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The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

Post  Didymos on Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:13 pm

The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg




Little Adam came to his Dad Tony and and his Mum Sharon on his ninth birthday to ask his parents a question, which had been on his mind for some time.



'Hey, Dad, Mum, where exactly did I come from?'


Well my son, answered Tony, you came out of your Mum, her womb, exactly nine years ago.'


'Yes, it was quite an occasion, Adam', added Sharon.





It was just before lunchtime, when you were born on the 4th of August 1989.'


'Hmm!', said Adam; 'and where did you come from?'


'I came out of my mother's tummy on the 21st of October 1960, around breakfast time, as far as I know', replied Sharon. 'Ok, and where did your mother, my grandma come from then?', Adam continued.


'Your grandma was born on the 16th of May, 1922 and I don't know when', answered Sharon and realising the nature of Adam's enquiry, she continued: 'And I also do not know when your greatgrandma, the mother of my mother was born, I didn't really get to know her, before she died, this got lost in history.


But she too, came out of her mother's womb and her mother was born by her mother and so on back to the beginning of time.'


'Ah, but then right then, at the beginning there must have been a mother of all mothers; where did that one come from - it could not have had a mother, isn't that so?', Adam continued his train of thought.


'Now you are asking a deep question about the nature of all things,' replied Tony.


'The answer is found by discovering the nature of yourself; what you truly are and away from what you think or might believe you are; being here in a certain place at a certain time and asking such pertinent questions.'


'Many people have asked and thought about the same thing, Adam', continued Tony.


'One story says, that the first mother's name is Eve or Sarah or Dawn and she did not have a mother but was created out of her husband's tummy, whose name was Adam or Abraham or Sunset.


The story goes, that Eve was formed out of one of Adam's ribs; so to get the rib, the first belly-button had to be created on Adam's tummy, but Eve had no belly button.


To give Eve a belly button, she had to become like a mirror image of Adam and this is a selfreproductive process, where Eve comes out of Adam's tummy as a rib and Adam comes out of Eve's tummy as another kind of rib, you might call it a baby-rib.


One day you will understand this story as a metaphor for a recursive or selfiterative mathematical function or as a process in the genetic expression of the sexual chromosomes; say in the creation of the differences between male and female.


If you have XX or eight digits put together and then you take away one of the digits, then you get XX-1=XY and more specifically XX becomes XX+XY, because the single digit of the rib brings back the XX as a oneness or an unity.


So the X-part of the chromosome partners XX+XY defines the femaleness in Eve and the Y-part of the pairing patterns the maleness in Adam.


Eventually the genetic code of 16 generational permutations derives from that and all of that becomes part of a mathematical encoding of energy in geometrical forms, which then can build bodies and biochemical structures in using that code.


Now the story breaks down Adam; because you see it talks about your namesake Adam as being the first father, also being the first Son of God.


People begin to argue about just who this God is, does it exist or not?


Is it a he or a she and things like: if God created Adam and Eve out of Adam, then who created God?


And who or where are God's parents, and do they have belly buttons or not?


So to answer your question about where you came from, one must also answer this question about what God is; otherwise the story just goes on and on without end.


But once you know what God is; then you will be able to solve many mysterious and paradoxical questions about the nature of time and space and the nature of all things; the universe, your life and the beginnings and the endings and so forth.


Again, the solutions can be made or explained rather technically, what with quantum physics and multidimensional spacetimes in relativity.


It can also be told in the form of a parable; here it goes:





"Once upon a time, there lived this rooster in a place enclosed by walls of pure crystallised mountains. It was a world all within itself. This selfcontained universe of the rooster was all the rooster knew. There was this big problem stirring in the rooster's head however.


Not only was this rooster absolutely alone in its world, it was also totally invisible.


It knew itself to be a rooster, because it had thought and imagined itself to be a rooster.


But try as it might, it could not see, hear, smell, touch or taste itself.


And so this rooster was staring at the crystallised mountain walls with its own imaginary rooster eyes and thought of its own wretched state of existence of no experiences, except of what it could dream up or imagine in its thoughts.


The rooster knew that all of its world was pure imagination; the crystal mountains and all the stillness and movement within it.


Sure, the rooster conjured up other roosters and places and things; but it was all imaginative; it all revolved around itself and its own thoughts.


The rooster's imagination was all and everything it could be, yet it was so limited in its expression of itself as itself.


It was so absolute in its omnipresence and omnipotential, that it only produced loneliness; no other rooster or thing or movement or stillness was able to interact or share anything with the rooster.


The rooster was the absolute and infinite creator of all its own imaginings; but being so totally eternal and so absolutely alone made the rooster very unhappy and very sad.


Well, one could say, the definitions of what unhappy and sad and loneliness are, became an inner experience, created by the rooster's very own thoughts and imaginings.


So the rooster created its inner world and reflected upon it, imagined it to be its outer world also, passed and beyond the crystalline mountain walls.


'What was the other side like, the outside', the rooster thought to itself?


'Is there an opposite to unhappiness, to excruciating loneliness and to sadness?'


The rooster did not know and it was tired to imagine so many beautiful things, which did not create tangible experiences, but seemed only to accentuate the rooster's sense of being all alone in the world.


But a thought dawned on the rooster, perhaps somehow the outer world could become reflected in the inner world.


