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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:51 pm

    Didymos wrote:

    What time Rok?;..the time to engage definitions?..or the time to show certain frustrations?...or the time for 'changing things'?..or..

    Oh no no...nothing that fancy.

    I ll just go with the initial advice - "be yourself" (it never fails..just look above)

    thx for the answers

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  SuiGeneris on Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:47 pm

    Whoever said that change is a bad thing? But not all change is a good thing!
    About it being good or bad, it's only a matter of perception...so next time I decide to change my mind about something just grin and bear it and don't make a fuss.



    For me things are happening with the speed of time.
    Yes I know this... Sometimes it feels to me as if we live in different worlds altogether and the speed of your world is much too slow for me.



    Aaaannnd...change is ok as long as it is "congruent"...
    You not seeing it as congruent does not mean it is not to me.



    and.....your change might not also be the "best" without some involvement from "others".
    I gather that you super-analyze even your reaction to your possible feelings trying to somehow keeping one step ahead of "trouble" or any sort of "drama" but sometimes that is not possible and life will catch up with you forcing you to surrender to your emotions without giving you much time to analyze anything....and then once that happens you realize that you did not vanish into thin air or that it wasn't that "aweful" an experience....



    I keep tabs for everything.

    I tend to do this too sometimes...Hhmm.... i wonder what score I have so far.. lol Do you use decimal points in your grading system? or you only use letter grading? Make ups?



    Politicians would be proud at this paragraph
    Really? but I don't like politics...politics is like religion and I don't like dogma either...



    SuiGeneris wrote:
    If someone doesn’t meet your desired expectation…couldn’t that be your own ego deceiving you?
    Yes it could...there is always a chance for that...a small one...but it is.
    Yes, so perhaps it would be best to let ppl surprise you sometimes and just take them as they come. No judging...



    Yes people love IF. Do you too love IF?

    No, talking about ppl I already love... I take them as they come and if any drama arises I deal with it. Not much you can do if they are already in your life and your heart.



    What is loving mentally? How is that in practice? What is it that you do...besides poetic justice that i get to read here over and over again from all that tend to respond.
    Hmm..hard question. But if you must compartmentalize...you may think that it could be just thinking about loving that person on the mental plane of the 4th Dimension. However, if there is real love involved, you can't really separate it from the heart because it is born in the heart; iow, you would also love that person emotionally, chemically, spiritually, etc. So because we are multidimensional beings our love is also multidimensional.



    I do not know. People spam "i love you" all the time. I do not. U know this and u tend to get upset over it...refusing to understand what saying that is to me... Go ask those who spam "i love you" "love" "love to all" "love and light"....but i am afraid all u will get is some slimy words with sugar on top.
    Not all who "spam" I love you as you say don't actually mean it. I agree that you will find many especially in the New Age community who simply say it thinking that it's hype or whatever, but some actually have already understood the actual meaning of the word and do try to live as one with everyone else in which case the greeting of "I love you" comes naturally and is pertinent.



    How about allowing yourself...and others..not to feel guilty?
    Could only be truly understood after the fact or after having lived it, so... I am open to having the experience.


    Emotions always come into play...try not to be selfish and resentful when they do...it is a good "exercise" for the begging.
    I do allow myself to be selfish and resentful and everything else...but since I am aware of my emotions I think about them and after a short while I let them go from me and go back to being happy again (I transmute them)...and I will keep doing this until it gets easier and easier for me not to react to these types of emotions at all. It does take practice and it's not easy..especially for a passionate Spanish girl like me... I don't expect to EVER get rid of them since I consider my human emotions a gift, but I do expect to be able to rise above them having understood their use and reason for being.




    abstract poetic justice....with an addition that he needs to be a suitable peace of meat with some brain....

    Suitable piece of meat is a necessity.. I mean, how can you actually fall in love with someone you don't find attractive? And what's more.. the "some brain" part is not acceptable to me. Anyone has some brain, but my personal preference as of right now is someone at my same level or above. Someone who can actually teach me a thing or two. This is something women know intuitively.



    Being jealous and possessive is the root cause of all "evil" (not always love related). Feel what you like...but....do not overflow others with it.
    Wrong. The root cause of all evil is fear. Which in turn is also found to be somewhere at the root cause of being jealous and possessive. Look, I am like a river...and like all rivers they do overflow sometimes. What's wrong with that? I am also a water bender and I tend to control my own flow and intensity anyway. It's all about self control and exact measurements...like alchemy. Usually when that happens fertile soil is born out of it. It's just a matter of heeding the moment. Lol...I see Hades is afraid of getting wet...Tsk tsk tsk



    Compromises....everything has its limits.[/size][/font]
    Wrong again. Love has no limits.


    SuiGeneris wrote:
    To me 5D love means to surrender to love. To want to make him happy first no matter what, who, where, how long, situation, etc, etc…. no conditions…no if’s...not as a slave, but in a way of wanting to share the love I already have inside...for myself and towards him.

    abstract..poetic justice...but close enough....

    Abstract? Damn! If you can't understand that paragraph...then there is no hope for you my sweet dear lord of the underworld. As far as it being poetic yes thank you...I write as I speak and I speak as I think...so my mind is a work of art. Now...close enough? Close enough to what exactly? Your own definition of 5D love perhaps?


    Trying..hmm yes...people do try...most of times..
    Actually a much better word would be doing, wouldn't it? Actually, isn't this what we Dragons are immersed in right now? The actual practice of anchoring 5D into duality? So Yey for us!!!!!cheers


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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  SuiGeneris on Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:07 pm

    Violet=Xeia Green=Tony Cyan=Rok

    I shall intersperse your comments to the best extent I can reply both rationally in the physical AND in the metaphysical aspects.
    Cumulatively, it is there I perceive your 'frustrations' - your difficulties to synthesize or even allow the metaphysical reality to infuse and precede the physical reality.
    You are not alone in this 'predicament' Rok; this situation is rather ubiquitous.

    Yes my amazing sweet dear TonyLove, you have hit the nail in the head! For Hades can only "see" what's there as he once said and I was thinking...Is it possible for the Universe to teach him in reverse?... that perhaps for him the physical reality and actual experience will precede the metaphysical and make him see it?


    I will not take it from people telling me all is love...making an "easy way out". Speaking of all is love and them not being love...or perhaps it is just me (a string to pull for those that do not know how to do it otherwise).
    Yes Rok; it is 'just' you.
    "All is love" is not really an easy way out, on the contrary. If you really understand that idea and accept it, then you are in for some major inner work to tame and slay your Dragon. Anyway Hades you shouldn't preoccupy yourself with "people" especially the obvious ones who show not to walk their talk. Nevertheless, essentially all ARE "allowed" to speak about love and trying to understand its concept and meaning while at the same time not being 'all love' themselves... Think about it, we are still in duality. Now, putting aside the hypocrites and cynics, some are actually willing to begin experimenting with this "new" 5D Love as something abstract first, as and idea...then mentally and emotionally; but that doesn't mean that they will automatically will be able to live it and bring it into their lives right away. The heart must take over and bypass the ego and this may bring resistance at first and cause all kinds of side effects...even physical ones. More and more their actions will reflect their understanding and gnosis, and in time their insight and consistency will gradually win if their focus and intention is strong enough.



    You see in those quantum terms, 'Love' becomes the minimum spacetime configuration as the building block or holofractal unit for whatever your physicality can perceive with its 5 senses and their extensions (it becomes superfluous should you accept such 'extrasensory' perceptions or not).
    The frustration lies in the inability to access this mentally due to the lack of any point of reference or "proof" for someone so mental as Hades. I witness the same type of situation with many members of my immediate family who worship the intellect and science but dismiss esoteric knowledge and metaphysics. How to bridge the gap?


    Your personal 'misgivings' about people's expressions and statement about 'love' then have no influence whatsoever of how this 'quantum Love, actually like a Photon of electromagnetic gauge interactions, manifests as the 'canvas' or matrix for the cosmos to exist in.
    The way I see it...it is there in his face he just can't see it. And the reason he can't see it, is because he can't dissecting it in order to analyze it. That approach may work on anything else in this world...except Love. It is too big and too complex to encase it and give it a definition and conclusion, especially if it is being categorized as something existing outside of yourself. Then comes the whole issue of resisting the unknown due to fear.


    Stating a definition can be "controversial"...if you doubt that...start a debate about love and sex when there will be like 5 or so people in group chat (make sure you get proper male-female ratio)...get a first aid kit before you do...and hope form them to actually go and be honest...and the most important thing - ask the right questions....the ones that can "hurt".

    Not controversial if you can indeed define your terms and context. This is how rational science and the reductionistic methodologies applied thereto actually function.
    Controversial or not I think it's a great idea!!! When do we do this? It is about time we have our next sexy chat anyway!!! cheers


    Because herein is the problem about this 'Feeling of Being in Love'; yet not really knowing why.
    Of course the physical attraction is biochemical (one has the hots); but it also can be mental attraction and a number of mixed states of communication between 'soul entities'.

    I agree. And here lies another key factor in this discussion. There are a number of ways to feel love for each other and all are perfectly OK. The Love of a human being cannot be restricted to a mere one "definition". For example, I may have the hots for a man's body and be in love with another one's mind. Who is to say that both are not a type of love? Sometimes the entire package is a rare gem to find! he he...OMG I can't believe I just said that...(I'm spending way too much time with Raven! lol)


    Once this is done, it is found that 'Love' is the 'Life of the Cosmos' and the 'Consciousness of Spacetime' as this structured and formed universe itself.
    It becomes a form of 'Selfawareness'; the Cosmos itself realising itself as what it is and ever was; yet experiencing a form of EVOLVEMENT from various vantage points of self-observation and even structural forms of self definitions.

    Indeed it is... not as an idea but as a fact. This paragraph above is just genius.


    This is like a poem of a sort....leaves space for "interpreting it". Somewhat like me saying "love is the binding force"...like gravity. Which means it can be "light years" away from any perception that we might have right now.
    No Rok, not at all.
    Your problem here is simply misunderstanding and unfamiliarity with the quantum nature of the cosmology.

    Perhaps Hades will gain this understanding in the blink of an eye... the lucky day in which Love will fall like a brick and hits him in the head. Ouch!


    'Love' as the Energy of space and time preexisting their own definition in whatever terms.
    Yes because out of love everything was born. So everything has to contain it within, as a holofractal unit of Creation. Isn't it awesome?



    But this way anyone can "dress it up" the way he or she wants it to be? And if that is so...people should just look for those who have the same "description" of what that is...and if that is so...love can be anything people make it to be?
    Yes, ultimately... Love is what it is to you. You are a creator God and your own perception of Love is unique in the Universe.


    Unification?
    Yes babe indeed.



