WOW ! i appreciate BOTH your answers ... so DIFFERENT ... each so INTRIGUING ! Rok, i ESPECIALLY appreciated your closing questions ... cause i actually HAVE "imagined" both scenarios to some degree. in fact, when i ORIGINIALLY watched a series of GK videos ... he gave me a "clue" that seemed a very satisfying answer to your FIRST question ... i'll DO what i "discern" is the appropriate thing at that moment. that is pretty much how i TRY to live my life now ... so that really "rings true" with me. of course, i realize in George's view (at this time) that to go on the spaceship would be the "wrong" choice ... but even HE conceded that each "soul" will naturally gravitate to the place it needs to be. and i guess i do believe that. just like when we die ... our Larger Self knows what we need to do "next" ... and we naturally are "drawn to" the "place" or state-of-being that's RIGHT for us at that particular "transition." so i don't really worry about that FIRST scenario much ... though i admit i HAVE warned my kids to "think twice" if they are ever in such a situation! i told them what George said about it, and i told them what EYE think about it. (of course, my kids are 36 and 31 ... so they might have not thought anymore about it beyond "oh that's just mom being crazy again." LOL) and i DO remember at the time feeling an "adrenaline rush" of fear ... when George was elaborating on this Scary scenario ... of Beautiful Angelic beings tricking us into going with them so we can be their slaves! but -- since "fear" has become somewhat of a "red flag" in my discernment process -- this reaction made me listen CAREFULLY to what he was actually saying ... and to spend time processing it afterwards.

as far as your SECOND question goes ... this might be "Heresy" i'm not sure ... but i don't really envision anything DIFFERENT necessarily from the scenario you're painting ... where "everything's the same/nothing's changed" after some certain date. i guess that's MAINLY cause of what Jesus is quoted as having said ... (NO JOKE ... i AM gonna quote him...LOL) ... about the time of "the End" ... he said then that "Only the Father knows." so ... as MUCH as i respect the Mayan calendar and all the scholarship that is behind the popular interpretations of its timeline ... and i ESPECIALLY respect the gnosis behind Tony's Scriptural decodings and the OmniScience associated with this "apocolyptic" timeline ... and Susan's gnosis in researching/deciphering/interpreting the timeline from her numerological-astrological perspective ... and i DO believe we are in the "end times" ... and that Transformation -- personal AND planetary is a very REAL "event" -- i DON'T place my "ultimate" faith in any details like dates or places or precise predictions. by the time i "leave this world" ... in WHATEVER manner (death, spaceship, merkabah) ... i'll be Transformed into My Wholer Self ... one way or another. of this i'm sure. and the Goodness of God/All-That-Is/Source is the "Firm Foundation" of the peace i have that WHATEVER Happens or Doesn't Happen ... "All Will Be Well ... All Manner of Things Will Be Well!" (julian of norwich)

and Sui -- don't have much time to address your very THOUGHTFUL and detailed answer now ... cause i had to BEG to get the time i just spent talking to Rok ... but i plan to come back and re-read BOTH of your posts tomorrow ... when it's MY turn on the computer again! but for now, i'd just like to say THANKS a BUNCH, sweetie ... i'm glad you went into some detail here ... and i have some questions to ask you about a few things, i think. but ... i must say "au revoir" for now ... nighty night (it's night in Tennessee anyway!) ... and i LOOK FORWARD to seeing you guys SOON !

much love,
Nanna bobbi

Rok wrote:"They" is you and me and anyone else...in my view.

in hatred and sorrow uupppsss..i mean love and light
Rok

SuiGeneris wrote:It is interesting for me to see what information is going around anyway.
I think that in order to learn I have to be exposed to as much as possible.

With Love always,

That 'pretty-much' sums it 'up' for me.


This ain't the garden of eden
This ain't the summer of love
Hello, hello turn your radio on...
I am you and you are me

-4Rivers

Hey ya'll --

I can agree with you, Rok & 4Rivers, that the "they" are US ... in the sense that we are all "mirrors" of one another ... and connected by being different "facets" of All-That-Is ... but "they" is NOT us (or me) in the sense that they are interested in promoting FEAR ... is that not ALSO true??? so, i guess the KERNEL of my question about "their" identity boils down to ... Who Will Benefit if Fear Reigns??? Xeia thinks it's the PTB ... and i guess that makes MORE sense than any OTHER answer i can come up with. but for SOME reason, it leaves me "unsatisfied" still ... guess i thought "they" might be SMARTER than to think that -- once ETs actually Show themselves Openly -- the PEOPLE ourselves won't be able to "figure it out" ... meaning "figure out" whether to trust them (ETs) or not. i suppose they're still DELUDING themselves that we'll go along meekly like sheep and obey whatever they say ... b/c otherwise the "big bad boogy ETs" will "Get Us" ! but that just makes me wanna say ... Oh Cummon Now ... are you KIDDIN me ?!?! LOL