And so the rooster devised a way to turn the situation inside out.


The one thing the rooster knew very well, was its own energy, its creative potential.


And it knew abstractions, numbers, shapes and concepts it had created in using its discoveries of numbers and the invention of geometries in iterative mathematical functions and relationships.


Like the event, when it finally escaped the circular selfrepeating computational loop of its own primary state of experiental being in simply cutting the circle to define the numeral 1 from the Zero and to allow a linear beginning and a linearised end.


12 dimensions could be enfolded in 3, time and space had come into being and nested complexities of topologies and relative curvatures allowed refinements on quantumised scales of energy and displacement.


Oh it had been fun; the rooster's mind had felt elated, good, euphoric.


Names like that had also become definitions, contrasting the feelings of unhappiness and loneliness - and the rooster knew that it had established a set of feelings and experiences from whom it could now choose.


Did it prefer a feeling of happiness and joy to an experience of loneliness and sadness?


It had often been very painful, this journey of selfdiscovery and the creation of the ever expanding perimeter of its own realm of existence, which was all there was or ever could be.


'But how can one experience those numbers, ratios and shapes as an outer experience and out of one's own mind', the rooster asked itself?


Then an idea came to the rooster; the rooster would have to project itself in giving part of itself away and out of itself - to create the imaginary outside reality and to energise the same, bathing it in the rooster's very own energy of self.


How to do it?


'I shall transform my own energy into other forms', so the rooster decided.


Now how to project?


'I must define myself as source energy, able to penetrate myself, my own self-limitations and my own boundary conditions, however subject to extension and refinements.


Then I must somehow reproduce myself in such a way that the projection of myself is able to know me as itself; my image can then become real as the part of me, which I have projected and energised.


But I shall be careful in that I shall not allow my projected and imaged self to know myself in the totality which I am and which I have experienced.'


'I am so sick of being everywhere at all times and of experiencing that wretched state of being everything, unable to get away from my own self.


I am going not to be omnipotent any more; I'm going to share myself around as me, in parts.


So I choose to lose myself in what I am going to create in such a way, that I can have an adventure and fun in finding myself again within my own creation.


And my inner self shall be as one with my outer self, but my outer self shall have a scope of discovery and a sense of not knowing what my inner self knows.


And so the learning of my outer self shall thrill me and allow my inner self to grow in tandem and in harmony with my outer self.'


'Now the smart thing to do is to create in such a manner, that I get back more than what I give away from my energy, and the way I shall define this, is to set the thing up so that the more of myself I give away, the more I am used up, the more reflection potential my creation shall have.


So when my creation wakes up and when it begins to release my absorbed energy back to me, then will my creation, my Beloved and my baby begin to shine its light upon me and this will make me visible for the first time in the history of myself.'


The rooster got excited; 'I, the rooster shall become visible one day', it thought!


It quickly devised a selfconsistent and logical way to create the outside world and called it the rooster's universe.


The rooster took an algorithm from its mathematical repertoire and produced 10 fundamental numerical constants to mix up the dimensions, forces and energy interactions necessary and then it initiated a process of self-reproducing blueprints, the primary principles and the elementary laws regulating the omniphysical nature of the universe.


That was the easy bit.


The universe became created mathematically and in imaginary complex functions, seeded in quantised numbers called integers and series of numbers, some converging in limits and others diverging in unitary infinities.


But how to bring it outside the crystalline mountain walls, which had proved so impenetrable to the rooster's mindfulness?


A virtual reality relative to the rooster had to become an omniphysical reality relative to the creation and this selfsame creation could then copy the rooster's own creativity and create a virtual reality relative to itself, but the same which would become the rooster's omniphysical reality.


Then the light emitted by the rooster's creation would shine onto the dual reality of the rooster and render it visible as the holographic image of the creation's very own blueprints, defined in the interference patterns of the absorbed light the creation had used from the rooster to define itself.


'Ah, I need a balancing mechanism', the rooster thought; 'I contract in principle as the inside and the antiprinciple expands as the outside.'


And so the rooster defined itself to reside in the 13th dimension and it defined the space outside of the crystal mountain walls to be the 12th dimension mirrored in the space within as the 10th dimension and the crystal mountain walls themselves to be the 11th dimension, forming the great divide between the creator and its creation.


And so the creation became 10-dimensional, but manifested in the quantisation of the 13th dimension as the 4th dimension in the numerical root reduction 1+3=4=9+4.


The next step was to define a 12-dimensional energy source, which could move freely between all of the dimensions and using the linearisation of the 4-dimensional spacetime as a consequence of the fundamental constants of the Genesis.


The rooster decided upon a form of light, defined in frequency independent of time in its primary form, but set as inverse time in its secondary application.


And so a coherent, monochromatic laserlight in 3 dimensions became the selfdefinition for the rooster's 12-dimensional energy in a secondary effect.


The rooster called it its electromagetomonopolic source energy.


'Right,' the rooster thought, 'now I radiate my primary light, which I shall name my LOVEPHOTON as the quantum of 12D-omnispace outwards and away from myself.'


'I shall make everything dependent on its energy, all the mechanics and dynamical interactions of the universe, all its geometries, movements, stillness and relationships and its number shall be three thousand million billion trillion precisely.'


