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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:42 pm

    Lionhawk wrote:
    Greetings Abrax,

    An impressive thread you got going on here. What I like about it, is that it isn't strictly a work of a lazy mind with the copy and paste method. You also seem overly accommodating. Not saying that is bad. But to say it mildly I am slightly confused here as to why at this date and time, the council you are affiliated with has decided to put this information out there.

    Since I am now in the den of a Dragon, with a Dragon with what seems to be of a great heart, I would also like to ask why this is such a familiar place to me? It would seem like I have been in several of these dens and although my memory goes way back, it would also seem this is like business as usual.

    If I know anything about Dragons, it is the swapping of the stories that rarely occur between a Dragon and a human. And yet here you are swapping many stories to many a human.

    Mind you, I haven't come here to disrupt or interrupt your thread here with any malice intent. But forgive my curiosity. In all of my memories, there are many that include Dragons, since the time of Antiquity. Most of those memories are horrific ones. Why the Creator allowed his creations to devour another creation has never been really answered for me since those times.

    I watched humans get sliced and diced by the very claws of your kind. When I say your kind, I mean your kind as in your soul family in Creation. The very family that exists among us today.

    But if I do anything today, in this post, is set something straight that really hasn't been discussed. Not many are even aware of the ramifications of this in this painting, as they may have only read about it, possibly. They have no experience to go by as a reference to even understand such knowledge unless it is conveyed to them as dark or light.

    A Dragon is a Dragon. A Human is a Human. The soul fragments of each have a different matrix. Both are the Creator's creations. Both have had the same kind of road less travel as they both have also degenerated through the ages. There is a time where these two had to be completely separated from each other in the Universe. To the extreme that one was placed in this Universal polarity and the other was placed in it's Universal opposite polarity. For that matter, I don't think this has been written anywhere here on the Planet as it is not privy information. The reason why this was decided was to actually ensure the prospect of soul growth in some sort of progression. The Dragons were on the other side of this Galaxy in the other polarity. A great King was appointed and is still ruling today. Well, since the Dragons were separated from man, they had no one else to slice and dice, so they started slicing and dicing themselves. Factions broke off from the Kingdom and wanted their own Kingdom as it is the quest for power that will drive a Dragon mad. Kind of like giving booze to a Native American. The great King Dragon tried for eons to turn this plight around. But these factions that joined together as one, refuted against the King. So, it was decided that something had to be done, as these Dragons thirst for power, was killing this great kingdom. They were an uncontrollable menace. So they were gathered up and exiled through the center of our galaxy through the Black hole. Some know the rest of the story. The Orion war and so forth to this day in the now.

    I have a speculation. I speculate that this council of yours is seeking favor with the humans at this time because of what is about to happen. You guys have a problem. And right now you are desperate because you know that your end is near. You think your soul group here will be possibly saved if in thinking that you can convince someone to see that you are worthy of saving by now trying to embrace the human faction. Like you are now doing us all a great big favor.

    Let me put this in Black and White instead of Light and Dark. The fact is that your faction of the Dragons were exiled or banished from where you came from. No matter how your council tires to disguise it. And since that time, some of you tried to go back but couldn't. In other words, you saw the light as to what your King was saying, but you already had chosen your fate. It is the original sin that the dark chose to refute the Creator's wishes for all of his creations. Except this time your council and brethren repeated the same mistake with your King. So, to now appear in this date and time as such glorious beings is not going to change the original sin that your kind has perpetrated. And since that time of banishment, look at the karma, your soul group as now compiled. Imagine a pile of dragon dung that can fill up several sectors in this Universe.

    With all of your brilliance and accomplishments that only served to satisfy your thirst for power, you have created your own black hole and it has been fed by the very energy you have fed it. And despite all the crimes against every outpost you have conquered in the quest for that power, you have more or less put the noose around your own necks. Your council's decision to not fully take responsibility by placing another agenda at the foot of the human race, is like getting the switch man ready to pull the switch on your noose floor.

    You seemed to be a young Dragon by Dragon standards and well schooled. It is a shame because some of you have seen the light, but so many of your brethren have not, and you have become well out numbered by your own kind because you chose to see the light as to where they still refuse it. You, yourself might find the Creators grace when all this is said and done. There is a chance for you to save your brethren and one chance only. That chance has to do with your true King. It will not be achieved by your council or any other faction that has separated itself from your soul group that is currently here. I also know your brethren have a watchful on what you are doing here. They have no use for us human folk. Theirs eyes only show contempt for us to the extreme. Like that final look before the kill.

    To make matters worse, in a matter of speaking, if your council and brethren decide to finally negotiate for your soul family's survival, a human has been appointed to assist in that process. The reason for that was to really test your resolve as to your true intentions. There is no more room for the scheming. It is no longer about your entitlement attitude and power. It is about your soul survival, period.

