G(M+m)/(1-e)a}~42,190 m/s or 151,884 km/hour.
raphelion = a(1+e) = 7.025x1013 meters for a minimum velocity:...vaphelion = √{(1-e)G(M+m)/(1+e)a}~87 m/s or 314 km/hour.
a=½(raphelion rperihelion)=3.52x1013 meters...and...b=√{raphelion.rperihelion)=2.298x1012 meters
The Gravitational Acceleration of Nibiru must be the centrally directed force interaction:a
grav = dv/dt = (dv/dr).(dr/dt)= (dv/dr).v = d{½v
2}/dr = d{½.2G(m+M)(2a/r-1)/a}/dr = (G(m+M)/a).d{2a/r-1}/dr = {G(m+M)/a}.{-2a/2r
2} = -G(m+M)/r
2 ...as required.
agrav = dv/dt = -G(m+M)/r2
dv/dr = √(G[m+M]/a).{-a/(r
2√(2a/r - 1)) = -√(G[m+M]a).√(r/(2a-r)/r
2Which becomes the differential equation for the distance x of Nibiru at a time t:
dx = dr = √(2G[m+M])√(1/r - 1/2a)dt ...and corollarily... dt = √{(2ar/(2a-r)}/√(2G[m+M]) dr
for displacement coordinates between x=0 and x=2a; that is the 'hitting' of the Sun (or the earth) within a distance r=1 AU=150 billion kilometres or 1.5x10
11 meters and the maximum distance at Perihelion at twice the semimajor axis 2a= 471 AU or so 71 billion kilometers or 44 billion miles.
Integrating this for the displacement x of Nibiru from the Sun as the central focus at a time t:
t(x) = t(r) = ∫dx = ∫dr = 1/√(2G[m+M])∫√{(2ar/(2a-r)} dr
To evaluate this integral some more engaging mathematical concepts, definitions and derivations, requiring some algebraic manipulations, are applied. I show this for the mathematically familiar in a quote:
1. We change the surdic formula {√Box}=√(2ax/(2a-x) into a form of {1/√Box}, because the derivative of d{√Box}/dx=(d(Box)/dx)/(2√Box)
√(2ax/2a-x)=√{(2ax)/2a-x)}.√2ax/√2ax=(2ax)/√(4a
2x-2ax
2)
Because the surdic quadratic form f(x)=4a
2x-2ax
2 has derivative f'(x)=4a
2-4ax , we rewrite the numerator (2ax) = -½(4a
2-4ax) + 2a
2 Since d{√(4a
2x-2ax
2)}/dx =½(4a
2-4ax)/√(4a
2x-2ax
2), the integral equation then reads:
t(r) = ∫dr = -√(4a2r-2ar2)/√(2G[m+M]) (1/√(2G[m+M])∫2a2/√(4a2r-2ar2)dr
2. The second part of the integral engages the inverse trigonometric functions as integral solutions and we complete the square of the denominator to obtain a usable integrable form:
d{arcsin[x/a]}/dx=1/√(a
2-x
2)
from x=asiny with inverse y=arcsin(x/a) and dx/dy=acosy and (acosy)
2 (asiny)
2=a
2 for dy/dx=1/acosy=1/√(a
2-(asiny)
2)=1/√(a
2-x
2)
2a
2/√(4a
2x-2ax
2) = 2a
2/√{2a(a
2-[x-a]
2)} = √(2a
3)/√{(a
2-[x-a]
2}
The integral equation is now evaluated as a function of the arclength L of the orbit from Aphelion at L=½π radian or 90° (1 radian=180°/π) and where arcsin(90°)=arcsin(½π radians)= 1 to Perihelion at L=-½π radian or -90° and where arcsin(-90°)=arcsin(-½π radians)=-1 with respect to the arclength of |½π|+|-½π|=π radians as the semiorbit of Nibiru.