'This unit of time shall also define the units of space and of restmass in correspondence to something I shall measure as part of myself inside the creation as a 13-dimensional source energy and outside the creation as myself as the invisible 12-dimensional rooster in omnispace.'


Then I shall define the 11th dimension as a mirror, half visible and half invisible, semitransparent in reflecting the inside outwards and the outside inwards.


Then whenever I shine my LOVELIGHT onto that mirror, then half of my LOVEPHOTONS shall penetrate into the outside world of myself and the other half shall reflect back into my inside world to make a record of my creation in the interference patterns created by the mirror of my 12-dimensional blueprints reflected in 10D-spacetime.'


'Now I shall shine my LOVEPHOTONS onto this record, which I shall name the rooster's hologram.


My ingenious invention of putting myself outside of myself, rests on the fact that my imaginary self is located outside of myself in the outer space, and from whom my own LOVELIGHT can reflect as my image within my own creation.


My imaginary rooster self so becomes my imaginary source energy within my creation and I myself will become my own hologram relative to my imaginary rooster self.


This reflection from my imaginary rooster self outside my world, shall so come back to me to merge with my internal reflection of my own LOVELIGHT on the hologram, the record of my endeavours.'


'Having a combined record of my outgoing and incoming source energy in the form of my hologram, will then allow me to shine my LOVELIGHT onto my holographic library for a second time.


The first coming of my LOVEPHOTONS gave me the means to make myself real in the image of my second coming in the illumination of my records, the initialisation of myself in two places at the same time.'


'I shall call this process the rooster's holography in 12 dimensions, defined in the omniscience of my specifications and which I then allowed myself to rediscover in the form of a science in 4D-linespace, reckoned in a dating of 1947.


Amongst many of my children, one of my sons, named Dennis Gabor invented the process of holography on my behalf and brought it to the world's attention.


All my children are me as my adventurers, trying to help me to find myself again as the now not so lonely totality which I am.


But no longer, my second coming allows me to redefine my virtual creation as a real creation; so no more 'Maya', no more illusion - all shall be real to me.


Well all is real relative to the creators and all the creators are my sons as bridegrooms, waiting to meet their brides in their own creations.


It must be so, since all my creator sondaughters and creator daughtersons have done exactly the same thing, which I have done.'


'All the creator sons have hatched from the same egg, which I the rooster have laid.


You see, the image of myself in outer space also becomes the birth of the 10-dimensional universe as my own hologram, enveloped and reflected in the 11th dimension of my semitransparent mirror of my crystalline mountain walls.


So the Big Bang 19.11 billion years ago, but appearing to have happened 14.7 billion years ago because of the electromagnetic doubling of my SOURCELIGHT for the last 2.2 billion years, was caused by me.'


'When I first kicked off and began to radiate my LOVELIGHT and after having defined the technical details in mathematical application of the physical and natural laws; then this ejaculation of my LOVESEED fertilised the universe as my very own Mother.


And then 'the big She' manifests my laws and definitions in giving birth to them.


Yeah, and so did I become a 'He' and the Father for all of the creation; and I created the universe for a very simple reason, namely for IT, being a SHE to give birth to me as a HE and as each other's Beloveds, FatherMothers and SonDaughters - all in One.'


'And both of us are born with bellybuttons in this way, being each others parent and giving birth to one another.


And I set up my very own dimensional expansion in creating my own Mother; for my Mother is my Beloved wife, my gorgeous darling and my eternal bride.


She grows, expands and evolves in unison with me.


She grows in Understanding out of her inborn Wisdom and I grow in Wisdom out of my inborn Understanding - those two things are necessary and go together in any harmonious application of a base of Knowledge.'


'And my Mother hasn't got a Mother of course; but she's got me as her Father.


She was created out of my own seed, because I am my own Father, the one and only true Bastard; just as my Beloved is the one and only true Bitch.


When we are together as One; male and female in One; cosmic seed and cosmic ovum in One; then the FatherMother is the MotherFather and the Father is not and also the Mother cannot be just by herself.'


'So before IT came apart to cause the Big Bang; the Fatherpart had thought of IT and only then did the Motherpart give birth to IT, namely ALL of IT; the Oneness out from the Nothingness of the Fatherpart and the Infinity out from the Everythingness of the Motherpart.


We find eggs everywhere; cosmic eggs, chiral eggs, cellular eggs, Easter eggs - and so whenever a sperm infiltrates an ovum; then the Big Bang happens over and over again.


And what is the result of all those unions?


A bellybuttoned Adam or a bellybuttoned Eve in terms of the starhumanity!


Adam is me as my Beloved firstborn sondaughter and Eve is me as my Beloved firstborn daughterson; and every child constructed from one of my seeds and from one of my eggs is necessarily the firstborn of my infinity of potential starhuman universes.'


'The universe is your body as the visible reality of me and as created body, made from the elements of the fundamental forces and the dust of the ground.


Your body is half of you, the female part of you; the male part of you is your other half in your roosterness and the world of your own mind.


Your male part is trying to understand what the heck is going on in your life and just as I did in my own isolation of my roosterhood as the Egg of the Philosophy.


Your female part is attempting to live your life as good as you can in the circumstances you find yourself in.


Your maleness is mindcentred and your femaleness is bodycentred and as it should be.