Rok ... i "believe" in demons ... and i ALSO think they're "illusary" ... depends on the context, i guess. if i DID "meet one" as you put it, i'd do my BEST to speak/act from the Center of my consciousness ... the part of me that's most "directly" in-touch-with the Logos/Holy Spirit ... and in that way "protect myself" from this illusion of evil (Christians would call this "invoking Christ's name to ward-off the devil). i guess ANOTHER way of putting this might be ... though we experience Evil as "Real" in 3d ... i believe our "Higher/Over Selves" DON'T ... since they are not TRAPPED in Duality. so, though we have to Deal with it in this world and our every-day lives ... from a BIGGER perspective, we're just looking in mirrors and talking to ourselves, i guess!

4Rivers --

This aint the Garden of Eden ... YET
This aint the Summer of Love ... It's only Spring Now
Hello, hello turn your radio on ... Beaming and Receiving
I am you and you are me ... Halleluia !!!

Much love to you, my Darlings!

Nanna

"That, [ i guess! ] part might be all those nasty demons need to break down someones defenses."

TRUE dat, 4Rivers ... True dat!

and thanks SO much for the LOVE POEM ... it's BEAUTIFUL !

This aint the Garden of Eden ... YET ...Let's do it!
This aint the Summer of Love ... It's only Spring Now ...A spring-board into Eden!
Hello, hello turn your radio on ... Beaming and Receiving ...Full spectrum this time!
I am you and you are me ... Halleluia !!! ...With Love!


nanna bobbi

Pleadian Contactee Colleen Thomas warns of hostile Alien Invasion planned for Oct 2010 part 1 of 3




Source: http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Pleadian_Contactee_Colleen_Thomas_warns_of_hostile_Alien_Invasion_planned_for_Oct_2010_part_1_of_3


DECEPTION PROJECT pt12 - new world order, new age deception & the soul harvest agenda

This guy went from this:



To this:

Posted on Facebook by Roy F. Stewart:
Roy F. Stewart: Re UFO Disclosure dis-info, tied into New Age Deception, & True NWO and Alien Agenda, here is an interesting Video of a Man plugged into our Space Brothers. ? ? ?

Meet Rob who is in communication with the Nordics who many believe are the beautiful Pleiadians, our Space Brothers, here to help us...and yet it seems they a...re a cover for the dark pan-dimensional beings who actually wish to hold humanity back. Let him tell his story, let them speak through him. Fake? Well, as a film director and one who has studied acting and actors Im goin to say no. You decide. Fear mongering OR information "they" (aliens, illuminati, ets, demons, NWO, et al) dont want you to know? You decide? Why? You tell me.

Note 1) Rob (person speaking in video) is not the creator of the video and 2) first thing Rob says is that they lie to him...Uh oh, Red flag! 3) Rob/they and creator of video say that "they are the ships" 4) Recently, increased sightings have appeared, and I perceive more will be coming 5) as previously stated in previous posts, Spiritual Discernment is Paramount!

Warning: Not for the faint hearted.


This is this guy's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/FreedomOfTheSoul

Roy F. Stewart continues:
The following are two comments made by the creator of the video itself (answering questions) obtained where this video lies on youtube:

"there are ethical ET's out there, But they are not within Our MATRIX. THEY CANNOT HELP US, it is somet...hing we must do ourselves or we will never have the strength to exist in a reality beyond the small Box of dualism we are within. "There is Good out there," but until we resolve this situation with the parts of our collective consciusness that refuse to move on from the Other 3 worlds before ours. We will not be free to join our family in the cosmos or BEcome fully conscious."

"at this point in our awakening, we need not trust any outside force, what we perceive as aliens are fabrications of the real truth of who they are (illuminati in hollywood, media, etc). they never want you to connect demons with aliens, but what they truly are, are pan-dimensional beings, existing in and between dimensions of all realities, these beings have always been here, the true benevolent ets are outside the box because they respect that this is the game of duality for us.."See More
October 17 at 1:40pm ·
Roy F. Stewart
‎@Kay & @All: The man, a "civilian", IS in contact with ETs who are in fact demonic entities thus exposing the UFO deception, especially the one, in which good guy ets may be here or will come here to help us save the day. This took place ...recently like within the last year. To his credit, he did this on his own. However, be advised that there was, may still be a top secret think tank comprised of several US intelligence agencies including Air Force intelligence, Naval intelligence and others that came up with the same conclusion
years ago. Unfortunately, even they dont have all the answers: http://beyondthegrassyknoll.com/audio/TFDPoct2.mp3See More
October 18 at 11:52am
Roy F. Stewart
Well, the way I see it, there are 7 possibilities...