The integration limits from r=r
maximum=r
aphelion=2a-a(1-e)=a(e+1)=2a-1AU to r=r
minimum=r
perihelion=|-a+ae}=|a(e-1)|=a(1-e)=|-1AU|=1AU, for a |positive arclength 2π| now redefine the integral equation in:
t(r) = ∫dr = √(4a
2r-2ar
2)/√(2G[m M]) + {√(2a
3)/√(2G[m+M])}{arcsin[(r-a)/a]} + Integration Constant C
Constant C is then taken at Perihelion as time t=0, say at December 21st, 2012 for r=a(e-1)=-1AU and defines:
C= √(4a
3(1-e)-2a
3(1-e)
2)/√(2G[m+M]) - {√(2a
3)/√(2G[m+M])}{arcsin[(a-ae-a)/a]}= {√(2a
3[1-e
2]/2G[m+M]) - √(2a
3/(2G[m+M]){arcsin[-e]}=(1.808080x10
10){0.092220+1.478445}=2.83989x10
10C=√(a3/G[m+M]).{√(1-e2)+{arcsin[e]} then calculates as {2.84x10
10 seconds or 899.925 civil years} for the 'flat line' L=π pathlength approximation of Nibiru in 1800 civil years, stated as eccentricity e=0.99573864 and for G(m+M)~GM~1.3348x10
20m
3/s
2and a
3~4.36367x10
40 meters and with arcsin[e]~84°52'25" or 0.471π~ 1.478445 radians and as the semi arclength joining Perihelion to Aphelion in 900 civil years as the integration constant yielding a: Total Time = Time at coordinate r + Initial Time with period T=2π√(a
3/GM) from a
3=GMT
2/4π
2for √(a
3/GM)=T/2π~1.808080x10
10 seconds for Nibiru's 3600 civil year period.
The completed integral equation so becomes:
t(r) = -√(4a2r-2ar2)/√(2G[m+M]) + √(a3/G[m+M]).{√(1-e2) + arcsin[(r-a)/a] + arcsin[e]}For any given distance r of Nibiru from the Sun, the time t for this displacement can then be calculated.
We indicate the domain for x from -90° at Perihelion to +90° at Aphelion for a counterclockwise semiorbit from maximum Aphelion to minimum Perihelion with an intermediate value for r=a and so when Nibiru would be at a distance of its own orbital semimajor axis from the sun. This path then takes a combined semiperiod of 1800 years from Apehelion to Perihelion for the arcsin values of 90°=π/2 radians and -90°=-π/2 radians respectively. The value at 0°=0 radians then defines a timeframe within this 1800 year half cycle measured from Perihelion say, as the minimum time coordinate at t=0 for Perihelion at displacement r
perihelion=a(1-e), which requires the elliptical orbit to become circular for e=0 and a linear approximation as e approaches 1 in relation to the arclength travelled.
The mass m of Nibiru can be neglected in this formulation, because M+m=10
30+m with m much smaller than M.
a) r=a t(r=a) = -√(4a
3-2a
3)/√(2GM]) + √(a
3/GM){√(1-e
2)+arcsin[0]+arcsin[e]}=-√(a
3/GM){1-√(1-e
2)-0-arcsin[e]}=-1.8081x10
10(1-√0.007984-1.4813..)=-1.8081x10
10{-0.5707}~1.032x10
10seconds or so 327.0 civil years into the future or past from the Perihelion. This would then describe a timeperiod of 2012-327=1685 and the 'Age of Newton, Kepler and Galileo' from the 15th century and following the classical period of the renaissance.
The semi latus rectum coordinates (±ae,b√(1-e
2))=(3.5056x10
13,2.9939x10
11) then give the ordinate (y-value) for the distance of Nibiru vertically and orthogonally to the central force focal center of the Sun. The hypotenuse of the formed right triangle then approximates the distance D of Nibiru from the Perihelion in D
2=(ae)
2 b
2(1-e
2)=for D=√(1.2289x10
27 8.963410
22)~3.5057x10
13 and a value near r=a as the semimajor axis of Nibiru.
For D=v
Nibiruaveraget
Nibiru, t
Nibiru=D/v
Nibiruaverage]=3.5057x10
13/1947~1.800x10
10seconds or 570.4 civil years for a timemarker of the year in 2012-570=1442 and when the Renaissance began in the European 'Old World' and when the 'Age of Science' 'enlightened' the 'Dark Middle Ages' of superstition and ignorance with names like Michelangelo, Boticelli, Leonardo da Vinci and Christopher Columbus.