So your male thinking and your female doing will be my adventure; coming back together as one in two and two in one and in one big starhuman family.


And the experiencing are the thoughts in action in the doing of the mindful creativity.'


'Then when a firstborn sondaughter creates hisher very own firstborn selfmade universe, then heshe courts and marries a firstborn daughterson as hisher creation and the bride gives birth to the oneness and this oneness makes one out of two in joining it back together in the world where I am visible and where I can experience myself by seeing and by hearing myself as each other through our eyes and through your ears.


Where I can play and feel by your touch and where I can taste myself by your tastebuds and where I can smell the roses through your very own noses.'


'All in One and One in All implies the selfrelativity of everyone of your starhuman dragonomies; you are each one brick in each others houses or a single braincell or neuron in each other's head.


Only in unifying yourself in the starhuman couplings can you escape each others dominations - for how long will you remain satisfied to recycle your experiential database of your memories, subject to your neighbour's dying body?'


'Once united in the form of DadMums and as MumDads, you will actually become grown up in an androgynous merger with me and my Beloved as the four in two in One.


I am like the Zero and my Beloved is the Infinity; the bridegroom is the Minus One and the bride is the Plus One; together you will then have graduated as an immortal God and an immortal Goddess.


And did not One after my own true image proclaim to you:


John.10.34-35: 'Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I SAID, YE ARE GODS?

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scipture cannot be broken';...


1Corinthians.5.3: 'Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?'


But it will take two to tango the ultimate waltz; you cannot do it on your own.


And two 'wrecked' fleeting lives of nothingness do make eternity in 0+0=8=Infinity!


I had to give half of myself away to find my own Beloved in my missing half and you will have to do the same if you would wish to unify your bodies with your minds and to become enabled to keep the bodies and the minds you now believe to possess.'


' The universe cannot die as my Beloved, because I choose eternity as my playground.


Parts within the universe recycle and transform in energy to give you bodies made from stardust and starborn minds induced by your dreams and visions.


One evolutionary cycle ends and another begins; I do set the recharging under the auspices of my natural laws of omniscience and my Beloved implements them in mass and in radiation.


And do not all parts of your bodies recycle periodically?


Is not every cell in your body renewed in cycles of seven or nine or parts thereof?


So you should begin to think for yourselves and try to remember yourselves as every word you speak comes out of my mouth and every thought you think I have already thought, anticipating yours.'


'For when the Big Bang happened and when space and time were created; all the LOGOS was there; all of your WORDS and THOUGHTS were there.


They are in all of my children - waiting to remember; waiting to come home!"





And so did the rooster lay its egg to bring back together again, what it had to give away to experience what IT is, to be truly ALIVE.


So my dear son,' asked Tony; 'where did you come from Adam and why are you here?'


'Oh I know now, I've come from a place and time before time and space existed and I'm here to make my own universe, to become creative, to find my Beloved and to help Grandpa God's adventure.


And I can do all this in laying my own imaginary egg', replied Adam."





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Re: The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

Post  Guest on Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:53 pm

So if i put things a little bit different:

Once there was energy enclosed in a metaphysical "box universe". The energy imagined and the imagination defined it. It was Oneness. But as much as the Oneness imagined it could not taste, feel, hear, smell,...itself. All Oneness had was imagination.

Oneness knew that all that is and can be is its imagination. So in this sense, the expression was limited to the imagination of Oneness. It could create with its own imagination yet it could not interact with it. The omnipresence and omnipotence lead to experience emotions including a lot of sadness and loneliness - the experience and creation of this was created within the Oneness as a result (feedback) of its own imagination.

So Oneness wondered is there is more outside its box and what could it be if the outside was reflected on the inside. Oneness had no difficulties with this. It imagined mathematics, geometry, physics...it imagined all the fine mechanics of how "stuff works"....and turned things "inside out".

Oneness wanted the experience of finding itself again as its own creation.

Oneness thought and created given the imagination it had.

Oneness remade the existence in the shape of 13 dimensions . The Oneness in 13th, the outside space of the box as 12th, the box walls as 11th defined as mirror and the space inside of the box as 10th. The 12th is mirrored in 10th and the other way around. The creation is 10 dimensional. Than the Oneness made an energy source that could traverse the 12th dimensions. It called it the source light and everything (holograms) shall depend on this source light energy - the Oneness on the outside of 13th.

So when Oneness sends itself through the mirror of 11th dimension it is reflected in both 10th and 12th.
The first time it was done it was the first coming. Now the experience is being gathered for the time of the second coming.

Oneness gave its own imagination the ability to imagine by itself. It went beyond itself and gave away the part of self. It projected itself on the outside and gave itself the ability to recognize itself. The image Oneness projected became the part of Oneness. Yet while wanting for the image to know for itself what it is, Oneness did not want that image to know all there is and all that Oneness experienced since Oneness was tired of being omnipotent and omnipresent not being able to escape from itself.

He wanted the image to learn and find out by itself. Than this knowing from the image is to be reflected back to Oneness. The more the Oneness gives away from itself the more gets reflected back.

The plan is for the image to become aware of what it is and give back the energy to Oneness and for this to give Oneness a form....so as the outside is reflected on the inside. The imagined world of Oneness is physical world of the image. The imagination (creativity) of the image is the physicality in the world of Oneness.