    So I leave with this with you in hopes that you all make sense of this and know that it isn't all as you have so far put it. You left out some crucial things or maybe your own council kept it from you.

    Also if that wasn't enough information for you to be motivated in any direction you choose, I have two more things of intrigue that might get your attention. One, the technology you have been seeking that was once here, that your kind had control of, because you stole it in the first place, is no longer in your possession as you know. Also any persons that you are possibility trying to find that may lead you back to that technology are also not within your council's reach. So you are wasting your time. Tell that to your superiors.

    So, I hope our encounter was an interesting one for you, my Dragon friend. Notice I didn't complicate it with all the dragon dribble. It's complicated enough. And sure you can have me checked out if you like. I would advise that anyway. Spirit Matthew told me that my name is how the Universe knows me. He is a wise soul.

    Namaste'


    Dear Lionhawk!

    Some humans are getting ready to transform into Dragons; a very few are on the brink of doing so (1 in 50,000).
    Most humans are not ready for Dragonhood; yet requiring evolvement and preparations.
    According to your words of personal wisdom above, you are one of the latter humans - not yet ready for Dragonhood.

    Should you search in your caves of your remembrances, then you might find some clues as to where the ancestors of the Dragons come from.
    This should then allow you to revise the histories as you have learned them from second-hand sources.

    Shalom!

    AA

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    Post 1135

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:43 pm

    TRANCOSO wrote:
    So, what about the content of Lionhawk's post?


    Dear Trancoso!

    The PTB are RULED by the Dragon archetype.
    The PTB are unable to access more than 95% of the Cosmic History.
    As Collier says, the Paa Taal (or similar label) have been forgotten in the records as the ancestors of all.
    Those ancestors are rather closely entwined with the concept of the starhumanity as the fourth 'brain halo' evolving from the Reptilian brainstem, the mammalian midbrain and the human cortex.
    This agenda allows recircularisation of the linearity in the Orb of the Ouroborus (Milky Way Mazzaroth or Circle of the Zodiac).

    The content of Lionhawk's reply contains no direct questions to be answered and was answered relative to the consciousness vibrations emitted through the wordings.
    It is in my authority to discern written material within the context and under guidance of the Thuban master templar - the universal Logos.

    In this capacity and authority I choose if and how to reply to unsubstantiated innuendo and preconceived ideas and bias with respect to the History of the Dragons and as found in the archives on Thuban.

    As most can ascertain, I DO answer direct questions in all cases, except in oversight or when these questions are intended to cause strife and dissonance or are what is labelled as ad hominem.

    AA

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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:47 pm

    Malletzky wrote:
    What a powerfull concept this is!

    May I assume that we're not only supposed to not only find the way back home to the creator, but more then this, that we're primarly supposed to 'learn' the creation itself while finding the way back???

    If so...it really does matters to find out that 'going back home'...or the 'second comming'...must happen from inside-out and not visa versa!

    with respect
    malletzky


    You are BOTH, shard of the creator and shard of the creation simltaneously malletzky.
    And you seem to have understood one of the 'hidden data' (the 5% the PTB have not yet discerned relative to their data base) rather well.

    The symbolism of the eucharist is THE MOST POTENT archetype for the human-starhuman transformation.
    It's the real thing and is being 'synthesized' by the PTB in 'implants' and such things. It is inside-out and not outside-in.

    The Cosmic Archetypology RULES the Cosmos.
    The reconfiguration of Gaia so requires reconfiguration of the entire cosmic structure.
    This has been the agenda of all, PTB and ETs all along.
    Not many know the details, but many have hints and indicators as to what those details entail - especially the echeloners at the top of the PTB pyramid.

    AA

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    The Trouble "Makers"

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:02 pm

    Lionhawk wrote:
    Well, well, my dear Dragon. Nice try. Brushing it off your back with a brush called arrogance. To be expected in the first round between us. For that matter I think you have one hell of a sense of humor and you might consider the comedy circuit, because when I read your response, you made me laugh and I can only hope that my laugh wasn't an annoying echo in your den.

    Dragon-hood. Now that is by definition a confusing concept. A definition that could very well be projected by whatever gang is giving out such information related to their agenda. It even sounds like something a kin to a degree. PHD comes to mind as to your delivery. Also the agenda of transforming humans into Dragons surely tells me that you are desperate. I must inform you that I have to take away a point by your response and let you know the number stands at 96% instead of 95%. With 4 percentage points left.

    For one thing, from everything in my experience is not as you have tried to paint it. I thought Dragons had courage. You must be a young Dragon and have not fully found that courage that should be beating in your Heart. No matter the dragon dribble that you have displayed in your response, I will allow you the grace for your immaturity.