    The only true love is love for self? How does that look in "practice" (every day situations) with other people?
    Once you can understand WHO YOU truly are; namely the creator of All that Is BOTH in Oneness OUT OF SPACETIME (and so the necessitated definition as a boundary condition for this oneness in its minmax configurations); AND in the Manyness of the interactions with many others and your encountered environments; THEN You will understand that YOUR practice is also a manyness and a collective Oneness encompassing ALL possible personalities and individuations.
    you can't love anyone if you don't have love in your heart to share. No one will make you happy. You make yourself happy sharing the love you each have to give. You are responsible for your own happiness


    And to say it in general to all
    Due to my soon to be a "short leave" (still not sure) and...other stuff...i would just like to sum up the current "progress" (in a way it is an exaggeration to call it progress) of this thread.

    I wish that there will be no "conclusions" of this kind....


    There is ONE common point in all of this and perhaps the proper word to describe it is BALDERDASH (yes you heard me)
    Trying to understand the concept of unconditional love and trying to live it is not balderdash in the least...I consider it an honorable undertaking.


    There is an art and the art it love. People paint it as the see it...the way they like it. Than it comes the critic. Critic points out to stuff that "stands out" (like an erect dick). The artist than does what any other true artists does - he goes to hide in a chimney. What the artist could do is grab that dick and give it a good rubbing...but no...artists do not want to do that..."once up, leave it up"...they say. Afraid to change anything that might no longer go along with their ideal picture.

    And what does this have to do with 5D you ask yourself?

    Well..not much i guess.

    Can you be less cryptic?

    You people cant even call me on my bullshit since you do not even know if there is any....long noses, lip biting and self assuring giggles will not do you any good.
    And...no....overflowing the "situation" with the intensity building up in you while reading this post will be counter productive. Yet you so want to do it?
    Dont you?

    Listen Hades baby...I thought you were trying to figure out how to actually feel 5D unconditional love for someone while still being stuck on 3D and doing it painlessly. I can tell you right now... it CAN be done, but only if you have at least the basic understanding of what Love actually is. And as far as the process being painless, well...I can't help you there. Running away from pain or hurt won't make it go away.


    Remember....next time you spammed with "I love you" "love you all" "love you so much" - just...keep smiling
    I am not really sure what you are on about here Rok. Most of Us here are well aware of the BS of the 'Love and Light' Brigades.
    Actually, I love it when someone says "I love you", when they say "love you all" I feel included and when someone I care about says "I love you so much" it does give me a warm feeling inside :)

    add. note - when done from male to female, make sure first about how horny his "love" is
    What's wrong with being horny? What's so terrible if a boy talks about love or says "I love you" to a girl?? I haven't met one girl who doesn't like this...

    I know you don't get that much light in the Underworld...but we do love you Hades!! And do you know why? Because we know you are not the only "evil" one in here. We ALL have the devil inside (like the INXS song) And so we should help each other to try to find the answers we may have but within a space of love and compassion, not ego based competition. We are all in this together and if you think you are in Love...then you should be considering yourself blessed. Not all have the opportunity to actually practice with someone the Art of 5D Love while still in 3D.

    Ode to Hades!

    We Love you!!


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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:41 am

    I shall intersperse your comments to the best extent I can reply both rationally in the physical AND in the metaphysical aspects.
    Cumulatively, it is there I perceive your 'frustrations' - your difficulties to synthesize or even allow the metaphysical reality to infuse and precede the physical reality.
    You are not alone in this 'predicament' Rok; this situation is rather ubiquitous.

    Yes my amazing sweet dear TonyLove, you have hit the nail in the head! For Hades can only "see" what's there as he once said and I was thinking...Is it possible for the Universe to teach him in reverse?... that perhaps for him the physical reality and actual experience will precede the metaphysical and make him see it?

    Due to my lack of knowledge in math and physics of university (or higher) level i will not "engage" Tony in his definitions. This can make it harder to do anything at all in this response, since that means i can hardly replay to him at all. I will not pretend that i "get it" or that i "feel it" or whatever.

    To the purple: i want you to elaborate on what tony says in this paragraph using science language and than i want tony to confirm it. before that...there is not much we can discuss about it.



    I will not take it from people telling me all is love...making an "easy way out". Speaking of all is love and them not being love...or perhaps it is just me (a string to pull for those that do not know how to do it otherwise).
    Yes Rok; it is 'just' you.
    "All is love" is not really an easy way out, on the contrary. If you really understand that idea and accept it, then you are in for some major inner work to tame and slay your Dragon. Anyway Hades you shouldn't preoccupy yourself with "people" especially the obvious ones who show not to walk their talk. Nevertheless, essentially all ARE "allowed" to speak about love and trying to understand its concept and meaning while at the same time not being 'all love' themselves... Think about it, we are still in duality. Now, putting aside the hypocrites and cynics, some are actually willing to begin experimenting with this "new" 5D Love as something abstract first, as and idea...then mentally and emotionally; but that doesn't mean that they will automatically will be able to live it and bring it into their lives right away. The heart must take over and bypass the ego and this may bring resistance at first and cause all kinds of side effects...even physical ones. More and more their actions will reflect their understanding and gnosis, and in time their insight and consistency will gradually win if their focus and intention is strong enough.

    Walk..talk..show....ok i will just go by my "definition" and when i will see someone...not going by my "definition" i ll just....ignore it.

    Ow yes all can speak about love....no one is to stop them....no need to even mention that.

    Indeed we are in duality...so....why even bother yourself?

    and the rest is bla bla



    You see in those quantum terms, 'Love' becomes the minimum spacetime configuration as the building block or holofractal unit for whatever your physicality can perceive with its 5 senses and their extensions (it becomes superfluous should you accept such 'extrasensory' perceptions or not).
    The frustration lies in the inability to access this mentally due to the lack of any point of reference or "proof" for someone so mental as Hades. I witness the same type of situation with many members of my immediate family who worship the intellect and science but dismiss esoteric knowledge and metaphysics. How to bridge the gap?


    Tell you what, purple, first you do it....than i might get more encouraged.



    Your personal 'misgivings' about people's expressions and statement about 'love' then have no influence whatsoever of how this 'quantum Love, actually like a Photon of electromagnetic gauge interactions, manifests as the 'canvas' or matrix for the cosmos to exist in.
    The way I see it...it is there in his face he just can't see it. And the reason he can't see it, is because he can't dissecting it in order to analyze it. That approach may work on anything else in this world...except Love. It is too big and too complex to encase it and give it a definition and conclusion, especially if it is being categorized as something existing outside of yourself. Then comes the whole issue of resisting the unknown due to fear.


    Feel free to see it any way you wish to.



    Stating a definition can be "controversial"...if you doubt that...start a debate about love and sex when there will be like 5 or so people in group chat (make sure you get proper male-female ratio)...get a first aid kit before you do...and hope form them to actually go and be honest...and the most important thing - ask the right questions....the ones that can "hurt".

    Not controversial if you can indeed define your terms and context. This is how rational science and the reductionistic methodologies applied thereto actually function.
    Controversial or not I think it's a great idea!!! When do we do this? It is about time we have our next sexy chat anyway!!! cheers


    No it has nothing to do with sex chat. Very far from it. But go and blow yourself up if you wish to. Dont expect me to be there though.


    And i was talking about an actual discussion not kindergarten play.


    Because herein is the problem about this 'Feeling of Being in Love'; yet not really knowing why.
    Of course the physical attraction is biochemical (one has the hots); but it also can be mental attraction and a number of mixed states of communication between 'soul entities'.

    I agree. And here lies another key factor in this discussion. There are a number of ways to feel love for each other and all are perfectly OK. The Love of a human being cannot be restricted to a mere one "definition". For example, I may have the hots for a man's body and be in love with another one's mind. Who is to say that both are not a type of love? Sometimes the entire package is a rare gem to find! he he...OMG I can't believe I just said that...(I'm spending way too much time with Raven! lol)


    Number of ways? Than my way is very different from yours. I wonder what other "ways" are there. Tell you what...i accept your "way". You just now accept my "way" and we can all move on.



    Once this is done, it is found that 'Love' is the 'Life of the Cosmos' and the 'Consciousness of Spacetime' as this structured and formed universe itself.
    It becomes a form of 'Selfawareness'; the Cosmos itself realising itself as what it is and ever was; yet experiencing a form of EVOLVEMENT from various vantage points of self-observation and even structural forms of self definitions.

    Indeed it is... not as an idea but as a fact. This paragraph above is just genius.


    To the purple: i want you to elaborate on what tony says in this
    paragraph using science language and than i want tony to confirm it.
    before that...there is not much we can discuss about it.



    This is like a poem of a sort....leaves space for "interpreting it". Somewhat like me saying "love is the binding force"...like gravity. Which means it can be "light years" away from any perception that we might have right now.
    No Rok, not at all.
    Your problem here is simply misunderstanding and unfamiliarity with the quantum nature of the cosmology.

    Perhaps Hades will gain this understanding in the blink of an eye... the lucky day in which Love will fall like a brick and hits him in the head. Ouch!


    To the purple: i want you to elaborate on what tony says in this
    paragraph using science language and than i want tony to confirm it.
    before that...there is not much we can discuss about it.



    'Love' as the Energy of space and time preexisting their own definition in whatever terms.
    Yes because out of love everything was born. So everything has to contain it within, as a holofractal unit of Creation. Isn't it awesome?


    To the purple: i want you to elaborate on what tony says in this
    paragraph using science language and than i want tony to confirm it.
    before that...there is not much we can discuss about it.



    But this way anyone can "dress it up" the way he or she wants it to be? And if that is so...people should just look for those who have the same "description" of what that is...and if that is so...love can be anything people make it to be?
    Yes, ultimately... Love is what it is to you. You are a creator God and your own perception of Love is unique in the Universe.


    Ok than why even bother i mean...this THREAD is COMPLETED.....oh the "holy" day.... Love is what it is to me....why all the quantum stuff than and your "agreement" and "understanding" of it....

    SO....problem solved...case closed. It is to me...what it is to me...and it is to you...what it is to you.



    Unification?
    Yes babe indeed.



    The only true love is love for self? How does that look in "practice" (every day situations) with other people?
    Once you can understand WHO YOU truly are; namely the creator of All that Is BOTH in Oneness OUT OF SPACETIME (and so the necessitated definition as a boundary condition for this oneness in its minmax configurations); AND in the Manyness of the interactions with many others and your encountered environments; THEN You will understand that YOUR practice is also a manyness and a collective Oneness encompassing ALL possible personalities and individuations.
    you can't love anyone if you don't have love in your heart to share. No one will make you happy. You make yourself happy sharing the love you each have to give. You are responsible for your own happiness


    And you say this why? Was there nothing else on your mind or just another emotional moment?



    And to say it in general to all
    Due to my soon to be a "short leave" (still not sure) and...other stuff...i would just like to sum up the current "progress" (in a way it is an exaggeration to call it progress) of this thread.

    I wish that there will be no "conclusions" of this kind....


    You may wish...you may never get...but still...you can wish.



    There is ONE common point in all of this and perhaps the proper word to describe it is BALDERDASH (yes you heard me)
    Trying to understand the concept of unconditional love and trying to live it is not balderdash in the least...I consider it an honorable undertaking.