The second coming is to allow the imagined world of Oneness to become reality.

The first image Oneness created was the Mother and by being reflected back to him that became his mother and his wife. But the Mother has not got the mother. Mother only has the Father - Oneness. And Oneness is its own father. So Oneness is FatherMother/MotherFather....HeShe/SheHe...

Both man and women have a mother and father in the mirror image of the Oneness.

The Father as seed and Mother as egg and each time both unite there is a BigBang.

Male is half. Female is other half. Male is mind. Female is body...since the mind created the body. Oneness is in two parts. One is mind (male) the other is body (female) and wishes to come back together and make the virtual reality (imagined world) real.

Since Oneness did not want for the images to know all there is to know...images are ignorant.

Now every man and woman is to reflect back the unity...for male to find his body and female to find her mind.

Everything any person does has been done before. Any though any person has, has been thought before. For omnipresence existed all one has to do is remember by coming together.



In short:

There was a rooster. It got bored. Life sucked...big time. Rooster got down to business. It created a set of rules for a game to played. You are a pawn in that game. Yet you can influence the rooster...everything you do happens in his house too...so it might be time to show one does not fuck with the Chuck or the Chuck will fuck with you!






THE FATHER CREATOR







A "confused" reader might ask following questions:


What or who created the "thing" (energy) that imagined itself as a rooster being in enclosed space.

Why could not the rooster interact with its own imagination? It is omnipotent. It does not make sense to state rooster is omnipotent yet it can not interact with its imagination.

If all that is and was (in the enclosed space of the thing imagining itself a a rooster) an imagination...why complicate things and imagine sadness and loneliness if...given the omnipotence....anything and everything could be done, imagined, created to avoid this?

Rooster wondered about the outer world....if rooster was enclosed in the inner world and wondered about the outer one...does this mean that the rooster had no knowledge of the outer one...yet the outer world was there? Or does that mean that rooster simply made up....imagined the outer world...yet how can he than wonder about it and what is it like if he had imagined it? If he had not imagined it or created it...who or what did?

What made the rooster go and do circular self repeating computational lop? What put it in the loop? Who or what thought up of doing it and why?

Rooster being omnipotent...why complicate things and why not just use omnipotence to make itself visible?


How can a rooster be his own father...out of what did this happen?

We have the case of incest above...or is this word not appropriate since rooster was already there before conjuring up the concept of a mother...while still alone and that?






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Re: The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

Post  Didymos on Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:49 pm

You are missing the basis of the parable rok.

The rooster is you in a configuration of no space and no time and no experience because the aforesaid parameters are not existent.

So the only way you can discern the logic of the story is to move out of time and space and experiences into a concept of nonbeing and being; or say the Void=Everything without the concept of Unity but allowing this 'idea' to come into being in emergence by dividing or splitting the Nullstate from the Infinite in and AS the Oneness.

This can be labeled as the FORETHOUGHT of the Oneness being the AFTERTHOUGHT of the Manyness.

The Afterthought becomes possibility because space and time and experience are evolving in the creation event which so 'defines' the Inside of the Before as bering different from the Outside of the After.
Logical discourse like this will allow you to discover the deeper meanings of the story.
Looking at it from a human perspective of the Present Moment, defined in an experiental Past and a projectable Future will not.

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Re: The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

Post  Guest on Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:30 pm

i think i know the basic of the story and what it is saying...i re wrote it in a way....


yet how is one to UNDERSTAND (not believe, imagine....) but know and understand what is to be outside of space and time....and yet still i wonder.........you used the rooster to explain god.....

how to explain the rooster? just simply "imagining" it....yet...something had to be there....something imagining itself to be a rooster...where did that something came from....and what can give the understanding for it?

there was a dot it saw itself as a dot because it imagined to be a dot....(dot or anything else) and as dot saw itself it imagined to grow...so a small dot became a bigger dot...yet still it was a dot....than one time...a dot decided to make a difference...it decided to expand on one more axis...it became a cylinder....and the cylinder experimented more and it became a SPHERE...and it saw itself as a sphere...and it made everything to be as it...as sphere...etc...so....where did the dot came from....there was something BEFORE there was the "before thought"....there was something that made the 1st ever imagination....of itself...and everything else later....

all logic "fails" once one is to go where no "man" has gone before....first one would have to truly know what time is...what space is...than one would need a vast amount of thought capacity....we are talking "genius potential".... to remove the two (space and time) and given that there would be an actual knowing about this terms....one could than attempt to put such an existence together in the mind...to see it for the "first time" or to simply "remember it again"

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Re: The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

Post  Didymos on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:31 am

No Rok, again you are missing the basic premises.

BECAUSE space and time exist NOW; the nonexistence of the same CAN become logically inferred as logistical necessity.

No 3D meandering, philosophising and ponderances can 'make sense' of this from 'the spacetime does exist' premise.

Because you cannot 'imagine' the 'NOT TO BE" in your present situation of 'TO BE- I AM'; you cannot IMAGE the appropriate cosmology.

You will remain 'stuck' in your material physical spacetime perceptions until you can transcend your own thoughts and REALISE thast You are this Rooster.

You exist in spacetime, therefore the Rosster does exist not in spacetime.
It reduces to Remembering the Nonmemorized in another approach of the semantics.

Cogitus Spregovori Ergo Deus Sum !