This marker also indicates the beginning of the 13th Mayan Longcount baktun ending on 13.0.0.0.0=4Ahau3Kankin as December 21st, 2012 - 144,000 days = September 18th, 1618 in 12.0.0.0.0=5Ahau13Zotz.
For a value of
r=a/2 one calculates t(r=a/2) =-√{3a
3/4GM} + √(a
3/GM).{0.08935 arcsin[-½]+arcsin[e]}=-1.8081x10
10(√0.75-0.08935+0.5236-1.4813..)=-1.8081x10
10{-0.1810}~3.273x10
9 seconds or so 103.72 'civil' years into the future or past from Perihelion for an approximate dateline 2012-104=1908 and the start of World War 1 and the Industrial-Military conglomerations.
If Nibiru is destined to intersect the 1 AU scale in 2012, then Nibiru was 234.7/2=117.4 AU or so 17.6 billion kilometers from the Sun's position about 104 years ago.
b) r=rperihelion=a(1-e) t
perihelion(r=1AU)=t(r=a-ae) = -√(a
3/GM){√(1-e
2)} + √(a
3/GM){√(1-e
2)+arcsin[-e]+arcsin[e]}=-√(a
3/GM){√(1-e
2)-√(1-e
2)-arcsin[e]-arcsin[e]}=0 as the zeropoint of calibration, chosen at the Perihelion and as required for the boundary-initial condition for the integral equation.
Remember, that the velocity of Nibiru changes in slowing down in the transversing of Aphelion and speeds up in the transversion of the Perihelion. So it takes longer to travel from Aphelion to the midpoint of the elliptical orbit as a quarter of the total path, then it does to travel from this midpoint to the Perihelion, namely at the r=a time coordinate of 327 civil years being shorter and as measured from Perihelion, than the 900-327=573 year interval from the Aphelion to the r=a time coordinate and nexus point.
c) raphelion=a(1+e)t
aphelion(r=2a-1AU)=t(r=a+ae)=-√(a
3/GM){√(1-e
2)}-√(1-e
2)-arcsin[e]-arcsin[e]}=-√(a
3/GM){2arcsin[e]}=-1.8081x10
10(2.9626..)~-5.3567x10
10 seconds or so 1697.5 civil years into the future or past from the Perihelion for a time setting of about 2012-1697.5=314.5 AD.
Should 2arcsin[e]=2[½π]=π for e=1; the arclength between Perihelion and Aphelion would be 2x½π radians for -1.8081x10
10(π)~-5.680x10
10seconds or 1800 years in the past or the future from Perihelion.
t(r=2AU)= -√(4a
2r-2ar
2)/√(2GM) √(a
3/GM).{√(1-e
2) arcsin[(r-a)/a]+arcsin[e]}=-1/√(2GM){√{4(1.2395x10
27)(3.0x10
11)-2(3.5206x10
13)(9.0x10
22)}-(2.0889x10
20).(0.09222 arcsin[-0.991479] arcsin[e])}~-1/√(2GM){√(1.4874x10
39-6.3371x10
36) - (2.0889x10
20)(0.09222-1.44016 1.47845)}~-1/√(2GM){√(1.4811x10
39) - (2.0889x10
20)(0.1305)}~(3.8485x10
19-2.7260x10
19)/(1.6339x10
10)~6.870x10
8 seconds or 21.8 civil years.
This then shows, that Nibiru would have been at a distance approaching the orbit of Mars for a semimajor axis of 1.524 AU and at the distance of the Asteroid Belt (about 2.2-3.3 AU) about 22 years ago in the year 2012-22=1990 and would have approached ever closer to its Perihelion position from 1990 to 2012 in the displacement interval for Nibiru from 2 AU around 1990 and at 1 AU in 2012.