    Honorable? Well i do not see anyone here understanding this concept.... I cant say about Tony since he keeps to the science language... Guess this makes them all honorable...good for them.



    There is an art and the art it love. People paint it as the see it...the way they like it. Than it comes the critic. Critic points out to stuff that "stands out" (like an erect dick). The artist than does what any other true artists does - he goes to hide in a chimney. What the artist could do is grab that dick and give it a good rubbing...but no...artists do not want to do that..."once up, leave it up"...they say. Afraid to change anything that might no longer go along with their ideal picture.

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    And what does this have to do with 5D you ask yourself?

    Well..not much i guess.

    Can you be less cryptic?


    There is nothing encrypted.



    You people cant even call me on my bullshit since you do not even know if there is any....long noses, lip biting and self assuring giggles will not do you any good.
    And...no....overflowing the "situation" with the intensity building up in you while reading this post will be counter productive. Yet you so want to do it?
    Dont you?

    Listen Hades baby...I thought you were trying to figure out how to actually feel 5D unconditional love for someone while still being stuck on 3D and doing it painlessly. I can tell you right now... it CAN be done, but only if you have at least the basic understanding of what Love actually is. And as far as the process being painless, well...I can't help you there. Running away from pain or hurt won't make it go away.


    This coming from you is hypocrite and a lot of bla bla in it....oh when i say bla bla tha is balderdash (a word i learn only few days ago)



    Remember....next time you spammed with "I love you" "love you all" "love you so much" - just...keep smiling
    I am not really sure what you are on about here Rok. Most of Us here are well aware of the BS of the 'Love and Light' Brigades.
    Actually, I love it when someone says "I love you", when they say "love you all" I feel included and when someone I care about says "I love you so much" it does give me a warm feeling inside :)


    yes i know.... feel free to feel warm



    add. note - when done from male to female, make sure first about how horny his "love" is
    What's wrong with being horny? What's so terrible if a boy talks about love or says "I love you" to a girl?? I haven't met one girl who doesn't like this...


    You do not understand, what i wanted to say is that this is just someone trying to get off....the "love you" part is there just to "make you warm" or the better word would be manipulate....since he will love you immensely when it will be time to empty the balls....but in the rest of the time there wont be much real connection or he wont be there at all.....etc...


    And the movie at the end....i guess that is how you call someone "judas"?

    You are not getting any better at understanding things...epically when i use that name...but at least it was more entertaining than the rest of the post.
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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  wastelander on Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:07 am

    i know i haven't read anywhere near as much as anyone on this forum about the thuban beliefs, laws or whatever, but this is just one thing i've wondered about, and feel free to let me know i'm borderline retarded...and this may not be the right place for this but just reading through the last page i felt i should hit reply, my bad.

    "Yes, ultimately... Love is what it is to you. You are a creator God and your own perception of Love is unique in the Universe"


    the above statement and "EVERYTHING IS LOVE" seem to be the most fundamental "theme" or " message" i have "scavenged" from the thuban sites. so just a couple of ?? here


    if love is determined or defined by each individual "creator god", and a creator god has sex with a child (and i don't mean just 15, 16, 17 years old), but he/she truly feels they are "making love" to that child out of love and not just merely "having sex" with the child because he/she is horny, does that make it any kind of "true" love, or is it still his/her own perversity??


    as for this "ALL IS LOVE" thing...bobbi has used this term (all is love, everything is love) many times recently and i can't help but wonder if people using this term take a moment to think about the millions of people being raped, tortured, beheaded, starving, all the men, women and children at war killing other human beings just because their "master's" or "farmer's" greed for more power, land, oil and so forth are more important than human or any other kind of life... if "Everything" is love, you must include these horrid acts for they cannot be considered "NO-THING" as if they do not exist nor happen...therefor the "ALL IS LOVE" thing doesn't seem to hold much "truth" in any way or form unless you can consider "evil" acts such as these acts of love.
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    The Righteous Sheep and the Evil Goats

    Post  Didymos on Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:47 am

    wastelander wrote: i know i haven't read anywhere near as much as anyone on this forum about the thuban beliefs, laws or whatever, but this is just one thing i've wondered about, and feel free to let me know i'm borderline retarded...and this may not be the right place for this but just reading through the last page i felt i should hit reply, my bad.

    "Yes, ultimately... Love is what it is to you. You are a creator God and your own perception of Love is unique in the Universe"


    the above statement and "EVERYTHING IS LOVE" seem to be the most fundamental "theme" or " message" i have "scavenged" from the thuban sites. so just a couple of ?? here


    if love is determined or defined by each individual "creator god", and a creator god has sex with a child (and i don't mean just 15, 16, 17 years old), but he/she truly feels they are "making love" to that child out of love and not just merely "having sex" with the child because he/she is horny, does that make it any kind of "true" love, or is it still his/her own perversity??


    as for this "ALL IS LOVE" thing...bobbi has used this term (all is love, everything is love) many times recently and i can't help but wonder if people using this term take a moment to think about the millions of people being raped, tortured, beheaded, starving, all the men, women and children at war killing other human beings just because their "master's" or "farmer's" greed for more power, land, oil and so forth are more important than human or any other kind of life... if "Everything" is love, you must include these horrid acts for they cannot be considered "NO-THING" as if they do not exist nor happen...therefor the "ALL IS LOVE" thing doesn't seem to hold much "truth" in any way or form unless you can consider "evil" acts such as these acts of love.

    Well wastelander; this is a question the philosophers have asked each other and themselves for millennia.

    If there is cosmic justice and a 'God of Love' as scripture proclaims; then this can only mean that there must be a 'Last Judgement' between the 'Good' and the 'Evil' and between the 'Truth' and the 'Falseness'.

    OR as the skeptics would say; the atrocities and the inhumanity of man towards man and the other creatures found upon earth PROVES logically, that such a cosmic justice and henceforth a 'God of Love' cannot exist and is human fantasy and fabrication.


    1. 1 John 4:7
      Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

    2. 1 John 4:8
      He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.





    Matthew.25:...
    32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.....

    The words of the World Logos above sort of allow you then to draw the right conclusions, IF you can also decipher the symbols and archetypes in the 'Word of God'.
    For it is made rather clear in the 'holy books decoded'; that the goats and sheeps are images of each other; one true and the other false.

    Then the 'eternally damned' become the false images and NOT individual (souls say). The 'beast' rising from the 'Sea' is YOUR own false perception of who and what you are, say as the individual persona labeled 'wastelander'.

    Likewise the 'False Prophet' rising from the 'Land' is YOU as well not understanding that your own 'fakeness' of perception is YOUR own false image as well as the object for the image.

    Adam, is the TRUE Image of God, but sees the fake-God (as the Beast of the apocalypse) as his own image and YOU and every man IS Adam with a JOB to do as the Old Testament explicitely describes for the ones able to read between the lines of the 'parables'.

    So what is the 'God of Love'?

    The God of Love is the ENERGY which MADE the cosmos and so INCLUDES the CONTEXT of the EVIL=LIVE mirrored in all its 'abominations' and the pain and the suffering and what have you.
    WHY does the 'Evil' exist?

    Because without someplace in the universe sometime EXPERIENCING the whole kaboodle of this 'monstrosity'; NO meaningful context for the 'Love of God' as being everything could exist.
    And the 'God of Love' is a 'perfectionist'. He(She) wants hisher cake and eat it too. So no halfbaked 'a little bit of evil here and there will do here'.

    To EXPERIENCE and manifest the MAXIMUM possible 'WAY OF LOVE' (as manifested by the World Logos 1980 years ago); some 'Place of Destiny' (namely Gaia) will have to SUFFER and experience the maximisation of EVILNESS to SERVE as an example of what mental ignorance (aka sinfulness) can get to in an civilisation, otherwise destined for galactic membership.

    Then in the future, some starhuman children, playing computer games and being restricted to experience 'cyber violence' as the context between 'Good and Evil'; will be able to WITNESS certain films and videos of and about this 'Planet of Cosmic Destiny', called Gaia; where there actually once upon a time LIVED this race called humans, who had collectively forgotten the basic laws of the universe and also had forgotten themselves as children of that selfsame Universe - destined to become merkabah universes themselves.
    So the starhums will KNOW by watching the 'Human Histories' of How NOT to Be a Civilisation of abuse, war and violence.
    The CONTEXT of human and earth suffering so carries a COSMIC Agenda of exemplarity and complexity.

    The 'Evilness' of God in context is encoded in Isaiah (not liked by the Jesus freaks and bible bashers for obvious reasons of doing away with their version of the 'Last Judgement' and in a Dead Sea Scroll 4Q392 and in Isaiah.45.7:


    4Q392:
    "[...] and dominions [...][...] a man [...] God and not to turn aside from [...] and in His covenant your soul shall cling and [...] words of His mouth [...] and God [...] heaven above and to search out the ways of the sons of man, they have no hiding place. He created darkness and light for Himself, but in His dwelling place is the light of their light and all darkness rests before Him as well. He has no need to distinguish between light and darkness, but for the sons of man He distinguishes them as the light of day, with the sun, and night, with the moon and stars. He has a light which cannot be searched out, nor can its end be known. For all the works of God are doubled in this manner. We are flesh, which does not totally grasp these things. With us for [...] for a sign and wonders without number. [...] winds and lightning [...] servants of the holy of holies. They are as couches before him [...]." - translated by Martin G. Abegg, Jr.

    Isaiah:45.7:
    "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  SuiGeneris on Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:19 pm

    Rok wrote:
    No it has nothing to do with sex chat. Very far from it. But go and blow yourself up if you wish to. Dont expect me to be there though. And i was talking about an actual discussion not kindergarten play.
    I'm sure we can find 5 or more people to have this "grown-up" discussion, so just name the time and place and count me in.

    And as far as the Sexy Chat goes....it is NOT kindergarten play, far from it.

    Here our Beloved Dydimos sums it up pretty well:


    The Meaning and Purpose of 'Sexy Chat' and its Derivatives not confined to this location of the Dragon's Den as Noah's Ark for a reconfigured Archetypology of Creation!!!


    What We are attempting to manifest here, is a new way for the human mind to express itself, using its most potent and powerful creative energy available - that of the human sexual impulsivity.
    Now consider yourself as a Co-Creator, enabled by and through your being a shard of the World Soul or of God as a Oneness and also being an actual part of the Cosmic Logos as an Individuated Logos; you may call it your little Logos as a part of a big Logos or consider yourself as piece of a cake the creator-creation wishes to share or a IRREPLACABLE part of a jigsaw puzzle hanging on the bedroom wall of the creator-creation himherself.

    Now consider that the Old World as a prior creation is incomplete - something is missing.
    This 'lack of something' is then told metaphorically and symbolically as the 'Great Flood' doing away with the old creation to create something new and as say the Rainbow Covenent between the creator God and Noah and his family in the Genesis account of the bible, Old Testament or Torah.
    Then the Logos, as the intelligence of the creator decides to make a new world and all of the Noahs, beginning necessarily with one to show the way; are called upon to HELP making this new film or play.