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Re: The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

Post  Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:31 am

Everything that is has its direct opposite?

I am the rooster or i am the image of it, a part of it, not the whole...i am part of its imagination and for me it is real and what i imagine it is real for the rooster...as far as i understand....

Yes i can not imagine "nothing". Even if...let us say i can...it is my own subjective abstract interpretation and in no way guaranteed to be exactly the same or even similar to the one of yours or anyone elses....and as such - can it be called "proper"?

Billions of roosters...each with its own imagination and interpretation...a perception of something...where does that take us?

Contraria contrariis curantur?

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Re: The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

Post  Didymos on Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:35 am

Rok wrote:Everything that is has its direct opposite?

I am the rooster or i am the image of it, a part of it, not the whole...i am part of its imagination and for me it is real and what i imagine it is real for the rooster...as far as i understand....

Yes i can not imagine "nothing". Even if...let us say i can...it is my own subjective abstract interpretation and in no way guaranteed to be exactly the same or even similar to the one of yours or anyone elses....and as such - can it be called "proper"?

Billions of roosters...each with its own imagination and interpretation...a perception of something...where does that take us?

Contraria contrariis curantur?


Here is your problem rok.

Because you cannot 'get away from yourself' as a unique individual; you fail to comprehend the deeper cosmogony, the origin of whatever you perceive as being part of YOUR world.

It becomes your opinion see; ..."..your own subjective abstract interpretation..." and guess what; 'opinions' are the cause for the mess this planetary civilisation finds itself in in the 'divide and conquer' motto of the 'insiders of the deeper understandings'.

You, like many look for 'Truth' and rendering anyone's 'truth' as a 'Truth of Individuated Opinion' enhances and supports the motto of the Individuation as the Supreme Being of the opinionated self, not requiring encompassment by a 'deeper more impersonal truth'.

But just as the Law of Gravity represents a 'truth' of physical law; so does the originator of those 'Laws of Truth' represents an Unopinionated truth as 'The Truth'.

It is superfluous and irrelevant if you or anyone denies the existence of this truth, rendering it as one opinion amongst the many opinions and viewpoints.

But the Truth of the Logos exists and this Truth KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS the things of creation.

This does not mean the Logos is not learning, it coevolves as the Creator-Creation dyadic monad.

But it is founded on Truth and not opinion and where then this Truth is manifested in the selfsame creation as the required evidence for ITSELF, experiencing the creation as the creator dyadic monad.

Then and only then do the opinions appear.

They appear in the manyness of the PARTIAL TRUTHS searching and remembering as the data collectors of the Logos.

So the Perfection of the Creation is rendered Imperfect for the purpose to recreate the perfect seed in a growing branch, carrying the original seeds to reproduce the genetic BASEPERFECTION in new forms of selfexpressions.

The Mustard Seed is planted to become a Tree for the Birds to nest in as a metaphor for this evolvement.


John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Your dilemma is shared by the many partial truth carriers Rok; but the basic concept is very very simple. Simply perceive what you are if you are not; but you have great difficulties doing this.

Shakespeare's Hamlet poses the ultimate logistical question; ole Billy being well aware of the human conundrum and the spacetime paradox you are struggling with: "To Be or Not to Be - That is the Question!"

Out of space and time in the NOT BEING; you Rok are the billion roosters in the Unity itself a duality of the Nothingness and the Eternity.

This Nothingness does NOT require space and time to express itself; neither does the Eternity.

So can you 'see' now that you are the countless Roosters in such a state of beingness?

If you can - well done.

If you can not; then it will not matter how elaborate my metaphors and allegories - you will simply not understand the deeper gnosis of the knowledge of the 'after the fact' as being the wisdom of the 'understanding' of the 'before the fact' as the Logos of Creation aka the Intelligence of the Collective of the One Rok out of time becoming a multitude of Roks within this selfsame time.

So of course then one is necessitated to 'define' what time is and space and mass etcetera etcetera and it becomes wordplay and semantics; albeit in requirement of a selfconsistent logic, able to solve the very same apparent logical paradoxes, the processing of the thoughts as energyforms it might encounter.

But this then requires familiarity with the language codes of science and logistics and I composed the Rooster Story for the readers NOT familiar with the formal linguistics and symbols.

Unfortunately, to avoid the 'wordplay' opf the yada yada arguments, the rigid logic of mathematical deduction and induction are required and the reader who then is unfamiliar with both; the rigidity of the logical arguments and the gnostic wisdom of the insights finds himherself as caught between two hard rocks like the Rok betwixt the Rocks.

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Post  Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:55 am

How do you know...by yourself... when the truth you know is not the partial truth or individuated opinion but THE TRUTH?

Does it just happen?
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Post  Didymos on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:26 am

Rok wrote:How do you know...by yourself... when the truth you know is not the partial truth or individuated opinion but THE TRUTH?

Does it just happen?

The above has little, almost nothing to do with me or anyone else in human incarnation as an opinionated partial truth data collector.