    The point of my addressing you is that you have lured many with your wisdom. Even I am impressed with your talents. But not enough to compromise what the Creator has already blessed me with as a human as in higher universal man. Why would I defile his intentions by allowing what he has already blessed me with as one of his creations into something he did not intend. And you are doing what? Uncreating one in 50,000 into something that has forgotten what it was blessed with in the first place? That is just one of the most perverted perversions of the Universe I have heard in a while. The premise of that is actually very twisted in design and just shows at what lengths your soul family has gone to exploit one of God's creations. But really, why would I be surprised at this twisted twist as I have seen with my own eyes what your soul family has done. If you are really paying attention here, I said that and from the first hand as to what I brought to the table.

    There are several key components that your brethren and your council no longer have control of. One of which I didn't mention in the first round, are the keys to that gate that some of you tried with all of your might to go through but turned you into Dragon butter instead. Another thing that is not in your cave of awareness is who or what is keeping that gate shut. And not to upset you but I will tell you that it is from the true source that has made this contract to keep you all here, until you embrace what you have refuted.

    I have no such agenda as in duping anyone as to what I have brought here today. If anything I have spent countless years in service, since the time of Antiquity and those caves as memories as you so poorly put that is all in one cave. One life stream. If everyone could remember in full, what they have experienced in their life streams, I fear there would be a massive war of retribution reborn in this Universe for all the pain and suffering your soul family has provided them. And through the years of torment and suffering I have endured, I have come far in the healing of the prejudice your soul family has graced me with. To the point where, I have come here in actual peace to try to negotiate a peace, spite your arrogance.

    I didn't come here to complicate your day Abrax. I came here with a solution to all concerned. As usual, the display of your response is no longer a speculation, as your arrogance has surely showed part of your claws. You claim you have authority but that authority is mis directed as to what your agenda is all about is nothing but another form of possession. You and your council no longer have the authority as you have so claimed with your arrogance and entitlement attitudes over this Planet any longer. This Planet was never yours to begin with. It has all been a ruse perpetrated by your quest for domination.

    In the name of the human race, your agenda will not succeed should you decide to implement the invasion that your council has been covertly stock piling here on Gaia. Your council doesn't tell you everything. You can keep us distracted with your wisdom, but if the question as to who knows anything that could possibly know of that, well let us see if your are truly full of wisdom or something else. Now that is what I call an innuendo.

    And if I have to stand up and represent this Planet that your soul family has exploited, to claim the authority to denounce your council's agenda, then I so do so now. I will not sit here and have any more of my soul family sacrificed to your dinner plates. Your brethren have used us from the very begining and you are going to present your council in such a sweet light without first taking the responsibility to come here and set things right even though your guilt could fill a black hole. Your council does not or is not the true Royality of the Dragons that I am friends with. So you have no real authority here in this Universe. You never had. You only have fooled the fools. Nothing more.

    You see there are guardians appointed by the God of this Universe with the Creator's blessings. That only report to the one. No council rules or governs over them. So there is no infiltration. The only reason why your soul family has made it this far is because of the Creator's grace.

    If I didn't know from experience these things, I would probably be subscribing to your second hand information. Your talent is blazing and I sincerely mean that. But for the sake of my fellow humans, I want them to know that their souls are being played for by an old agenda that is now passed it's time. And I don't want to see them sacrificed for nothing as that has always been the end result of that agenda I have spoken about. I don't want to see my soul family continue down this road called "Boring" because of the selfish issues that have consumed your family for eons. What you also don't get is that I also don't want to see your family end up as Dragon butter either as I also know the potential of your family as the Creator had intended is still available to you through his grace. We humans are not responsible for the karmic pile your brethren have created. So that is why it is time for you or one of your superiors to come clean and take responsibility and convince your brethren that the road you continue to travel on is a DEAD end. Was that an innuendo? Because if you do I will tell you this, is that your Brethren will find yourselves all alone and will do through the habit of your past, repeat it, but this time you will be slicing and dicing each other. The reason why you will be left alone is because of what is going to happen in the Universe. You simply won't be able to keep up in terms of frequency.

    And to further add to your situation and what appears your lack of knowledge pertaining to it, is what you once had is now gone. The real ones. What you think you have is not what it appears to be. So without that, your fate is once again sealed.

    Mind you, I am not here to judge you. You hold your own mirror. But everyone should have a clue as to what you have with held from your audience. There is a code between Dragons and Humans, but it is not this code. This Thuban code is not the Royal one. So it has no real authority anywhere outside of your home planet.

    I'll have to pass on your proposed course of Dragonhood. I don't have the stomach to digest a child served up on a plate.

    If I can propose a question, I would like to ask when are you going to tell the real truth to your human audience? I am not saying that you have lied. But what I am talking about is what you haven't told them? This reminds me of the movie, "TO SERVE MAN."

    Again Abrax, I came in peace and I am going to leave in one piece. Why? Because I can. I also bid you a good day my Dragon friend. Sincerely.

    Lionhawk aka ....................?


    viking wrote:
    I don't pass through here often but felt compelled to thank you for your fine words Lionhawk....