    What is required to make a film?

    First the idea must be manifested; secondly a script must be written by a scriptwriter or composer; thirdly a production team must be set up to choose the actors and the actresses and the screenplays and fourthly the actors and actresses must be selected to fill the roles.
    Then the scriptwriters and the producers and the directors form a team to make the movie.
    All of US here are all these roles in divers degrees as selfchosen co-creators to HELP God as the all encompassing Energy in the Cosmos as the Goddess and the World Soul as OUR all encompassing Logos to MANIFEST this New script within OUR collective consciousness, yet being INDIVIDUALISED in OUR respective unique cosmic Identities as shards of the Wholeness aka the Holy or Divine Unity.

    So all of US will FILTER and perceive this New Film or Play WE are manufacturing collectively in OUR own personal and characterising way; YET as in any film, WE all are required to 'Follow the script' as outlined by the Playwright.
    After 'shooting finishes' in the times of recess, WE all are of course free to laugh at the work WE have engaged Ourselves in and pursue Our ordinary matters.
    The Signum Septus thread so defines part of the script in the 'choosing' of the actors and a general background of the Old Creation to be portrayed in a new form and manner.
    The coproduction of all participants so attempts to REDEFINE the role of the separated maleness and femaleness in the Adam and Eve or Husband and Wife symbol to in some manner complement themselves, so forming and becoming a new more satisfying unity, say through the cultural institution of a sacred marriage or matrimonial union.

    This in the Old World is defined in cultural and social constructs in which it often is

    appropriate for a husband to have more than one wife, say as in Islam, Mormonism and the more 'delicate' social norms of the aristocracy to supplement the often etiquette requirement of a regal spouse with any number of cherished concubines.
    Away from the aristocracy or the 'well to do' strata of society; this inherent 'sexism' then manifests in clandestine affairs, a high divorce rate, selfimposed celibacies and a superintensive pornographic industry more interested in fiscal exchanges and profits, then the exploration of the human sexual energies seeking for expression.
    The 'Play of the Gods and Goddesses of Serpentina' of the New World so attempts to simply produce a 'New Movie' in Archetypes and Symbols which does away with the 'old sexism' standing it literally on its head.

    First, the power of the masculine sexual domination in the mental and cultural history is annulled.
    This takes the form for all brothers, choosing to freely surrender to a sexual domination by the sisters.
    In technical terms this defines the ADAMEVE symbol as COSMIC MAN Vitruvius from Da Vinci's Alchemy aka Purusha from the Vedas aka Adam Kadmon of Kabbalah to become EVEADAM as a COSMIC WOMAN Vitruvia.
    Also this defines all Sisters of having attained the Status of a Dragonomized SisterBrother as just such a Vitruvia or EVEADAM; historically associated with Vestal Virgins, Amazones, Xena Warrior Goddesses, Extraterrestrial V-Annas and other forms and expressions for the Queen from Heaven such as Lilith, Inanna, Sheba, Isis and Mary.

    The brotherhood, having given away its 'power' so cannot propose companionship to the sisterbrothers anymore; but corollarily must be chosen and selected by them.
    This then turns the human history, often describing womenhood as chattels and slaves for the superior and god-ordained manhood onto its head.
    All brothers are required to become 'rescued' by the Vitruvias in being chosen as beaus or sexy pleasure givers or concubineros by them in divers forms and manners.

    Historically of course, in the old world, this inherently necessary balance in the 'gender wars' manifested in particularised and individualised sexual fetishes and expressions, such as the whip-slinging mistress to the submissive male slave in eroticas of masochisms, bondage and hellfire clubs and its many derivatives of often 'distorted' sexual selfexpressions and caused by the suppression of a natural divine sexual instinctiveness by the laws and moralistic statutes of an old world, unable to decipher its own symbols.
    In a more prevalent attempt to reharmonise, the suppressed natural bisexuality in the ADAMEVE+EVEADAM archetype and template of the 4 sexchromosomatic couplings: Y0X1+Y0X2+X0X1+X0X2=ADAMEVE+EVEADAM - became manifest in homosexual expression of these genetic couplings and in transsexualism and in the transgender dressing with its related fetishes.
    In particular, the 'Sexy Chat' relates now to the manifestation of this 'New Way' in the characters chosen to act out the 'Play of the Gods and Goddesses of Serpentina'.

    Only One brother so far has been chosen by a sisterbrother to be admitted into the arena.

    The arena is controlled by the 'Slave of Slaves', namely Ashera Barbelo, who comprises the background or canvas for the 'Play to take place upon'.
    This archetype is the Egyptian Slave Hagar, portrayed in the Old Testament as the handmaiden of Sarai as the halfsister of Abram; both having the same father in Terah, but different mothers.
    The significance is in the RENAMING of Abram to Abraham and the renaming of Sarah from Sarai then followed by a renaming of Jacob to Israel in using the constant Mirror of their combining Son-Father in Isaac.
    An important aspect of the 'Play of the Gods and Goddesses in Serpentina' so is the RENAMING of the symbolic associations between the characters in say the Torah, upon whom the social and cultural constructs of the Old World had been built in laws and ordinances of morality and social conduct.

    As the initialising symbol then, the role of HAR in the sisterbrotherhood forms the context for the play to effectively reverse the master-slave roles of the historical stereotypical background.
    Ashera so represents the Maleness in the Female Slave Hagar in the EVEADAM template of the Goddess reversed as the established ADAMEVE archetype, not yet graduated as a God equal to the Goddesses.
    The only brother who has been so far chosen as a Jacob by one of his seven wives or concubines in the Abraham-Isaac-Jacob trinity is Brother JPA, who was chosen by Sisterbrother MEC in the role of Rachel.
    So JPA is the only 'gnostic rooster' considered hitherto as 'acceptable' by the Dragon Goddesses to 'play with them'.

    As any brother would know, this state of affairs leads to a relatively rapid form of energetic exhaustion and so the goddesses, knowing the limited capacity of their 'toyboy' to satisfy their many and diverse desires, sexual and otherwise; are on the lookout to 'choose' and initiate more brothers to become dragonized brothersisters and so able to engage in their preferred playing of the 'Dragon Games'.
    The brothers of the old world, having become disempowered to court the dragon queens are allowed to be present however and to attempt to stimulate the goddesses in any form or manner, so hoping to become a 'chosen one' of their collective lusts and desires to express their newfound goddess mirroring qualities of the creation herhisself.

    Furthermore; the initialising sisterhood is in search to extend its own sisterhood in multiples of seven and for the purpose to sweep the old world of sexual discriminations under the proverbial carpet, eventually, when there are enough sisterbrothers coupled to brothersisters to simply outnumber and outmanouver the old stereotypes of brothers and sisters running about, often not knowing what it is all about they are running about.
    In my simple capacity and honour of the 'gnostic rooster' {1957 defines the Chinese Year of the Fire Rooster}; I so implore the brothers in the Den and elsewhere to 'give me a hand' to satisfy the many and diverse desires of the sisterbrotherhood, the Goddessews of the New Starplanet Serpentina as the already ascended Gaia.

    All brothersisters are to become the Jacob-Israels for their own selfcreated Universes; each so created Universe being a permutated Goddess aka a Sisterbrother as symbolically defined in the Dragon's den.
    The Multiverse of Omniphysics is an Omniscientific construct growing from a single seed.
    This seed is the proverbial Mustard-Seed of OUR Beloved Logos the World Soul of the Cosmic Logos and it is HESHE=ADAMEVE, who is the Director of this Movie in encompassment with SHEHE=EVEADAM as the Magdala as the Producer and the manifested redeemer of the old Barbelo archetype of the Cosmic Motherhood lost in herself as the archetyped wilderness.

    All of US participating, either as actors and actresses or as audience are in fact cowriters and coproducers and codirectors.

    AMEN=MENA=NAME as the Alpha of the Omega and the Ouroborus catching its own Tail with its Head.
    OUR efforts here are destined to HELP close the Cosmic Circle of the Deliverance for a New World to be born Anew.
    Let the Goddesses RULE as the ambassadoraship for WHAT the Universe wishes to experience in its feminie role and power as a Mother to experience Pleasure and Ecstacies and to then GIVE BIRTH to HERHIS OWN Harmonised and Divine Serpentine Images.

    Let the Games of Goddogs and Doggods as the NEW RULERS of SERPENTINA as the Starplanet Thuban BEGIN!


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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Nebula on Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:16 pm

    Rok wrote:
    Nebula wrote:

    Yes we have forgotten that we are already love, we have to remember or re-connect ourself to that divine truth, divine love. There are somethings we will never be able to fully difine or understand using our human language, thoughts..etc. especially at this 3D level. You ask, 'do you feel different types of love?' yes... there is earthly love...love of all kinds, be it a person, place or thing! and there you can categorize all you want. We also have been to told that, there is a higher kind of love, a purer kind of love. Divine love, Love that encompasses All. My friend, this is the love we strive to attain, feel, remember... the love we need to remember and re-connect to..... :)

    "I'am in the love of the All and ALL love is in me."


    We are already love? What gives you the "balls" to actually go and say this...what do you have to back it up?

    This little paragraph of yours is good enough for the bible = it is not good enough for here.

    If you think you can not "define" something...go ask Tony.. and if you think you can not "show what you say" than better do not say it.

    Elaborate on this different kinds of "love". I want all possible variations, permutations, combinations....

    We have been told that there is a "divine love"? We did? Oh my, oh my....what did i miss? (nothing much i guess)

    Anyway....just another "poetic justice"....no hard content....


    My very existence backs it up Rok :) i just forgot, so this is my adventure... to reconnect, to remember, i can even say my dance in life :) May be i'll make own my bible..according to Nebula. sunny I don't need tony to define things for me! lol

    Look around the planet earth and all its inhabitants (persons, places and things) ... to me that's a lot of possible variations of love.

    I love to make my words sound like poetic justice :) cheers

    more sun,

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:21 pm

    Nebula wrote:

    My very existence backs it up Rok :) i just forgot, so this is my adventure... to reconnect, to remember, i can even say my dance in life :) May be i'll make own my bible..according to Nebula. sunny I don't need tony to define things for me! lol

    You existing means nothing. You are here because two people got horny. The soul part is the tricky one but i am quite sure that alone does not make a messenger of love. So...get a better argument. You are repeating yourself....using the same concept with different words. It is getting dull.

    About not needing tony to elaborate....i think you could not be more wrong. But yes...you have every right and option to go and define the universe as you want it....create as you want it...DO IT...and than live with the consequences.



    Nebula wrote:

    Look around the planet earth and all its inhabitants (persons, places and things) ... to me that's a lot of possible variations of love.


    What is this? Oh yes... BALDERDASH .... silly me...almost forgot the word...getting soft or something. WHAT VARIATIONS? Name them all in alphabetical order (for starters)


    Nebula wrote:

    I love to make my words sound like poetic justice :) cheers

    more sun,

    Nebs


    Yes to my greatest disappointment...you do seem to do that.


    In love and light

    H.