WORDS=SWORD, not the instuments used by whoever the messengers coveying the whatever the messages.
This is what is termed Individual Gnosis - for individuated discernment.
No beliefs are required, except faith in your own gnosis as an enabled coupling to the 'Truth'.
Many are deceived and selfdeluded and this is to be expected in the 'weighing' of the opinions.
In physical terms it will relate to Resonance with the Remembrances for the Motto of Ripley: "Believe it or not - It is indeed every data collector for himherself".
Offer your Story to Yourself and carry your expectations and dreams - or not!
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Post  Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:47 am

Didymos wrote:

The above has little, almost nothing to do with me or anyone else in human incarnation as an opinionated partial truth data collector.

WORDS=SWORD, not the instuments used by whoever the messengers coveying the whatever the messages.
This is what is termed Individual Gnosis - for individuated discernment.
No beliefs are required, except faith in your own gnosis as an enabled coupling to the 'Truth'.
Many are deceived and selfdeluded and this is to be expected in the 'weighing' of the opinions.
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You said one is to follow its own gnosis yet u also say many are deceived by the self delusions.... and this is exactly why i asked....how does one know by itself that the truth is THE TRUTH and not a self delusions...yet u said that incarnates (people) are partial truth collectors....so if they are collecting partial truth...(see a circle) how will they know they collected enough partial truth and that they know THE TRUTH?

People do not posses the understanding of time and space definitions and can not "play" around with them...

I also do not and can not help myself with it.



And their gnosis...it is "relative to them"....


I can for example say: oh yes i see it now, i can understand it inside of me, i feel it inside of me,i see it in my "mind",...etc

Yet...do i? How do i know? How do you know i do?

One can say to me...he or she just knows on some level...but can not explain....that it is a "feeling"....yet how do i know that actually is or how do they know?

I don't. They don't.

I can "have" something...and that is for me to have...and only i know it...only i can see it the way i see it...it is unique to me.

How many "unique variations" are there?

Is it THE TRUTH?

I do not know...neither can any other...all they or i can do is believe my/their own partial truths...the one sided perceptions...the dreams....hoping all together is THE TRUTH...and this brings us right back to the original "problem"...

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Re: The Fable of Little Adam and the Rooster's Egg

Post  Didymos on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:55 pm

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Didymos wrote:


You said one is to follow its own gnosis yet u also say many are deceived by the self delusions.... and this is exactly why i asked....how does one know by itself that the truth is THE TRUTH and not a self delusions...yet u said that incarnates (people) are partial truth collectors....so if they are collecting partial truth...(see a circle) how will they know they collected enough partial truth and that they know THE TRUTH?

People do not posses the understanding of time and space definitions and can not "play" around with them...

I also do not and can not help myself with it.



And their gnosis...it is "relative to them"....


I can for example say: oh yes i see it now, i can understand it inside of me, i feel it inside of me,i see it in my "mind",...etc

Yet...do i? How do i know? How do you know i do?

One can say to me...he or she just knows on some level...but can not explain....that it is a "feeling"....yet how do i know that actually is or how do they know?

I don't. They don't.

I can "have" something...and that is for me to have...and only i know it...only i can see it the way i see it...it is unique to me.

How many "unique variations" are there?

Is it THE TRUTH?

I do not know...neither can any other...all they or i can do is believe my/their own partial truths...the one sided perceptions...the dreams....hoping all together is THE TRUTH...and this brings us right back to the original "problem"...


Well the thing is an individual journey indeed and as I said the only 'judge' of what this journey might or could be, apart from the isness of it, can only be you in your Knowledge and in your understanding.

Those two labels are not the same thing, as Understanding requires logical Knowledge in harmony with a 'feeling' or intuitive Knowledghe.

The 'judging' of yourself so relates to this balancing act between your 'gained wisdom'; the Understanding from the 'heart', which does not require Intellectual Mindedness and the Undwerstanding from the Mind, which does.

The fiduciary for the journey, called your life; then remains a one-to-One coupling between your 'Little You as one' fnding itself in an apparent separatedness to experience the 'Not being kind of complete in a oneness'
and the 'Big You as the One' describable as being spacetime independent, say as a prior primordial form of some ancient undefined energy construct later labeled as Consciousness.

Now to UNDERSTAND what this vague naming of an 'ancient energy' might be; one must engage the harmonized mind in both the logic and the intuition.

You continue to argue from the individual 'Little one' perspective and attempt to superimpose or 'force' the Logic onto the already existent harmonisation.

This is what is embodied in your statements about truth versus partial truth and the illusions and the delusions of perceived phenomena of the experienced worlds.

This duality perception is natural, because of an apparently inherent paradox of the Logical Understanding and the Intuitive Wisdom in some labelings.

From this evolves the schism between a methodical scientific approach to classification and understanding of the natural world and the 'worlds of religion and spirituality, based on some sort of belief and jeopardised by dogmatic interpretations.

But the schism disappears, should the 'Wisdom of the Heart' become harmonised with the 'Understanding of the Logical Mind'.

Because then the 'Feeling Mind' complements the 'Thinking Heart' and the old war between the 'Thinking Mind' and the 'Feeling heart' becomes no longer appropriate to understand the world in the feminine Wisdom of the Sophia as well as the male Knowledge of the Gnosis to use some common terminology.

You cannot know the one-to-One coupling of anyone else but yourself; but this does not interfere with the Truth of the Beingness; as the latter is defined in the RESONANCE, the harmonisation of the one=incarnated bodyform and the One=encompassing waveform or a similar labeling.

See Rok there is a great licence of selfexpression and creativity in the Truth.