d) rMars=1.5AU or 2.25x1011meters Intersection in approximately the year 1993t(r=1.5 AU)= -√(4a
2r-2ar
2)/√(2GM) √(a
3/GM).{√(1-e
2) arcsin[(r-a)/a] arcsin[e]}=-1/√(2GM){√{4(1.2395x10
27)(2.25x10
11)-2(3.5206x10
13)(5.0625x10
22)}-(2.0889x10
20).(0.09222 arcsin[-0.99361] arcsin[e])}~-1/√(2GM){√(1.1156x10
39-3.5646x10
36) - (2.0889x10
20)(0.09222-1.45769+1.47845)}~-1/√(2GM){√(1.1120x10
39) - (2.0889x10
20)(0.1130)}~(3.3347x10
19-2.360x10
19)/(1.6339x10
10)~5.965x10
8seconds or 18.9 civil years. So Nibiru would have intersected the orbit of Mars anno 1993, should it be at Perihelion in 2012.
Nibiru's Maximum speed near the Perihelion is so v
perihelion =42,138 m/s or 1.33x10
12meters per year or 1.33x10
12/1.5x10
11P=8.86 AU/year and Nibiru's Minimum speed at Aphelion is about v
aphelion = 90 m/s or 2.84x10
9m/year or 2.84x10
9/1.5x10
11=0.019 AU/year for a geometric mean speed of v
Nibiruaverage=√GM/a)=√{GM√(1-e
2)/b}~1947 m/s as (√(8.86x0.019)~√(0.168)~0.41 AU/year or so 168,400 kilometres per day or 7016 kilometers per hour in the semiminor axis b=√{r
aphelion.r
perihelion)=a√(1-e
2)=3.246430x10
12 meters.
As the speed near Perihelion would exceed the average speed of Nibiru, in a time from December 2011 to January 2012, Nibiru so would have been no farther away from Perihelion, than 0.41 AU, which is about half the orbit of Venus at 0.72 AU and near the orbit of Mercury at 0.39 AU. And for the June Solstice 2012 (with the Venus Transit 2012), Nibiru would have then been located about 0.2 AU from Perihelion, intersecting its highly unstable path in the orbit of the innermosts planet in the solar system in Mercury and Venus in gravitational perturbations. One could then mythologize Nibiru as the planet nearest the Sun, commonly called Vulcan.
For Linear Momentum p=mv the Angular momentum (
vector)
h=
rx
v=
L/m corresponds as L=mr
2ω=mrv=Iω with ω=v/r=2π/T and I=Σmr
2=Moment of Inertia
The Area for a Circle in y
2/r
2 + x
2/r
2=1 as A=πr
2 corresponds in x
2/a
2 + y
2/b
2=1 as A=πab
dA=½r.rdθ=½r
2ω.dt for dA/dt=½r
2ω =πab/T=Orbital Perimeter/Period
h=r
2ω=2πab/T=(2πab/2πa)√(GM/a)=√(b
2GM/a)=√(GMa[1-e
2])
Kepler's 3rd Law becomes:For tangential linear velocity: v=ωr=2πr/T; angular velocity ω=v/r=2πf=2π/T with frequency f=1/Period=1/T
acentripetal=v2/r=4π2/T2=4π2rv2=ω2r
GmM/r2 = mv2/r ...for...GM/r = v2 ...for... v=perimeter/period=2πr/T ...for... GM/r = 4π2r2/T2...for...T2 = 4π2r2r/GM
T2/a3 =4π2/GM
Nibiru's period T=3600 years and the Sun's mass is 2x10
30 kg with Newton's 'G' = 6.7x10
-11 m
3/(kg.s
2)
a
3=GMT
2/4π
2=4.36x10
40 meters, using 3600 years = 3600x365.2425x24x3600=1.1x10
11 seconds for unitary consistency.
a = {4.4x10
40}
⅓ meters = 3.520604x10
13 meters =(3.520604x10
13)/(1.5x10
11) meters = 234.71 AU for a Perihelion-Aphelion scale of 2a=469.42 AU or about 70.4 Billion kilometers
The Nibiru identification of 3600 years could very well be a created and fostered and 'appreciatedly tolerated New Age joke of deception' from the 'ptb' in using a concept of 'a second for a year' in the proportionality of 3600 seconds to the hour in a mimicry to the prophetic encoding of the 'day for a year' principle enciphered in the Book of Ezekiel, chapter 4. One might recall the reference in Ezekiel.1 to the 'chariots from the heavens' at the river Chebar, also often associated with the 'ancient Hindu flying machines' or vimanas and other such 'vessels from the skies', also used by the disinformers and 'artiste's de NABS' to mindconfuse their gullible audiences.