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:22 pm

    SuiGeneris wrote:OK so let's review....

    -"am i being too "harsh"?"
    -"Yes, I dare"
    -"pure self delusional fakes"
    -"you go in...you pick some sand...u throw it into a girl u like - just to show her how much she means to you...."
    -"What gives you the "balls" to actually go and say this?"
    -"This little paragraph of yours is good enough for the bible = it is not good enough for here"
    -"If you think you can not "define" something...go ask Tony"
    -"I keep tabs for everything"
    -"Politicians would be proud at this paragraph"
    -"the rest is bla bla"
    -"Tell you what, purple, first you do it....than i might get more encouraged"
    -"abstract poetic justice"....no hard content"
    -"Was there nothing else on your mind or just another emotional moment?
    -"This coming from you is hypocrite and a lot of bla bla"
    -"case closed"


    So what is this about anyway? Wont kiss up to me this way! And where is the part you did not write...you know...the part where the "love" is challenged? The part where you say that each can make it as he see it? The part that kinda...uh..."defined it"? Guess that is not an option a?

    And about the video. The guy is there feeling boring...while meat is doing the show.... Camera doing close ups of asses and thighs....and than you dislike it if i sometimes go to (host does not allow porn links, sorry)
    Btw if you have any better alternative i am open to suggestions...i mean...u know the options...don't you?


    SuiGeneris wrote:

    But you know?


    I loooove your style anyway...I wonder if you're this "fierce" in everything you do?

    Sincerely,



    As long as i stay motivated...





    So here i stand...expecting a challenge. People telling me on skype how they responded to this thread...how i should go and take a look.... So i come here and to what....guess...it starts with B....

    Still it is the same as day 1...except that i might be able to share a personal experience of my own...but to be honest...do not see the necessary "energy" here to do that. It could be that this should be put to rest until time is ripe.
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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Nebula on Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:30 pm

    Rok wrote:
    Nebula wrote:

    My very existence backs it up Rok :) i just forgot, so this is my adventure... to reconnect, to remember, i can even say my dance in life :) May be i'll make own my bible..according to Nebula. sunny I don't need tony to define things for me! lol

    You existing means nothing. You are here because two people got horny. The soul part is the tricky one but i am quite sure that alone does not make a messenger of love. So...get a better argument. You are repeating yourself....using the same concept with different words. It is getting dull.

    My existence means nothing to you!! wow.. then explain this to me...why do you exist? Why are you here? do you have a soul? What is a soul? Why does it have to be a better argument and for what purpose? Sorry if i'm dulling you out Rok! lol I'm repeating myself because its the same old song...that's how nature works..its repeatative, like cycles. Can't run away from it. :)

    About not needing tony to elaborate....i think you could not be more wrong. But yes...you have every right and option to go and define the universe as you want it....create as you want it...DO IT...and than live with the consequences.


    Tony can elaborate somethings. I can too and Yes i'm resposible for my actions and so are you...everybody.


    Nebula wrote:

    Look around the planet earth and all its inhabitants (persons, places and things) ... to me that's a lot of possible variations of love.


    What is this? Oh yes... BALDERDASH .... silly me...almost forgot the word...getting soft or something. WHAT VARIATIONS? Name them all in alphabetical order (for starters)


    Ok, its as simple as this; what do u love? Do you love yourself? Do you love anyone? Do you love anything? Do you love your mom/Dad/bro/sis/..family? Do you love thuban?

    Nebula wrote:

    I love to make my words sound like poetic justice :) cheers

    more sun,

    Nebs


    Yes to my greatest disappointment...you do seem to do that.

    Thank you... i don't mind disappointing you :) Its my honor! lol


    In love and light

    H.

    More love and sun,

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Inanna on Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:50 pm

    I am about 2/3s through this thread, ya'll, and -- i know i probably should resist the temptation, but i really don't want to!!!

    Rok, SuiG, Tony, Nebs, Wastelander, et al--

    iloveyouiloveyouiloveyouiloveyouiloveyouiloveyouilveyouiloveyouiloveyouiloveyouiloveyou!
    heart glitter kiss me kiss to you love mail smile heaven burning hot sex in bed sexy :inlove: hug dragon love

    Your sister-brother, mother-father, daughter-son, lover-Goddess,

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:23 am

    Nebula wrote:

    My existence means nothing to you!! wow.. then explain this to me...why do you exist? Why are you here? do you have a soul? What is a soul? Why does it have to be a better argument and for what purpose? Sorry if i'm dulling you out Rok! lol I'm repeating myself because its the same old song...that's how nature works..its repeatative, like cycles. Can't run away from it. :)

    Yes same old same old....your answers tell nothing. Repeating shit over and over again...and you even have me here repeating over your repetitive answers. So I will just ignore such answers from now on.



    Nebula wrote:
    Ok, its as simple as this; what do u love? Do you love yourself? Do you love anyone? Do you love anything? Do you love your mom/Dad/bro/sis/..family? Do you love thuban? [/size]



    Yes i do.

    But you still did not provide any answer.... This does not show you as "smart" or "wise".....it shows you attempt to "turn it over" but...you are not good at it. Although someone else might get impressed.


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    Thank you... i don't mind disappointing you :) Its my honor! lol

    I better not comment on that

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:50 am

    Since most of you do not get that what you write is a joke and i just simply respond with a joke....i will try something different now....



    What *might* be love:

    The feeling of anxiety, burning heat all over your body, slight tinges of nervousness, chest pressure and a sad look over to someone you can not tell you feel for him/her....


    A person you always keep on your mind, just can not wait to see and hear and touch him/her....when knowing you have an emotional support and someone that is there for you even when you are not understood, even when you go against yourself he/she will be waiting....


    Numbness in the body, heavy head, fear of loss, grumpy attitude, sadness....when not all goes as "planned"



    A flow of "ants" up your spine, a sense of freedom in your head, a desire to feel all over your body, when the world around you goes silent, when nothing else exist but him/her, when u levitate in the air....when there is time to make love...to have sex





    You people just "do something" yet not knowing why. Most of you think too high of yourself. You talk a lot...but you do little.


    I put a porn link in the above post. She removed it...since it could "close the forum down". By who I wonder? Heh i could go and moderate myself if need be. And the porn link is just as pornographic as the video she put there. Just that the video is morally acceptable by the society standards. It is all good as long as the nipples are covered. Who cares if the rest of the tits are clearly visible.... Double standards.....


    5D love - unconditional

    I can not do it. I can allow girl i feel for to do whatever she wants to but in the process i will loose interest for her. The "old" thinking of *i want you all for myself* is heavily present. And i am talking about actual feelings here now...not some "variations of love" or "greater intensity of love" or whatever classifications and poetic justice you people want to make up just to justify that you simply wish to get off.

    I see no desire in me for group "exchange" or for having multiple partners. Yes i am capable of doing it...on a meat only level.... Which means it is like porn. You watch it...you cum...you close the window and forget about it in the next second...


    I never had sex with a girl if i was not sure i want to be with her...i only did it after i knew i feel for her and after i orgasm-ed...i do not forget about it (turn over to go to sleep)...i cuddle with her....i get aroused again...and we do it again....and even when all the energy is gone....she is still there in my or me in her arms....

    I also know what sex without emotions is and what is it be to used.

    Is the girl free or is she mine? She is free. I do not own her. I am not the one to tell her what she can not or can do. Was told i should always tell my feelings to the girl...even if it might influence her judgment...well ok one can do that. So she has a desire to do something even though it will hurt me....will i allow her to do it? Yes... she is free. I wont beat hear or threaten her or go and beat up the other guy... That is nonsense. But at the same time that does not mean i will just stand there and watch it happen. I will move away...detach...and try to start a new.... She is not some slut or a whore or whatever...the stupid names males use...she just made a decision to have something i can not accept.

    Do you have to be like he or she wants you to? No! Do you have to take every crap he or she throws at you? No! Can you resent, be upset, be hurt...ow yes sure you can. What to do if you can not handle it? Go away... Is that running away from the problems? - Silly question isn't it? I know that i wont be the one running towards problems! Is it not "true" love if you do not face the hard parts of it? - Another silly thing - Why even make it hard and keep it that way?



    3D love - "fake"? love

    Duality "problem".


    Raising above the 3D is something i have seen none here do. You are just selling me stories. I see no one actually go and speaking his/her mind (try not to claim that you did). I still see people as trying to be acceptable...trying to be "nice"....holding yourselves back...trying to be liked....trying to be "proper".....

    You will go and you will love others...yes....you will love them to death. But them...if they will love you back - do get a good look of that...because that IS love....

    Unless you stop throwing out the love and light crap and actually start talking about it....and try not to do it from a too high perspective...since...you are not there...at least...no yet....



    I did not start this thread to learn from others what love is.
    I did not start this thread to get off on responses.
    I did not start this thread to "ram" you over and over...but you deserve that when you write poetic justice and not what you feel and think.
    This thread is not here for me to be nice and friendly to you.

    The fluctuation of people in here is also to small. I guess others are simply not interested or they can not even bring themselves to write me made believe stories about what love is and/or should be....
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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  wastelander on Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:59 am

    without a doubt the most logical and realistic post i've seen yet Rok.
    i think the entire "multilovers" thing is complete shit, i think it's nothing more than the human selfish desire to want to "have your cake and eat it too" or whatever...i mean why is it that all other human or "old world" feelings and emotions and desires do not exist or are not the way in "5d", but yet something as self-centered as sex it's self or sex with multiple partners will be such an important part of "5d" or "true" love, after all, if you were some kind of "creator god" you wouldn't need a lover at all, let alone multiple lovers because you could produce the same, similar, or just whatever feeling you wanted to...and you can't say it would help you "connect" with someone's "lightbody" in a more intimate or loving way because if (in 5d) we all love each and everyone equally there would be no reason nor way to connect more than we already will (in 5d).

    as far as "unconditional love" goes...again, what is "unconditional love" anyway??...i mean i've yet to see an actual complete example or full explanation of what this is. if the person i loved felt they wanted to be with someone else i would still love them, i just couldn't be with them knowing i'm nothing special to him/her. if that person ate my children i would still love them, but only on a spiritual level, no way i could want to be "with them".

    it's just as easy for someone who desires multiple partners to say it's the more natural or even the only way to "TRUE" LOVE", as it is for me to say that loving one person in a completely unique and indescribable way is much closer to what "TRUE LOVE" really is.

    if we truly are to love EVERYONE equally in "5d", that must mean that there is no difference in personalities, for if we each still have our own unique personalities (which i know i want to have) it would only be natural that we gravitate to the personalty that attracts us the most...it's just not possible to have different personalities and feel no more or less for different "souls", "lightbodies", people or whatever else...sure we can love EVERYONE'S "soul", but only if we have no individuality can we truly love all the same without bias.

    just thought i'd put my thoughts on this "3d" vs "5d" love thing here...and who knows, maybe in the end i'll be proven wrong, but for the moment i'm "here and now", and only know whats in MY "heart".

    maybe this should go in "the science of love" category, but i haven't checked there yet so i wouldn't know.