If I say, that December 21st, 2012 will see the birth of a New World in the memeplexed world of the higher dimensions; then this statement becomes indeed relative to the individuated cosmology constructed.

As all such constructions are however also linked to the ONE in any particular one-to-One partnership, this construction, of whatever it is, the building of a shed or the painting of a picture or the taking of a photograph or the recreation of the universe; it is all of equal value to the ONE in the REHARMONISATION of the original monad where the one=One and no spacetime separation exists.

So the December 21st, 2012 Gaian rebirth will occur. It already has occurred in the 'higher dimensions' of the metaphysics.

Delusions and fantasies would enter the construction; should proclaim precise predictions and occurrences; like the yellowstone Volcano will erupt on March 16th, 2011 at 13.00 hours GMT.

Or the Thuban Fleet will appear on December 22nd, 2012 in the skies above New York.

I have never made any such claims and never will. I do claim however that the higher dimensional Gaia will ascend in her descension on the nexus date and I have qualified and quantifioedd the reason for those statements many times in many places.

Because this 'event' carries a great potential to change the ordinary lower dimensional material manifestations - the 'ordinary 3D life' - in paradigm changing effects; I am rather confident that indeed the great changes will occur FOLLOWING the metamorphosis on the 'higher planes' of the say 'spiritual realms'.

The 2012-'event' is already happening and only the metaphorical ostriches expect the 'business as usual' scenarios to continue into the Fututre, which has already begun in the often stated 'warpzone'.

You seem to be losing the plot a little here; you invoke the dreams and fantasies and whatever to discover the truth, your truth, anyone's truth.

Truth is a word a label for the FACT of Life and the Beingness.

But you are on the right path, should you blend your logic with your intuitions.

I perceive you dont trust your own 'feelings' because you dont trust your own mind.

You then project your 'insecurities' on all and sundry 'worldviews', pilosophies and comologies 'out there'.

This is ok, if you can then discern between and amongst the philosophies and the cosmologies.

To be an armchair critic and a skeptic for skepticisms sake is a rapid way into the worlds of the selfdelusions, much more so then the logical dissection of whatever material or 'truth' you might encounter under the auspices of your 'Thinking Intuition' and your 'Feeling Intellect'.

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Post  SuiGeneris on Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:40 pm

Didymos wrote:
See Rok there is a great licence of selfexpression and creativity in the Truth.

Tonyblue
I concur with this statement...

I always felt it true, at least true enough to give myself room to maneuver between what i think i should do and what i feel i should do.

It felt natural to me to give myself all the license i needed to think outside the box and to explore absolutely everything i wanted at least in mind... to see how that made me feel...the more i did this, the more attuned i became of my own inner world and began to see how much connected it was to the "outer" world.

In this state, creativity flows, and i saw that i could think, feel and be anything i wanted... and this realization brings great joy and frees the Spirit.

Coming to think of it... never once have i doubted myself thinking if i was self delusional or the like...If i were to do that, i would have to be thinking exclusively with my logical mind excluding the heart completely... and that just feels unnatural to me... it literally "hurts" when i try...



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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:23 am

Didymos wrote:

You seem to be losing the plot a little here; you invoke the dreams and fantasies and whatever to discover the truth, your truth, anyone's truth.

Truth is a word a label for the FACT of Life and the Beingness.

But you are on the right path, should you blend your logic with your intuitions.

I perceive you dont trust your own 'feelings' because you dont trust your own mind.

You then project your 'insecurities' on all and sundry 'worldviews', pilosophies and comologies 'out there'.

This is ok, if you can then discern between and amongst the philosophies and the cosmologies.

To be an armchair critic and a skeptic for skepticisms sake is a rapid way into the worlds of the selfdelusions, much more so then the logical dissection of whatever material or 'truth' you might encounter under the auspices of your 'Thinking Intuition' and your 'Feeling Intellect'.

Tonyblue



I ask what i do not know or am not sure about. I wish to see it from "this" and "that" way. Not to intentionally oppose it or to rebel just to be called a rebel...

I consider everything, nothing is dismissed...than i make my own mind about it. I do all of it for a reason....it is "calculated".

I will not go into my feelings here or my mind...since i can offer you "only" 1 perspective of it...the non intuitive one... the other one...is there..here...but not to be put on a forum...or into words even...


If i have any self delusions, they are (by "definition") mine to keep and to know about...if...

and the rest...


Whatever i do, i make my future...yet i am not the only one making it. I have a choice but things to choose from are given to me and are non negotiable. I wonder how many, if any, will choose the same.

The logic and the heart (what u called intuitive wisdom)....i am yet to see the two in harmony....when the "objective" will be in harmony with the "subjective". To "balance" the two, not to suppress, neglect, dismiss or refuse one in favor of another - And not to confuse the "balance" with it!!

Also being "full of it" (like love and lighters) is also not the thing...and "living in the heart" and the rest of the crap people vomit to sell themselves...so much...that once one might do it for real and show it for real and not be recognized....perhaps just felt...yet...i have never felt that from anyone.

And about the feminine wisdom...i am yet to see that too.

Should one do as it feels or as it thinks...or take the middle way...but how "wonderful" it is...when so many times...they are contrary to each other...

Thank you Tony for this short exchange, i think this will do for now.


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