These 2 videos represent a classical manner as to how the 'alternative readers' are misled by the 'ptb', one might simply call a 'Federation of the Feds'. I highly recommend anyone to take the time to watch those 2 videos and then to REALLY and deeply think about the proposed 'truth' of this information. Feel free to share our discussion on this Raven. It might be ok on Floyd's threads or Thuban. Those videos and their 'proposed' realism form a backbone for the 'ptb' deception, which began after World War II with the transfer of the European 'feds' to the 'New Worlds'.
thubanis
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[5:05:01 AM-Friday, August 31st, 2012 - (+10UCT)]
Thubanis: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t5130p105-planet-x-niburu-hoax#80686
[4:38:19 AM] Ishtara Raven: ok i have watched the first video and your correct, this is absolutely a disinfo campaign by the ptb. At about half way through the video it gets ridiculous. And its the same rehash events proposed by the NABS community for some time. Old world Empire XXXX and cosmic wars blah blah, prison planet, blah blah.
[4:41:05 AM] Ishtara Raven: just incredibly stupid stuff lol. i was a bit intrigued at first then as the Domain descriptions and Old world Empire stuff came in I immediately realised this is bogus crap, not written in 1947 by some nurse, no way.
[4:54:14 AM] Ishtara Raven: she uses the word pervert a lot, so written by someone who obviously has experienced abuse. Also in one passage the alien calls the earth 'ghetto'. She says the closest aproximation you could come if you searched every planet in the universe to 'HELL' woud be earth.
[4:54:54 AM] Ishtara Raven: not so sure the word ghetto is of the times in 1947, it is a heavily over used word today amongst the youth.
[4:55:33 AM] Ishtara Raven: so yeah total BS
[5:05:39 AM] Thubanis: Indeed and I have indicated this here.
[5:05:54 AM] Thubanis: This is a power post took me all day to really debunk Nibiru
[5:06:00 AM] Thubanis: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t5130p105-planet-x-niburu-hoax#80686
[5:06:13 AM] Thubanis: I mean I had to do a lot of astrophysics maths
[5:06:23 AM] Ishtara Raven: yeah i was just looking now
[5:06:30 AM] Thubanis: I am exhausted lol
[5:06:38 AM] Ishtara Raven: yeah this book and videos are such a crock of XXXX
[5:07:22 AM] Thubanis: Well it is a classic because it mixes up a reasonable history and metaphysics about origins with military BS and brainwashings
[5:07:48 AM] Thubanis: See that it conveniently skipped all time references between say 500 BC and 1000 AD
[5:07:50 AM] Ishtara Raven: so you know what that means Tony, according to the alien...there are no saints, just hypnotic traps controlling us. So we are a redundant Moses, Akhenaten program lol
[5:08:00 AM] Ishtara Raven: oh yeah
[5:08:06 AM] Thubanis: Oh yes
[5:08:38 AM] Thubanis: I commented on this thread about the importance of this. It 'explains' the NABS rather good
[5:09:00 AM] Ishtara Raven: whoever wrote this tried to make it sound like it was written in 1947, but they screwed up so much its laughable...to a decerning reader of course.
[5:09:20 AM] Thubanis: If Floyd does not mind we can say more there, but it is perhaps a little off topic
[5:09:42 AM] Thubanis: Of course, but not many can discern this stuff
[5:10:05 AM] Ishtara Raven: no, 'brainwashed' by the incessant lies and Nabs bs
[5:10:20 AM] Ishtara Raven: this stuff is truly satanic
[5:10:24 AM] Ishtara Raven: evil to the core
[5:10:39 AM] Thubanis: You did not see part 2 yet?