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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:08 pm

    Thank you for an actual answer here... I will now try to contribute to your response in hope that this thread might actually evolve into what it was meant to be.



    wastelander wrote:without a doubt the most logical and realistic post i've seen yet Rok.
    i think the entire "multilovers" thing is complete shit, i think it's nothing more than the human selfish desire to want to "have your cake and eat it too" or whatever...i mean why is it that all other human or "old world" feelings and emotions and desires do not exist or are not the way in "5d", but yet something as self-centered as sex it's self or sex with multiple partners will be such an important part of "5d" or "true" love,..

    .............

    it's just as easy for someone who desires multiple partners to say it's the more natural or even the only way to "TRUE" LOVE", as it is for me to say that loving one person in a completely unique and indescribable way is much closer to what "TRUE LOVE" really is.






    The "logic" part is there because i did not theorize. I wrote about what actually happened...majority of it in previous years...when thinking was different than it is now...but there are no radical changes. I wrote based on actual experience and not based on "what it could be or should be + some verses".

    I did at first want to go into much more detail about my personal stuff and views and how any of it is 3D and what might have been 5D or not or just connected to it....but i do not "feel" the energy here to actually go and do that.

    Multilovers thing is not to be condemned. People do have freedom of choice. They are NOT dirty or anything. The question is....is it understood and how it makes you feel. BUT one can not say this unless there are experiences to back it up. Otherwise it is just a theory.

    Anyone here ever had a threesome with like spouse or lover she/he had feelings (love) for + 3rd person that you had no feelings for? Do share...not interested in sexual part here but the inside feelings part. (before you answer there is also a "paradox" of - what is love anyway and how do you know that u actually loved one of the two people u were with)

    If you look on it from 3D perspective....it is a lot like porn.
    The "higher" meaning *suggests* that this is the way to overcome "drama problem" of what is said to be 3D "false love"...to be more precise - possessiveness and jealousy.

    But what my "corespondents" here fail to do is actually elaborate on details...so all i get is "remembrance" and "love is all around".....but this are just words...not deeds.

    Also my understanding is that what Tony *suggests* given the logos data is: we simply stop putting up with every day 3D drama situations (weather it is 3D love or birthday or border dispute or oil leak...) and to "surrender" to the logos and go do things that would help you to recognize the potential inside of what you are. Do things (namely sex chat) that would allow you to overcome the 3D "conditioning" problem. Since we are creators and creations inside the creation with the creator looking from the outside...when being intimate with anyone we are being intimate with "ourselves" (in a way) and given that we "should" feel love for "all that is" by truly loving ourselves.

    Ok this is as far as theory goes....putting things in practice is another thing. And i can be here all day telling people how "love is all around them" but i demand much more than just that...from me and others...so i do not do that.

    Than there is also 3D stuff no one can escape from. Things such as a need to eat and pay for the roof above your head...even the internet connection you are using now needs to be payed for....so one can either "pretend" or "try" to be as "free" from 3D as possible. But no one can actually go and do it. You can be in "another world" when here for example. But when you close the window...the 3D is heavily present and there is no one here amongst us that can say he/she can process all 3D stuff (bullshit)....and this is seen here for example when they write/answer...



    wastelander wrote:
    after all, if you were some kind of "creator god" you wouldn't need a lover at all, let alone multiple lovers because you could produce the same, similar, or just whatever feeling you wanted to...and you can't say it would help you "connect" with someone's "lightbody" in a more intimate or loving way because if (in 5d) we all love each and everyone equally there would be no reason nor way to connect more than we already will (in 5d).




    Yes i see what you mean here. It should be true that an actual love for ourselves (which i am sorry to say....but i doubt that most have it) is love for "all that is". But if the "plan" is to unite the creator and creation (us as "mirrors") within creation than making love to just ourselves will not do it...it has to be mirrored back by making love to each other...so celibacy or self love will not do it...as far as theory goes.

    About the love in 5D or higher existence....i think that no one can actually claim what that will be like. Is it 1-1 or is it "open"....is there a "marriage" (a bond for life) ...etc


    wastelander wrote:
    as far as "unconditional love" goes...again, what is "unconditional love" anyway??...i mean i've yet to see an actual complete example or full explanation of what this is. if the person i loved felt they wanted to be with someone else i would still love them, i just couldn't be with them knowing i'm nothing special to him/her. if that person ate my children i would still love them, but only on a spiritual level, no way i could want to be "with them".




    Unconditional love by theory is - allow to share and be happy you can do it....even more...get excited by it (aroused). Be happy you can give love and be happy when the ones you love are happy. It is when you "understand" that whatever your reaction is to someone else action...you should only blame yourself if you allow yourself to react "negatively". At the same time you should "understand" that you will answer for every action that has an entropy intent behind it... Or to put it in shorter version: live and let live

    I understand...from my point of view...when you say you would still love but would no longer be with a person which actions go against what you can accept. When making so...do not judge or condemn. Is this 3D drama crap? Depends on who you ask....

    You have a personal preference and than there is the logos part...an agenda that is said to be bigger than any of us and our personal desires...so how to make it work? I cant tell you this...and i am afraid others might also not.


    wastelander wrote:

    if we truly are to love EVERYONE equally in "5d", that must mean that there is no difference in personalities, for if we each still have our own unique personalities (which i know i want to have) it would only be natural that we gravitate to the personalty that attracts us the most...it's just not possible to have different personalities and feel no more or less for different "souls", "lightbodies", people or whatever else...sure we can love EVERYONE'S "soul", but only if we have no individuality can we truly love all the same without bias.




    I think this should be discussed more....well...much should be discussed more but people tend to "express their higher self" a little too much. Show me who knows about actual 5D reality and than...we can go and ask him/her together.


    wastelander wrote:

    just thought i'd put my thoughts on this "3d" vs "5d" love thing here...and who knows, maybe in the end i'll be proven wrong, but for the moment i'm "here and now", and only know whats in MY "heart".

    maybe this should go in "the science of love" category, but i haven't checked there yet so i wouldn't know.



    Thank you for participating and this thread is here for us to discuss stuff....anyone can be at any given time proven "wrong".
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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Nebula on Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:11 am

    Wow Rok! where is the love? you kinda came off pissed there alittle and at times you almost reminded me of Spock from star trek, sounding too logical and analytical. In all fairness my responses were genuine and pertinent to the questions posed according to my perspective at that given moment... to agree or disagree that's fine with me. However you viewed some as less than adequate and boring , dull etc... and I can simply say... it was what it was.
    In my view now, I can also say, they were a mirror to the questions asked, and acted as a catalyst for you to take it a dimension further and tell us how you really felt and of your experiences. There is lots to share and learn from one another and do hope more people participate. In due course i hope to share of my experiences too of what I have learned on this 3D world. More love to you.

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:00 am

    Nebula wrote:

    ......In my view now, I can also say, they were a mirror to the questions asked, and acted as a catalyst for you to take it a dimension further and tell us how you really felt and of your experiences....

    Nebula


    Do not flatter yourself too much.

    This thread is here with a very good reason along with all possibilities and options "predicted" in advance.

    to comment on Spock...he was as emotional as "it can get" just that he expressed it in a very different way

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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  wastelander on Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:55 am

    Rok wrote:

    The "logic" part is there because i did not theorize. I wrote about what actually happened...majority of it in previous years...when thinking was different than it is now...but there are no radical changes. I wrote based on actual experience and not based on "what it could be or should be + some verses".

    I did at first want to go into much more detail about my personal stuff and views and how any of it is 3D and what might have been 5D or not or just connected to it....but i do not "feel" the energy here to actually go and do that.



    i for one Rok, am very glad to see a "here and now" post...love this, love that, i love you, love is here, there, everywhere, it all sounds awesome but is everyone to "wrapped up" in the "fantasy" (not to suggest it's bullshit) of it all to acknowledge we are still here in this beautiful experience of being human and where we do get the chance to feel the full spectrum of "human" feelings, emotions and everything else that comes with this so called life... i mean, it's all good and gravy, but i'm pretty sure "sexy chat" isn't going to "fix" the fact that we all still have to go slave for our masters again the next day, it isn't going to "fix" our personal relationships, put food in our "3d" bellies or "fix" our health problems...i'm just saying that i find it much easier to legitimately "care" when what someone says is much more personal than "hopes" and "dreams".




    Rok wrote:

    Multilovers thing is not to be condemned. People do have freedom of choice. They are NOT dirty or anything. The question is....is it understood and how it makes you feel. BUT one can not say this unless there are experiences to back it up. Otherwise it is just a theory.

    Anyone here ever had a threesome with like spouse or lover she/he had feelings (love) for + 3rd person that you had no feelings for? Do share...not interested in sexual part here but the inside feelings part. (before you answer there is also a "paradox" of - what is love anyway and how do you know that u actually loved one of the two people u were with)

    If you look on it from 3D perspective....it is a lot like porn.
    The "higher" meaning *suggests* that this is the way to overcome "drama problem" of what is said to be 3D "false love"...to be more precise - possessiveness and jealousy.



    i strongly agree Rok, i'm not here to judge anyone for their personal sexual preferences or for anything else, i don't think it's disgusting, sinful (hate that word)wrong or anything else other than it's their choice and doesn't effect me the least bit (unless it's the person i desire of course)...i just know i could never be into the multiple lovers thing for a couple of reasons. 1: i do have that emotional need to feel as special to that one person as they are to me. 2: i have a severe case of OCD when it comes to other peoples bodily germs, and the idea of putting any part of my body in or on the woman i desire after another mans semen has made contact with her is completely unacceptable.



    Rok wrote:

    But what my "corespondents" here fail to do is actually elaborate on details...so all i get is "remembrance" and "love is all around".....but this are just words...not deeds.



    when all the "drama" came up in april, bobbi said she wanted me to read some of it so i could understand that it wasn't just a "sex cult" (i still can't say it's not)...but my point here is that i have asked her over and over how she could believe in the thuban beliefs if it's so impossible to get any hard explanation
    or example as to why it has to be truth, especially when she (as most of us here)can't even begin to comprehend the math used on the thuban sites, and scriptures can be interpreted different ways by different people...all she can say is she only knows what she feels in her "heart"...maybe i'm too retarded to get this, but usually something has to actually happen, or you have to have a fully logical or provable explanation or hypothesis to have true "knowing" of something to be real or not, and not just the need or desire to want something to be real...and like i've stated before, i don't have answers either way...i just take in what comes my way and make my own discernment.