    And welcome back.

    viking


    hippihillbobbi wrote:

    Hey ya'll --

    I don't really think Abraxas needs any defense, BUT, having said that -- i would like to offer just one observation about LionHawk's recent posts: i sense much less of a "Love Vibration" than a "Fear Vibration" in your words, LionHawk. i DO appreciate your obvious sense of protectiveness for your human sisters and brothers, but "me thinks thou dost protest too much!"

    if the ultimate test for each of us is how the information resonates in our spirit, then i have to say that Abraxas' posts have had much more resonance for me, LionHawk, than have your defensive diatribes.

    in sisterly love,
    hippihillbobbi

    LionHawk wrote:
    Sounds like you are one in the 50,000 that was mentioned. Good for you. And if you think the ultimate test is about how the information resonates with you, I would reconsider. It's about your soul and the real test is to see if you can keep it. I have already said that Abrax has a great talent here, but for the most part he really hasn't said anything here that you can't find elsewhere. Except from this council that really has no credibility or authority over the human race. If you want to subscribe to something that has not been certified by the Creator and their Royal King, then I guess, you will be one of the ones in the food line. Their food line. The polarized topic of love and fear is a mute point as far as I am concerned. Because neither one of them will mean anything when your soul is ripped to shreds and used to control others. So if that is what your are defending without defending as you say, then all I have to say here is WHHOOOAAAAAAA!

    Have a nice day!

    Céline wrote:
    I have not posted to this thread in awhile...

    and i am about to say...what many think...

    i from day 1..i wanted abraxas to be banned.

    i knew his intent from the first post..yet i lacked the ability to properly express my concerns. i watched as this thread grew...as mods gave him the open door...

    it has disgusted me...it has created such negative energy...

    it is a huge distraction that affects light warriors in a very negative way.

    i bow to LionHawk..and offer my services in any way..to help bring clarity to this thread.


    i know the mods are between a rock and a hard place with this thread and this member...

    but i also know for a fact that his thread has affected negatively a few users...some more then others...

    as for defending abraxas..you are right..he needs no defense...he wants no defense...he got what he wanted..YOUR attention...so he can further his agenda..

    i am very grateful to the universe and its creator for sending someone to remove the veil that abraxas has put over so many eyes...

    Thank You Lionhawk

    malletzky wrote:
    Dear Cèline, dear avalonians, dear friends...

    I highlighted, with a purpose, some excerpts from Cèline's post above, and I’ll make it short.

    You know, as hard as I try to sentiment with the feelings from many of you here...

    ...so hard it is for me to accept the fact that...perpetual, on many ocations, many times...many of you seem to assume to know what's going on in the hearts of some other persons here...

    Do you really know???

    I tell you...despite my (by now more then 500) posts here, the answer is NO, you don't know...at least you obviously seem not to know me.

    You don't know me...and as long as that veil is still put over the eyes of many, the many will miss to know me. I'm so sorry about this. I'm really sorry...then…


    ...I mentioned few times already, that this forum (as many other forums too) has it's own, natural rules. These rules are not manmade...but these rules depends on the level of your own vibrational energies.

    If the energy patterns on this forum doesn't match (any more) with your energy patterns, the only logical consequence, sooner or later, would be a breakup.

    Really, I don’t feel comformtable any more with the fact that, based only on assumptions, inner feelings, intuition...or whatever else, some tend to know what’s going on inside of my heart and therefore indirectly stamping over me with some labels!

    Allow ME to say that I also feel some negative energy here...but not that one, that many of you speak about and many of you seem to have find it radiating from some avatars here.

    But did I ever said that the one...or one...or one...should be banned???

    So the logical consequence is...I will take a break.

    I’m proud to have been a part of this group for so long time now...and I leave you behind in love and light.

    Yeah, you read correct...in light...

    You’ll allways be in my heart. Please know that I love you ALL.

    Until some other time dear friends...I’ve come to an end here.

    ...btw...we all loose...there’re no winner here...

    With much love and much respect
    malletzky

    Cèline wrote:
    Sigh...I am very sorry to see you feel this way...i will attempt to respond..

    First of all its Céline...and..i noticed you said "céline, friends and avalonians"...i guess i am not a friend nor an avalonian...but maybe that was not your intent...i tend to read things on an emotional basis, not an intellectual one...that is why i do not fit in to this thread i guess.

    i understand the intent of your response, except for ...what the purpose was for highlighting certain things i said..(taking excerpts from sentences kinda takes away its intent)

    "do you really know"

    know what others feel? yes, some people.

    "no you dont know"....so you are telling me..what i know? a little presumptuous imo

    "you do not know me" You are right, i do not..and i NEVER said i do.

    "veil"

    i have always respected your post and feel you are very aware..and are not "veiled"

    You speak of love...i fear you are judging me, without love in your heart..

    We all have opinions...and we all use our judgment based on opinion...allow me mine please.

    As for what i "know"..it is NOT based only on intuition..or avatars.