1) A Disclosure occurs (partial disclosure, thus false disclosure) AND the ETs buddies are here to help us (A Lie, see video and audio interview))

2) A False Alien Invasion occurs (project ...blue beam or human engineered craft) designed for us to huddle up and launch the NWO (A Lie)

3) An Actual Invasion with real ET craft from warring ET enemy of Man (return of more Anunnaki or Drac Reptilian beings (death and destruction, NWO for survivors)

4) No Disclosure, no invasion, BUT business as usual for the pan-dimensional beings who obtain their sustenance from our energy and seek to obtain our souls (see audio interview above)

5) A Rapture that many believe are good Space Brothers to take us away to another planet OR Angels to carry Jesus believers away before the armeggedon battle (A Lie: Death above and below, NWO for any survivors, see video above)

6) A combination of all six occurring simultaneously. or

7) We finally wake up, take our planet back and figure out the means to eliminate any and all threats and causes of 1-6 from any and all nefarious beings, creatures, humans! (and proceed with an ascension)

I choose #7, which do you choose?See More
October 19 at 10:09am

Was it not also foretold that many would not be able to handle the new energies?

As for the invasions... is it not obvious (unless he is faking) that this fellow
has just been INVADED... shields 'up' - make it so number one.

4Rivers

Hey again ya'll --

WOW ... this is such an INTERESTING thread ... and i've only read the last couple of pages or so! i have GOT to go back & read what i've MISSED for sure!!

i hardly know where to START ... so many thoughts and questions are TEEMING through my brain! POOR Rob makes a VERY convincing case of the "reality" of the scary scenario GK seems to be talking about as well. and i am NOT trying to say that this may not actually occur ... it very well MAY ... i don't really know myself. and i mentioned that i had "warned" my kids that this could be the case (just "in case"). if you asked me (either before OR after the last videos Sui posted) whether or not i'd feel "inclined" to trust aliens who are asking me to board their space ships so they could save me ... i would DEFININTELY say "i don't THINK so!" but ... i ALWAYS reserve the right to use "discernment" IN the MOMENT ... when i actually am FACED with such a need to "choose."

i sorta feel the need to STOP here and explain what EYE mean by "discernment." perhaps there is "consensus" among us here re: what this means...but lately i've felt like EYE might be using this term "differently" than some people. for me ... discernment is the PROCESS of trying to "follow God" in-the-moment ... whether they are the BIG and Dramatic moments ... life threatening ... soul threatening ... OR the more typical moments which usually fill our days ... e.g., what is the BEST/HIGHEST/MOSTLOVING way to "spend this time" ... to Be Here Now. and i do that NOT because i am AFRAID i'll make a "wrong move" and get myself into trouble (or a Nordic spaceship) ... but because over my 60-year lifespan in THIS incarnation, at the very least, i have had a Relationship with God ... through which i have come to know in the very depths of my Being ... that God/All-That-Is/Source/Ground-of-Our-Being is ULTIMATELY TrustWorthy. That is His/Her/It's Very Essence. S-He "has my back" ... and Always Will. so ... "discernment" means to me to try to "choose" during all these Big and Little moments the "way" that for me in that PARTICULAR instant God is Going. this metaphor may be too simplistic to make sense to ya'll. and, if so, i am truly sorry. but i'm BASICALLY just saying that since i'm a daughter/shard/piece of my "daddyGod" ... i've come to "Know" in my BONES that ... when i "ask for a fish" he's NOT gonna "give me a stone" (Jesus/a Gospel).

Just to be CLEAR, however, i want to assure you, Rok, that i DO believe in demons and the reality of evil (as i said above) ... i "respect" them/it. and i CERTAINLY don't think i'm too good/holy/learned/above being tricked/tempted by demonic forces. but i ALSO know that the Dark beings/forces that exist are ALSO "part of God" ... since that's ALL THAT IS ! and so ... even their "darkness" and their "temptations" are ULTIMATELY used in the service of the GOOD/God. and ... since God/Good is "FOR me" ... i.e., continually "pulling" me and "pulling for me" as i struggle in this world of duality ... when i ask for Guidance in WHATEVER moment ... i am GIVEN it ! and i've had decades Longer than some of you here to Experiment with and learn how this stuff works! i'm not saying that necessarily makes me "better" than anyone else at discerning ... but i am definitely at a point in my journey where i feel i can trust my "inner voices" more often than not ... as i said not long ago in another post: "my Spirit recognizes Truth and Truth-Tellers ... though my mind is sometimes not as quick to "decode the symbols." iow ... i more often "know" something clearly than i may be able to explain to you How/Why i know it. but this kind of "knowing" is MORE than just the sum total of my education and experiences ... though of course those are important pieces ... this "knowing" is the PRODUCT of the discernment process ... which includes the conscious/subconscius "listening" to the Holy Spirit/HigherSelf. so, if i can't really trust myself in this way to be able to "hear" "what God's saying" or to see "which way God's going" ... then i might as well just GIVE UP NOW ! that's ALL i've got!!!