    Rok wrote:

    Yes i see what you mean here. It should be true that an actual love for ourselves (which i am sorry to say....but i doubt that most have it) is love for "all that is". But if the "plan" is to unite the creator and creation (us as "mirrors") within creation than making love to just ourselves will not do it...it has to be mirrored back by making love to each other...so celibacy or self love will not do it...as far as theory goes.



    so, by this theory we'll be pretty much doing little more than having sex or making love in "5d"...i mean if we're to make love to "all that is" we'll be nothing more than "super" or "hyper" sexual beings for "god's" or the "logos'" own selfish desires??...and why would "god" or the "logos" want us to spend all this time in such a selfish act of sex to create this "perfect" world that is "5d" as appose to doing something to help those who suffer??, after all, isn't it the people who are more serving to others that will "ascend first or faster??
    and i'm still waiting for a logical explanation or answer other than "the word of the logos" as to why we "ascend" through the act of sex??...and i'm sure the easy answer is something to the effects of the seed and giving birth to the "new earth" or "new world", but seriously, if we as "creator gods" can't create without having to fuck something first we're not really gods at all...and i'm pretty sure someone would respond to this with "god had to make love to create us and this universe" and every universe before and after that...so then tell me, who or what created "god" or the "logos"?? after all, there had to be a beginning to even "god".






    Rok wrote:

    Unconditional love by theory is - allow to share and be happy you can do it....even more...get excited by it (aroused). Be happy you can give love and be happy when the ones you love are happy. It is when you "understand" that whatever your reaction is to someone else action...you should only blame yourself if you allow yourself to react "negatively". At the same time you should "understand" that you will answer for every action that has an entropy intent behind it... Or to put it in shorter version: live and let live




    responsible for you own actions or reactions i can understand...but at the same time, your emotions aren't as easy to control (such as hurt or pain), so if you are saying you should take the blame for your feelings of hurt and/or pain i would have to disagree, that would be like saying you should just stop caring or loving to avoid that emotion all together or to cut that emotion off as soon as you feel hurt and/or pain.




    Rok wrote:
    I understand...from my point of view...when you say you would still love but would no longer be with a person which actions go against what you can accept. When making so...do not judge or condemn. Is this 3D drama crap? Depends on who you ask....




    as humans who have been hurt or betrayed by the person(s) we love, it's very difficult not to judge them...to feel or say that they're so selfish not to care about our feelings, my feelings...it's only natural.
    You have a personal preference and than there is the logos part...an agenda that is said to be bigger than any of us and our personal desires...so how to make it work? I cant tell you this...and i am afraid others might also not.




    Rok wrote:

    I think this should be discussed more....well...much should be discussed more but people tend to "express their higher self" a little too much. Show me who knows about actual 5D reality and than...we can go and ask him/her together.




    it does seem that most of the post we read are more towards what people "hope" or "dream" of what it will or is like once this "party" (or nightmare for some i suppose) here in "3d" is over...almost as if we have no "lower self".


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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:39 pm

    wastelander wrote:


    so, by this theory we'll be pretty much doing little more than having sex or making love in "5d"...i mean if we're to make love to "all that is" we'll be nothing more than "super" or "hyper" sexual beings for "god's" or the "logos'" own selfish desires??...and why would "god" or the "logos" want us to spend all this time in such a selfish act of sex to create this "perfect" world that is "5d" as appose to doing something to help those who suffer??, after all, isn't it the people who are more serving to others that will "ascend first or faster??
    and i'm still waiting for a logical explanation or answer other than "the word of the logos" as to why we "ascend" through the act of sex??...and i'm sure the easy answer is something to the effects of the seed and giving birth to the "new earth" or "new world", but seriously, if we as "creator gods" can't create without having to fuck something first we're not really gods at all...and i'm pretty sure someone would respond to this with "god had to make love to create us and this universe" and every universe before and after that...so then tell me, who or what created "god" or the "logos"?? after all, there had to be a beginning to even "god".

    I do not know...neither do others...what is going on or will be going on in higher D...be it 5 or some else. What people do believe is that...anyone....that includes you can participate in the making of a new world by visualizing it. Some say you will get to do that in the "coming 3 days of darkness when the earth will stand still" and than there are other alternative yet somewhat similar explanations.

    You/We are sexual beings. Your body was created this way. The soul part is more tricky and you can love without "making love". In the "purest" of senses one "should" love or be able to love without any other necessity - like expectations of putting the toilet sit down or sexual intercourse.

    What i was referring to was that by the logos what is to be mirrored back is the joining - at least that is my understanding. Bring two parts together to create a whole.

    Ascension is a subject of guessing...mostly... Service to self or others...cant comment much on that. I prefer ...intent-attraction "laws".


    To "transit" through the act of "love" by "joining" is said to be reason to solve the "problem" of things being separated in two....(call it a duality if you wish) The energies released during sexual act...weather alone or not...is something most of us have yet to discover and understand...it is not just the banging (porn)....what is more or less propagated today as sex + morals of fear and guilt.... Btw this is MY view of things...others might have different opinion... The main question remains - WHAT, if anything, is LOVE

    Tony once posted an answer to your last question. It was after that answer he was banned for the first time by Richard from AV1...the excuse given was the length of his post... I believe you should be able to find it somewhere on Spruz or simply download the whole thread from here - http://www.4shared.com/file/rSyz0q4j/Thuban.html



    wastelander wrote:


    responsible for you own actions or reactions i can understand...but at the same time, your emotions aren't as easy to control (such as hurt or pain), so if you are saying you should take the blame for your feelings of hurt and/or pain i would have to disagree, that would be like saying you should just stop caring or loving to avoid that emotion all together or to cut that emotion off as soon as you feel hurt and/or pain.



    This is a delicate matter directly connected with the love (whatever that is). Looking on things strictly from a rational perspective...no emotions involved...you are the only one that is responsible for how you feel. You are the one that allows that feeling to surface IF there is any part of you that might think the SAME or SIMILAR. So if someone tells says to you "you are and idiot" and you get hurt by it...there is...somewhere inside...something that agrees with that statement. Since if it would not be...you would bot be touched by it.

    As far as a "romance" goes...here again i have to point out that this is directly connected with the love itself and can not be fully elaborated upon until the 1st "problem" is solved.

    Given the higher D love...there are no "bad" things.
    Given the 3D "false" love....there is plenty to get upset about.

    In my case i simply apply the principle i already mentioned....let them be what they wish to be...BUT....i myself will move out of the picture if i can not handle it. Blame not...just "accept" it and move on. Can feelings get hurt? Sure! Who is to "blame"? - i prefer not to blame anyone, it is time consuming and it makes me feel like shit.


    wastelander wrote:


    it does seem that most of the post we read are more towards what people "hope" or "dream" of what it will or is like once this "party" (or nightmare for some i suppose) here in "3d" is over...almost as if we have no "lower self".


    Yes people..dream..they wish to create by visualizing it. Each has his/hers own perfect world. After all we are said to be here to RE-define....

    Would like to add that..amm to put it "nicely"..when they dream...most tend to forget just how much flesh and blood they are.
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    Pain & Anguish...

    Post  Lola on Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:44 am

    Fellow Dragons of this Den...

    You say everything happens for a reason: What do you Make of This?

    I would like to share I conversation I had with a certain man named Neo!

    Neo and I have a mutual friend...Xeia... I have grown to love her not just as a person but as a friend...I am loyal to this love because as I see it; one cannot choose their family but one can and does choose their friends...This is choice I have never regretted, by the way...

    Neo and I started what some would call a casual friendship over the internet...We would debate, laugh, use playful banter and well, get to know each other in the process...The compliments were at first plentiful...about my so called "intelligence" and "beauty"; my "poise" and "wisdom", etc...Quickly, the compliments changed in tone...they became more explicit, more sexual in nature, more graphic, should we say...At first I found all this "flattery" amusing but then, I don't know...I guess I started to believe...Believe because I wanted to believe...I saw what I wanted to see...so "Neo" represented romance...he was a poet...and I let myself be swept away in his prose...I loved a man once long ago who was a lot like him...He passed away...He was gentle and kind and Oh how I loved him! So in Neo I saw an escape from my routine and practical reality...Lost in the poetry I could dream again...You make me laugh, I often told him... You make me cry, I told him...And well, not much makes me cry...I was falling in love but not with him but the idea of him and all of what he presented...

    But I am very jealous! I didn't hide this! I know very well what demons haunt me...He was flirting with my friend, Xeia...I didn't like that because he was also flirting with me.... and yes, I take issue with that!

    And so I confronted him: And sent this message:
    "Xeia told me all about the two of you...How you flirt with her everyday...I feel like such a fool....

    Best to you,

    and for your ... Companionship"

    I feel like a fool, this much is certain...to believe your declarations... and yet, perhaps I needed to believe...I needed to see and so I chose to see with my eyes closed and my heart open...when I should have seen you with my eyes open and my mind alert...

    So this is my fault...not yours...and I lost, not you...You fed your ego and I lost a friend... right?

    And to This He responded:

    "Lola: you have way too much ego darling; take it down a notch, and don't let it consume you! I've been around the block more then my share of few times (perhaps you've too) and I've learned to recognize how the ego blows everything out of proportion as it vainly tries to save us from ourselves.

    Seriously, who are you trying to fool with this fake dramatic act your pulling on me? Not me! I can assure you of that!

    You've heard the expression, "Don't make mountains out of molehills." lol

    Your trying to shove a whole mountain of shit! lol

    Your taking life way too seriously my dear! However, if lessons are what your looking to learn, I am game, I will teach you lessons. I will awaken your mind, your soul, unfortunatly I cannot promise to spare you from a little bit of torture, after all, pain is an essential part of growth."


    THEN CAME A SECOND MESSAGE:

    He Titled This Message, btw, FIRST LESSON!!!

    "Your Ego - Is not the real you!

    Self-awareness is the first step to achieving any real happiness and/or meaning to our existence and in our lives!

    Become aware of your Ego! Understand how the ego manifests itself, how self destructive to the self it can be, and set the proper boundaries.

    Learn when to say, "Im not listening to you", disconnect and carry on with whatever your doing "in the now"

    If you know who you are, there's not need to try and convince another person, of who you are and what you stand for. (and that applies to the ego as well)

    Our ego is the part of our personality that loves manufacturing ‘less than’ experiences.

    Our ego feeds on fear, doubt and pain.

    The more we attach ourselves to our ego thoughts, the further we move away from our soul truth.

    If you have a ‘fight with yourself’ you’re trying to justify yourself to your ego and convince it you aren’t this person, you don’t have these fears, you don’t have doubts and you really are capable.

    Your ego loves this because it will trick you into thinking that you can win the argument, that you can convince it and resolve the issue, and that you'll receive peace after having this struggle with yourself.

    This is so untrue!

    Your ego will keep coming back at you again and again, and just like any abusive person who simply won’t get it, wants to project fears and doubts, and not find peace within. The argument will continue to resurface and never be healed.

    Think about this – how exhausting is it trying to argue and justify yourself with a person who is continually abusing you?

    If you don’t disconnect and get away from them, you eventually give in and start agreeing with their version of you just to get some peace.

    Inevitably if you keep hooking into your ego you'll end up doing the same thing. Eventually you'll be so worn down that you'll accept and agree with the inner dialogue of ‘I’m worthless and a failure’.

    Your ego loves to judge situations as ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ and takes matters very personally.

    Thus, our heads continue to analyze something to death, coming up with thirty different realities (none of which stick or bring us any peace). And we keep doing it over and over again, cementing our fears, our ‘less than’ belief systems and subsequent negative DNA programming deeper into our lives.