    Bigmo wrote:
    Maybe I must be one that just doesn't 'get it' ...

    Exactly what are you Celine, Lionhawk, Transo, Viking, etc. so concerned about?

    Who has he mislead? What has he mislead them to understand that you object to? That he calls himself a dragon or represents the Thuban Council or that Jesus is the Logos?

    And you want him banned for that?

    Talk about intolerance! I thought you were believers in free will? Or only free when someone 'speaks' the way you wish them to?

    You all amaze me.

    Not one of your answers has offered any deeper clue to the question of who we are in this universe or where we are going.

    At least Abraxas has offered to reveal his 'hidden' information for our benefit, so he says. I don't know if he has altruistic motives or not and maybe he does want us to become 'stardust'.

    I guess that the chance I take when I read his post but at least he is posting something of substance... whether you agree with him or not.

    It makes not sense to come here and call him names or make claims that he is not who he claims to be because really, who are you?

    What pedigree do you have that presupposes that I should listen to you anymore than I will listen to him? That's arrogance!

    I believe that Abraxas has provided explanations to inquires made by the participants to this thread in a very thorough and thoughtful way.

    Have you?

    If any of you have the 'inside knowledge' or the 'universal secret' ... let us hear now, what you have to say?

    We're all ears.

    Peace

    Cèline wrote:

    ------------response to bigmo-----------

    my concerns are for people i love.

    no that is not why i want him banned

    i belive in free will..why are you then saying i cannot share my opinion? ..maybe i should just shut up...

    are you saying my posts are not of substance? We all havbe our reasons for being here ALL are valid

    i did not call him names...i have told abrax how i feel.

    where did did i say you have to listen to me? i have no expectation that you or anyone does..i was just sharring my opinion

    i do not respond to his thread, i do respond to any inquiries people have about me or my threads...which are fluff compared to this thread, i suppose

    i never said i had any of that...

    i am quite insulted..and hurt.

    i shared my position...

    abrax knows full well how i feel...

    perhaps im just an easy target for people far more intellectual then i...

    sigh...



    Spregovori wrote:
    Giving my "energy" to this thread probably makes me "entitled" to act "smart"....

    I never felt anything wrong with this thread. I am not spiritually advanced (at least not by formal standards) but if something smells I mostly do smell it and stay away from it.

    I also do not have any special abilities. I just recently had a very short lucid dream...the 1st or 1st I can remember...cant seem to have more..do not knot know how to....did not do anything special (or am not aware of it) before I had them...but would like to have more....anyway...I am "everyday" human...

    But this here is the internet not "real" life. This thread smells just as good as most others here. There are more spices than one can usually find but at least the boiling has been kept to a minimum - something I like.

    It is always interesting for me to read what it posted here... There is much I do not understand but I do try to keep it simple and try not to put energy into things that are either beyond my comprehension or ability to directly influence on....since most of the time I am putting way too much time to anything but myself...so I am participating here in this thread in attempt to learn more about myself.

    Why? Because I am somehow able to see a sort of a "logic" in it (this is my understanding, someone else might see it differently).

    Also each participant had his own way of contributing to this thread and Abraxasinas was/is kind enough to accommodate us all. I am sure that each person got a lot to think about...

    I see no way how someone can force me into anything by either reading or participating in this thread. Also as far as my input was/is concerned - everything I do is/was/will be my choice and my responsibility (with one exception) I somehow actually like that.

    Is there danger here? Compared to the majority of people (general population) knowing the contents of this thread is greatly more beneficial and less dangerous than knowing if Spice Girls will make a porno movie (that would made my day...but...) or knowing all the "positive" effects of USA stimulus or the financial problems of Greece...etc Anyone watching the TV news and blindly believing it is in a far more greater danger.

    I also see no dragons swirling in our skies and also if they do come praying for some fresh meet...than it wont really matter if someone reads this thread or not... It is not like they will have a list of participants and skip all the rest... (yes this now is a poor attempt of a joke)

    And before anyone mentions he or she will prevent it with the power of conscience...well than go and do it, what is stopping you?

    I am yet to see a random person manifesting his thoughts into action in real time.

    What I see here....and something like that also happened before...and it also happened in other threads...is what I see when I talk to other people for example about how economy is working...when I try to...step by step...A-Ž explain to hem how money is in control of everything they do in their life and how vastly different life could be....and some even go that far...to allow themselves to picture the unimaginable possibilities of their life without formal regulation and monetary control....some.... Most of them....are "skeptic" they react like some react here...they engage into "politely defensive" mode...and if you still poke them they tend to get somewhat sarcastic...what follows is anger... It is always a good idea to disengage while they are still "polite".

    I was also just recently seeking reason and ways of destroying my soul...so it is not like I am afraid to take a risk....yes I can still get scared...but after participating in this thread I no longer seek to destroy my soul...