so, Rok ... i seem to be talking to you MOST directly for some reason (about "discernment") ... these are not just New agey pretty-sounding words to me ... this is the Realest part of my life. that doesn't make me better or smarter or safer or anything ... but it DEFINITELY gives me Peace ... REAL peace ... that WHENEVER i really need to detect Good from Evil / Benign ETs from Bad ones / Angels from Demons ... i WILL be able to do exactly that ... it will be "just another day" (albeit a BIG one!) in my life on this earth. and God will be Faithful ... i Know this.

i'm sure i'll want to say more later ... about those Fascinating videos ... but i've Worn Myself "Plum Out" here ... going "on and on" about discernment ... and i need a break.

i LOVE you, Rok, and ALL my precious peeps!

nanna bobbi

Came across this video this morning ... and wondered how ya'll might think that this DOES/DOESN'T "fit in" with these various scenarios ... ya'll may ALREADY have seen this (hell! ... it might even be on our forum somewhere!) nanna just starting getting "back into" this stuff 11 months ago (since in my '20s) ... so there's DEFINITELY alot "out there" that i have MISSED completely ! it's AMAZING i found YA'LL (thanks to AV1) !

much love,

Inanna Kali
hippihill

Dear Queen Xeia/SuiG ...

i'm in the middle of the process of "filling in the blanks" that i haven't yet read/watched in this thread ... i had "participated" in the first part of it ... then went on "hiatus" ... and when i got back, i just picked it up at the last 2 pages or so (at your "Media" discussion). so, after reviewing the 1st few pages (and "peeking" at the middle parts that i'd missed!) ... i JUMPED into catching myself up with THIS thread (i've been busy "catching up" and reviewing OTHER "Heaven" threads too lately). anyway ... i just HAD to stop and tell you, darling girl, that i am SO grateful to be here in this group where you have so LOVINGLY and GENEROUSLY poured out your energies to make all this "Cool" information so READILY accessible to your Thuban family! you are the BEST, sweet sister, and i count myself VERY LUCKY to have "bumped into you" this year ... though ACTUALLY it was more like "being introduced to you" by Tony/Abraxas, to give credit where it's due! anyway ... i want to Thank You PERSONALLY, Sui, AND as a Thuban-in-Good-Standing (i HOPE!) for EVERYTHING you do for your "soul Brothers & Sisters" here. we are truly SO BLESSED that your "mission" has brought you here as a "Channel" and Interpreter of Truth ! BLESSINGS upon you, my StarSister ... from the bottom of my Heart!

and NOW ... Back to "the Books" ... AFTER a short break to BREATHE!

i love you, Warrior Woman Xeia ... and ALL my Dragon Siblings!

Nanna bobbi

I would have to agree... ditto from me as well.
Thank you... Xeia SuiGeneris and all the other admins and contributors...

4Rivers

I'm not sure if i'm putting this in the Best spot ... but i wanted to share it ... i thought it was EXILERATING myself ! let me know what YA'll think ...

love,

I.K.

ROk --

These are the tapes i "came across" elsewhere ... after your original post. i thought they served to "fill in the gaps" nicely (in terms of your "excerpt.")

let me take ANOTHER stab at the "issue" you are trying to "bring up" or challenge us to think about ...

ARE you basically ASKING: "WHAT does each of us Base our claim to "Know" ANYTHING upon" ??? you mention the various and sundry 'influences' which inevitably (without our Willing it) come to bear on our Perspectives ... psychological, sociological, physical, spiritual, experiential, etc. & etc. And so you seem to be Observing ... "Given this TAPESTRY of conscious and/or sub-conscious aspects which unavoidably 'color' Everything we perceive with our senses and reflect-upon with our minds ... No One, therefore, can make a claim to Complete Objectivity in their quest to 'Know' what is True ... so then ... How does ANYONE's 'claim' to be Speaking Truth carry any more weight than any OTHER such 'claim' ??? and even if we decide one Claim CAN somehow be weighted 'more heavily' than another claim ... what are the Critical Criteria sincere & disciplined Mind-Hearts should use ... to evaluate the Plethora of Competing Claims to Truth" ???

what say you, Rok? is this any CLOSER to your "point"?? (if NOT ... at least it IS a Good Question ... doncha think?!)

love,

i.k.