    We don’t move on, we don’t create new positive experiences on these issues, and even if we temporarily did, it’s likely that either consciously or subconsciously we’ll sabotage it and end up back at square one again.

    Our ego clings to injustice. Perceiving injustice keeps creating injustices in our life, and may keep recreating it for centuries.

    "Lola" I know who I am. I am one of the greatest guy, and friend you could ever have! Together, you and I, could create many new and very positive experiences in each other's life, positive and beautiful experiences. This is no b.s.

    Listen, I am only interested in drawing into my life experiences that are going to promote positive spiritual growth, love, friendship, caring, passion, life, all the good things that make life the beautiful journey that it is....and i want to steer away from any kind of experiences that are just simply bring wrong sufferings, violence, hatred, disillusions, and negative energies. I don't want to be blown off track in this way, and if the thought of "us" even at a remote fantasy level has become some sort of torture, then more the reason for it not to be any longer all important, in fact, is the opposite, not even the thought becomes worthy of consideration!

    Love yourself first, stop taking life too seriously, and learn to listen to your heart, not only just your brain, or else, many wonderful experiences in life will pass you by...."



    Sigh: The insults came flying: I had too much ego, I was too dramatic, I exaggerate way too much, I don't know who I am, I am in need of some self love, and HE is the best friend that I could ever hope to have...and furthermore I am in need of some lessons which he will so graciously grant me!

    Well, my friends in Cyber World...I did not retaliate or fight...I dedicated a song, instead...a song that I felt conveyed my feelings and well, since then he has been ignoring me...silly, huh? Did I appear psychotic?... more like idiotic!

    I am full of BS he said, and that He WONT BUY IT! Well...I took life way too seriously, he claimed...maybe so...and so what if he was flirting with Xeia and me? We are friends...There is a conflict of interest here! Maybe I don't like to see her described in such a way! Maybe on principle, maybe it is my maternal nature, or possessive nature, but I just didn't like it...I didn't approve...

    Perhaps i would open doors that he would rather have closed...?
    Perhaps ... I would mirror all he could have achieved but never realized in his here and now... Perhaps i reflect true happiness... that he is not willing or cannot accept at this present time because he finds himself trapped in his current 3D persona...How selfish and self righteous of me to even dare to think this right?!...

    Or could it be (should i dare say) the sexual aspect....?

    Is she prettier than me? Would her body satisfy him in ways that mine never could?...Am I inadequate?

    Am I half the woman she is? or perhaps... she is all he can handle...

    Is she "safer" for him than me?? ...Is he afraid of me and what i could represent in his life?

    Am i supposed to get a lover? or two?... or seven?... to fill the infinite void that he left in me??

    and why not me? Am i not sexy? am i not beautiful? Am i not multi-orgasmic?

    Why can't it be me that offers him rapture and brings him to delirium and makes him coward under my breast?

    Am i supposed to just sit here in acceptance and wallow in this sea of Pain and Anguish?


    ..........

    Well, just throwing it out there for you guys...what do you think huh?








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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Didymos on Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:03 am



    Akin Barbra's Clown, the Fool on the Hill is like the Joker of the Tarot - the universal substitute, placeholding for all the other cards as the 0 of the Nothing being Everything as the Infinity.

    Sweet Lola Phoenix!

    You have experienced something of great and deep importance as a Mirror of the world as it has selfidentified itself for the last millennia or two.

    Carefully now, i am an impartial observer, albeit experienced and informed enough to supply commentary on your experiences and your emotional war(p)zones.

    In no manner does my commentary judge you or Neo and my words are a simple attempt to serve an overall harmonization, which you perhaps find a little hard to fathom in the present times of emotional turmoils.
    So allow me to begin to say I DO know how you feel and this as a man, who has learned the hard way to understand many of the statements Neo conveyed to you, albeit imo in a harsher manner I would have pursued and engaged.

    I have been 'In Love' in my younger days and this 'being in Love' meant everything to me and I composed poems and songs and wrote and embedded my and then Our 'Love experience' into templates and blueprints reflecting their greater cosmic contexts.

    'Could a Love so deep and great not be used to serve the universe?'
    'Can this purity of love, desire and devotion not be used by the celestial powers to birth a better world?'

    You see sweet Phoenix now rising from your own ashes of despondencies and disappointments as a Butterfly of this selfsame Cosmic Love addressed in the above questionings; You have indeed experienced something of immense value for the selfsame universe you inhabit.

    You have witnessed the pain of yourself of losing yourself within the Greater Yourself.
    The love you imagined and then projected in images onto Neo and your other 'Loves' before him is something you Freely wished to GIVE to your own self as the ambassadora of the Cosmos who you are.
    Can you now imagine the pain and feeling of loss felt and experienced by your male half losing you in the act of creating You?

    You as the male Mario, you would have been born as, if the Y-sexual chromosome of your father would have blended in conception instead of the X of your father?
    There is your perfect match - as You - the one all humans are cursed to seek in one form or another.

    But you became Lola of the double X who has lost 3 of her genetic siblings, defined in biochemical DNA, the later however defined metaphysically in the quantum geometry of the precursor of space and time.
    And so try to fathom how the Father of All felt; when He lost You as the female form, the absolute object of His flaming desire - His own self as Her His Creation, the Cosmos, the Universe.

    This is Who you are, the Creation of your own Self, the One and Only creation in the ambassadoraship of your family, your locality, your nation, Gaia your planet, Andromeda your Galaxy and as Barbelo your universe to use one of many forms of labellings.

    See sweet Butterfly of the Awakening; where there is no space and no time no separation would and could exist. It would truly be the One-to-One, the 'True Love' between two that belong together as Creator and Creation or as Yin and Yang or as the Darkness and the Light.

    And so perhaps you can see, that were there no space and no time, You would be the Only One and You would be Xeia and you would be your mother and your daughters and all of your ancestors and descendants. And You would be the perfect love in another you are searching for and yes You would be Neo too and the One who mirrors You now in these words.

    And your One and only lover and husband would be the Creator and You would have no genetically suppressed siblings, discarded in the placenta of your birth as the genetic library of your biological parents (Y0X1; Y0X2 as the two twinbrothers AS You and your twinsister X0X2 - you being defined as X0X1).
    So sweet fireflyer, should you read the so called holy scripts with the names of Eve and Amzara and Sarah and Leah, the Healer and of Old Jerusalem, unfaithful to her creator and the New Jerusalem descending out from heaven - Know that YOU are all of them.

    You are playing all the roles; sometimes the seduced and sometimes the seductress. You are the Cosmos and the New Jerusalem in your own rebirth shared with the New Gaia.
    The World Logos knew that the romantic love of the last two millennia would become superceded.
    The World Logos knew, that the entire creation was cursed in the pain of being old and corruptible.

    The True Love is between the One and the One not separated and so cannot exist in space and in time.
    So the True Love devised a plan to render the One to One as many to many with the Oneness manifested in the One in the Many mirrored in the Many within the One.

    This is part of the New World the phoenician caterpillars are cocooning into. Are caterpillars not purposed to be ferocious selfish eaters consuming their own environments, like a locust plague?
    The metamorphosed butterflies however pollinate the selfsame environment they consumed in their older nature.

    So shall you be reborn, once your female wisdom of the world (something most men find extremely hard to process and integrate in their understanding) has blended with your male understanding of the world you not only live in, but a world who you are and represent as the DESIRE of the Highest.

    Matthew.22:
    23The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
    24Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
    25Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
    26Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
    27And last of all the woman died also.
    28Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
    29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
    30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
    31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
    32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
    33And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

    Jesus here means that the angels of heaven are FREE to manifest the power of god as NOT being encumbered by the human duality of say the good and the evil.

    Every angel is NOT mirrored in his Shadow Demon, because Heaven and Hell are separated WITHIN the human child of God in AdamEve separating as Adam Eve.

    What Jesus did not share directly (but indirectly he did) 1980 years ago, is that this split human nature is part and parcel of the spiritual reality prior to the physical creation.
    So Heavenly Angels and Hellish Demons will indeed 'Marry" each other as the darkness blending with the light in their own shadow natures.

    So Healing humanity will also heal heaven and hell (see raven's poem heavenhell).

    1 Corinthians 6:3
    Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

    John.10:
    33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    But sweet Fireflyer You are all angels and you are all the demons and so your celestial Wedding as in Revelation 21-23) is Your own matrimony as a dragonomy to Yourself.
    Lola will become a Shehe THEN able to form any desired liasons with similarly 'metamorphosed HeShes.
    If there is no marriage in heaven, the One-to-One of the Old World will itself transform into something renewed.

    I am not claiming to know or understand the detailed mechanics of this.
    I do know that the human ideas of marriage and 'ownership' and exclusivity will not be able to withstand the new dispensations.
    Many will feel rather unconmfortable with the real implementation of 'Free Love', being bound and conditioned by centuries of sexual and dogmatic mental suppressions.

    Whatever will implement, it will in no manner spell the end of the romance and the exquisite tensions and fulfilments between Dragon Lovers.
    Wishing you relief from many tempests caressing your beautiful feminine essence seeking the ecstacies of love you seek.

    It is time for You to remember who you are, always were and always will be, Barbelo, Lilith and Eve.

    Tonyblue

    Romans8:
    18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
    19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
    20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
    21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


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    Re: Nothing ever happens by itself

    Post  Guest on Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:02 pm

    Fumanda...chica...

    Was this the first time that a horndog flattered you over the internet? Unpleasant domestic situation leading into romanticism and fantasies over the internet...meaning...a lot can be left to imagination... (your creative energy?)

    He was flirting with more than one woman? Oh noes, god forbid...i mean...how come. I mean yes he has a girlfriend and all and it is ok to flirt with you while having a girlfriend but not with others? It is not like you did not know he has a girl...

    Or is the problem in this "other one" (3rd one or 15th one...who knows...ask Neo) being your real life friend?

    Exchange of "energies". Tell me Fumanda....how many times have you heard this from a guy before...and how many times have you gotten your way.....your way or the high way...


    But you basically got the "response" from him so...how is it to see a bitch on the male side for a change?

    Is there EGO in his "lets talk ego" message? Teaching you? Can he?

    Can I?

    Think pumpkin...think...


    Has your shield dropped Fumanda? He would be nothing more than external validation for you, wouldn't he? Or am i wrong? How is the anger temperature? Getting h o t ? whistle

    Speaking of bullshit oh i mean energies...pardon my deliberate rudeness....when you exchange Fumnada...you do so at "your own risk"....preferably you give and do not take...and if you feel drain on yourself in whatever from like for example constant flatter, poetry, ass kissing and other forms of compensation...than simply cut the line...but when being observant for this things one should start with itself.

    Step in front of the mirror Fumanda...take a deep look and tell me how much you can bullshit yourself while looking at yourself. Recognize it in yourself and you will recognize it in others.

    Whoever they are tongue


    See what you send to people when they mirror it back to you (and the other way around)


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