    I do not know/understand who exactly Abraxasinas is and how does that look like...but if some day a dragon (or any other being) comes I will offer my hand in friendship and ask him/her for a ride (they do fly don't they?)

    This is how I wish to see myself...as someone that would welcome anyone...weather "friend" or "foe"..... someday I just might be able to do that....

    There is still a lot to do...but my energy reserves are getting lower...I am being drained daily by people "closest" to me...

    But but but....what if dragon eats me? Than I will be eaten...and will become part of the dragon or will the dragon be a part of me?

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    The Trouble "Makers", Part 2

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:11 pm

    ------------comment from poster---------

    GaiaLove aka Richard rank was Administrator

    -------------end of comment--------

    Céline wrote:
    ..the MODS were....."are" neutral...they (along with my husband) chose to allow his behavior to be what it is. His "phd" talk keeps people like me away...it is part of his agenda...

    GaiaLove wrote:
    [My Reply as a Moderator]
    The current stance for mods here is one of neutrality when it comes to inter personal issues between members. When it comes to threads/posts neutrality is not part of the equation as the guidelines dictate what can and cannot be posted.
    At this time Abraxas is not breaking any guidelines but may be aiding in creating new ones.
    As for your point Céline that his posts keeps you away. That is not a bad thing.



    [My comment as a member]
    Abrax, the jig is up, for all to see. The Honorable thing to do is leave with dignity.
    This thread and the topic is not what Avalon is about. I Have listened to many members complain that its content is a abomination to what PA stands for.


    [My comment as a member of the Human race]
    A few years ago I would of taken a totally different approach here and the world would of been better off. However, Avalon and Life experience since then has made me a better person. As such I can now turn my back on this thread and the verbal diarrhea herein.

    [To my Beloved Céline]
    Your love for the human race has never faltered and has over time changed my contempt for the species which has raped this planet. I have love and hope in my heart mostly because of you. This lizard and his followers do not deserve your attention. Their loss. dont waste anymore of your time and emotion here. it's rather pointless.
    Love U

    Céline wrote:
    Not a bad thing i agree with you Richard.

    but this is what i think IS a bad thing.

    Why should i (or anyone ) continue to spread love and light on THIS forum...if i (we) feel the MODS and the guidelines on this forum do not protect us from insult or condescending remarks?

    Sure its ok to share opinions...

    including homophobic ones? racist ones? sexist ones?

    Some here have been insulted and had to swallow it due to this "neutrality", and for the benefit of the whole, i and others have agreed with this behavior...and i still do...

    but..

    You cannot expect people to feel motivated to support your forum...if you do not support us.

    i want to feel safe..unjudged and loved..do others here feel this way?

    i ask the MODS and the founders...can i and others expect that at PA?

    GaiaLove wrote:
    As I have said, your and many other voices have been heard and listened to. There will soon be guidelines put in place to eliminate this type of behaviour. The love and light you and others spread here are inspirational to many many people myself included and will be nourished and developed to bring Avalon into the future we are building together.

    ----note from poster-------

    Ross H was a "senior" moderator

    ---------end of note-----------

    Ross H wrote:



    Your love and light is paramount to your existence and thus embraced on this forum by many members.

    You have thicker skin Celine, and a heart to encompass, you are Sovereign.

    You have all the protection you need

    Rest assured, the mods will take action if its required. At this time, this thread falls into my neutral parameters.

    Peace

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    Post 1164

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:19 pm

    Magamud wrote:
    Abraxas,
    The plumed serpents have left their works in the lost civilizations around the planet with high knowledge of astrophysics. These beings kept in place a god worship dynamic using sentient energy. Can you explain the means of entrapping the soul beyond death creating reincarnation. Is it giving the soul what it believes as heaven, like a holadeck? Also how many times has this place gone through the precession of ages in the zodiac?


    Dear Magamund!

    The socalled entrapment of the soul is incarnation itself. The architecture of the universe is very simple in design but is becoming more and more complex in the say 'finetunings' to build the material objects found within this physicalised cosmos.
    The simplicity is the SEED and just as an apple tree can grow from a simple apple seed, so is the construction of all physicality in the universe and as say found in the workings of the genetic code.

    So the biochemical DNA/RNA has a metaphysical or spiritual precursor.


    (83) Jesus says:
    (1) "The images are visible to humanity, but the light within them is hidden in the image. The light of the Father will reveal itself, but his image is hidden by his light."

    (84) Jesus says:
    "When you see your likeness you are full of joy.
    But when you see your likenesses that came into existence before you – they neither die nor become manifest – how much will you bear?"

    (17) Jesus says: "I will give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has not occurred to the human mind."

    (29) Jesus says:
    "If the flesh came into being because of the spirit, it is a wonder.
    But if the spirit (came into being) because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.
    Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has taken up residence in this poverty."


    The above sayings of our master templar so provide a definition for 'all things seen having been made by things unseen'.