[5:10:46 AM] Thubanis: I only watched part 2
[5:10:53 AM] Ishtara Raven: no i just started it, i finished part one
[5:11:05 AM] Ishtara Raven: it has to be similarly stupid
[5:11:10 AM] Thubanis: Watch it nevertheless, then you see this even better
[5:11:22 AM] Ishtara Raven: did you watch part 1?
[5:11:22 AM] Thubanis: Some nice pics lol
[5:11:42 AM] Ishtara Raven: listening to this guys voice is obnoxious as hell too lol
[5:11:48 AM] Thubanis: I was busy doing maths, calculating the Nibiru equations
Ishtara Raven
[5:14:49 AM] Thubanis: [5:12:17 AM]
Ishtara Raven: well i imagine your pretty exhausted[5:13:16 AM] Thubanis: See the maths? A kind of course in applied calculus for you
[5:13:41 AM] Ishtara Raven: no i just was looking at it when i came back into skype because i saw you were typing, but i will look
[5:14:01 AM] Thubanis: Not hard but subject to detail; I made an error in overlooking the integration constant lol
[5:14:16 AM] Thubanis: So I had to edit a bit
[5:16:28 PM-Saturday, September 1st, 2012 -( 10UCT)]
Ishtara Raven: well i watched that whole 2 part video lol, it was horrible
[5:16:38 PM] Thubanis: Yes but rather informative
[5:16:41 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes its ok dear, i understand
[5:16:49 PM] Thubanis: As to how the new agers are deceived
[5:17:31 PM] Thubanis: You saw the inner contradictions that this alien agenda is very human control based
[5:17:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah like carol believing that just because that 'guru' was levitating it makes it real vs a magician like chris isack
[5:18:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes the ptb really have people brain washed
[5:18:25 PM] Thubanis: In a very devious manner as you saw
[5:18:41 PM] Thubanis: Pushing thheir own control agendas in stating the opposite see
[5:19:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: i mean come on, how could anyone take that alien interview serious? its a joke, but i know there are lots of people out there who do, and take it dead serious
[5:19:12 PM] Thubanis: 'If you wanna be free' escape the prison
[5:19:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
[5:19:20 PM] Thubanis: And yet the prison is real from them
[5:19:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: its evil to the core
[5:19:41 PM] Thubanis: Not made by new agers raven
[5:19:56 PM] Thubanis: See how they omitted all things Jesus?
[5:19:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: david icke pushes the same agenda too, calls earth a prison planet
[5:20:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: never mentioned him
[5:20:09 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes, i noticed
[5:20:32 PM] Thubanis: Yes they stopped with Cyrus who was the christ symbol, so you can see that whoever made this knows
[5:20:56 PM] Thubanis: This showed me, that the authors know the bible and the GOT
[5:21:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: you bet they do
[5:21:18 PM] Thubanis: Why your evil label is appropriate
[5:21:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: and enough to twist the history into a highly fabricated tale
[5:21:29 PM] Thubanis: Exactly
[5:22:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah like about 2 years ago this book was being advertised heavily
[5:22:37 PM] Thubanis: Using newspaper articles makes it appear genuine see?
[5:22:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: i saw some ad on FB for it or somewhere and followed it and read like 10 mins of it and lost interest
[5:23:12 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh yeah its very deceptive as are much of the new age crap out there
[5:24:16 PM] Thubanis: My point is, that from a 'source material' such as this many many you tube stories and videos spawn and this then is the NABS infiltration of a partially correct ET-human agenda and purposeful histories
[5:24:31 PM] Ishtara Raven: what struck me to the core was the 'bodiless' agenda and heavily eastern influence the author was trying to convey through the guise of a real ET, the Domain giving mankind the vedas.....come on.
[5:25:23 PM] Thubanis: Indeed and on MOA you can see what a powerful memeplex the eastern mysticism has become as a NABS core
[5:25:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes and this is my point exactly, many people already feel the vedas were ET inspired and why there are so many followers, it totally fits the NABs person who is influenced by them, like Michael for instance
[5:26:18 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh not just MOA
[5:26:26 PM] Ishtara Raven: FB is flooded with it
[5:27:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: i had to turn off a few peoples news feeds because they post every 5 seconds on the XXXX, couldnt see anyone elses posts
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