    Hebrews 11:3
    Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


    Then the apple seed appearing was made by the (much smaller) DNA/RNA code appearing was made by some prior code not appearing.
    This non appearing code is symbolic or mathematical or archetypical in an UNSEEN non appearing order of the cosmogony predating the cosmology.

    The human soul (and all other souls) are definable in this unseen code as emanations from the prime creator source and as holofractal parts thereof.
    The mechanics of this definition process is a LOGOS, namely the coupling of the Source Energy in some chaotic selfstate (of an undefined God NOT aware of itself as some wording say) with its own Intelligence (the Word of John.1.1).
    The order for the DISPENSATION of the chaotic God-Energy so becomes of paramount importance and does not require the SEEN space- and time- and matter parameters.

    So the SOUL preexists the materialised universe as a part or shard of God+Logos=All That Is (as defined before the physical universe is born).

    The ORDER of the LOGOS so also becomes the Order of the Soul and this is known as the dimensional hierarchy with the dimensions allowing definition of the densities as the gradient energies within and connecting those dimensions.

    Ok then, your question so relates the 3D embodiment of the soul in the things that are seen - this is the incarnation in the 3D space and the 4D spacetime continuum.

    The 3 space dimensions are however complemented by colocal triplicities of say 'compacted' or 'conifolded' space dimensions.
    This then many term the ASTRAL Plane and the ETHERIC plane.

    So the incarnated soul finds itself 'trapped' in a 3D body merkabah (this is actually a sphere about the Cosmic Man as the AdamEve archetype) BUT also has a hidden (often subconscious) access to the Astral Hyperspace plane and the (often superconscious) Etheric Quantumspace plane.

    The general 'New Age' and 'Perennial Philosophy' idea so becomes to 'ascend' from the base triplicity through the astral and the etheric planes back to the source.

    Then the socalled 'harvesting' of souls by astral ETs, 'Draconian Devils', 'Demonic Vampyres' and such is simply the interaction of the 'waking conscious' 3D-aware souls with their own astral 6D and etheric 9D planes of the subconscious and the superconscious.

    Now because the astral and etheric dimensions are both individual and collective, interference and communication eventuates as a function of the individual's selfstate of selfawareness. This is often termed frequency state or resonance potential, but requires rigorous definition in terms of how the ultimate resonance state of the source (say Holy Spirit or such) communicates with the soul-vibration of the individual.

    So your ideas about the holodeck are quite appropriate. The hologram of the entire universe is the SEED within you as the physicalisation of the AdamEve archetype (defined BEFORE the spacetimes emerged).
    Then the 3 dimensional triplicities of 3D-Linespace; 6D-(Astral)Hyperspace and 9D-(Etheric)Quantumspace all harbour many sublevels, such as tiers of 7 and 9.
    The first 5 sublevels are subject to polarity manifested; the next 2 subject to unmanifested internalised polarity and the 8th and 9th sublevel are unpolarised in all definitions.

    So for example you and as your soul can encounter negatively polarised astral entities in the 5th 'hell' in hyperspace in what you may term OBE or NDE or a 'nightmare'.
    The hyperspace defines angular spacetime parameters, i.e. rotation.

    The quantumspace defines oscillations about a mean pivot and is 'higher' in potency as it is closer to the prime source ultimate resonance (in 12D omnispace).

    So the 'EVIL=VEIL' entities in 9D-quantumspace become PURE PROJECTIONS of the soul-ID in the lower dimensions, as the quantumspace by definition only harbours unified polarity.

    It is the cosmic justice, that the ETHERIC serves as a PURE MIRROR for the lowerD soul in evolution.


    This place, actually the entire universe has never before undergone the destined transformation of a 'Group-Soul' from impregnation on Ap[ril 1st, 2012 to birth (of the starhumanity as a cosmic planetary baby) on December 21st, 2012 and its weaning ending on August 4th, 2013.


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    Post 1165

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:20 pm

    Hi All!

    This thread is called: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) and so involves the answering of questions asked by anyone.
    This I shall continue to do, if I am able to do so, as long as there are questions being asked or until the PTB find it appropriate to ban me from attempting to answer those questions asked.

    Some of you may have discerned my statement of having 'leaked' some of the 5% the PTB were not hitherto aware of.
    This 'leaking' is cause for the recent release of 'harboured guile and hatred' directed towards this data sharing from Thuban by many on this forum.

    The Council of Thuban is well aware of the 'Opening of a Pandora Box' on the 'highest spiritual level of the polarised archetypes' and has accomodated the intensification of certain energies initiated on January 18th, 2010.

    I can share with you, that none of you will be held 'in judgement' by the Council of Thuban, presided over by our master templar following the completion of this timeline from November 30th, 2009 to August 4th, 2013.

    You will however be required to 'selfjudge' and to process your reactivities.

    Here is another aspect of the 5%, which not many will be able to decipher at this time, but will be able to understand in a couple of years or so.

    (70) Jesus says:
    "If you bring it into being within you, then that which you have will save you. If you do not have it within you, then that which you do not have within you will kill you."


    All of You are wavefunctions in what you term your soul or cosmic IDs.
    All of You are particle functions in embodiments of your individualities.
    This is advanced quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement.
    Our master templar represents the wavefunction encompassing the entire universe including ALL of you.
    Our master templar so ALREADY IS within you all as a 'collapsed' wavefunction within your individualised particle functions.
    To PROCESS our dragon master within yourselves so becomes prerequisite to allow HISHER collapsed wavefunction to become an ENCOMPASSING wavefunction around your individualised particularised merkabahs of your souls.

    Failing to do so, will, as said above - kill you in the collapse of your particle functions to try again to ACCOMODATE your own Thubanese Dragonhearts.


    (23) Jesus says:
    (1) "I will choose you, one from a thousand and two from ten thousand.
    (2) And they will stand as a single one."

    As 1 in 1000 translates to the apostolic circle of a unified 12 around its center; 1(2),000 define the (2) in 10,000.

    This becomes 12x12,000=144,000 as 1 in 50,000 in a population of 7.2 billion earthlings.

    This 7,200,000,000 includes 200 million ETs presently surrounding the quarantined earth so 2 million kilometers from the Gaian planetary center {Revelation.9.16}.

    1 in 50,000 is 1/500 of a % and in a forum such as PC/PA the human population is focused about a hundredfold to give a percentage of 1 in 500.

    For 500 members, readers or contributors on the PC/PA forum so; just One will be able to PROCESS the information given.

    This is prophetic necessity and not a judgement (sealing in the forehead of 144,000 in Revelation.14.3}.

    Revelation 14:3
    And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

    Feeling excluded, will necessarily result in defense mechanics of your egocentricities and result in the recent 'awakening' of the 'fake gods and devils' within yourselves ( and empowered by your astral and etheric connections and communications).

    BUT NOONE of you is excluded as this choosing must emerge from your own hearts and not some dispensation from without.

    Nevertheless, the actual such 'selfchosen' participating members of these forums presently (and this is a Thuban estimate and not as yet authorized by the Logos) would not exceed a count of about 5.
    It is hoped, should the data transmission from Thuban continue; that this early count can become greatly multiplied in the next two years; with March 28th, 2011 a decisive 'harvesting point' however.

    So to the 'challengers' and the 'defenders' alike - you know who you are; the Thuban Council wishes to extend its gratitude for implementing such a great job (Aye you ALL are and have the JOB in the Old Testament) done in bringing forth the great polarisation in miniature - the 'spiritual war' between the Father of all Lies and his image of the Father of Truth.

    Yet, they are one and the same across a divide, which shall destroy the fakeries and the falsehoods.
    All but the 1 in 50,000 will be subject to these falsehoods in bringing about the Dark Shining Light of the New Gaia.

    In a sense though, the 'earlier selfchosen' are the 'stay at home' sons and daughters, loyal to their kingdoms.
    The 'unsealed renegades' are like the prodigal daughters and sons, which HELP to bring about a more contextual and richer kingdom for all in their 'disobedience' and their 'disloyalties' to their homages.
    The deeper meaning of these words will become clearer in time.
    You ALL are doing a great JOB and the 'Great Deceiver' has been forced to reveal its presence.
    Remember the Starhumanity is a BABY of the Cosmos - a UNIFIED GALACTIC CIVILIZATION.
    It will not be easy to manifest, but the timeline is on due course and cannot be avoided by anyone or anything as it has been a collective decision before the universe was born in space and time.


    This then is the RELATIVITY between the Warriors of the Light in the Darkness and the Warriors of the Night in the Light.

    Shalom and the Love of the Little Serpent, Father of our master templar Jesus of Nazareth is with you always; even if you fail to comprehend it.

    Sirebard Beardris

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    Post 1166

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:24 pm

    Lionhawk wrote:
    Well, well, my dear Dragon. Nice try. Brushing it off your back with a brush called arrogance. To be expected in the first round between us. For that matter I think you have one hell of a sense of humor and you might consider the comedy circuit, because when I read your response, you made me laugh and I can only hope that my laugh wasn't an annoying echo in your den.

    Dragon-hood. Now that is by definition a confusing concept. A definition that could very well be projected by whatever gang is giving out such information related to their agenda. It even sounds like something a kin to a degree. PHD comes to mind as to your delivery. Also the agenda of transforming humans into Dragons surely tells me that you are desperate. I must inform you that I have to take away a point by your response and let you know the number stands at 96% instead of 95%. With 4 percentage points left.

    For one thing, from everything in my experience is not as you have tried to paint it. I thought Dragons had courage. You must be a young Dragon and have not fully found that courage that should be beating in your Heart. No matter the dragon dribble that you have displayed in your response, I will allow you the grace for your immaturity.

    The point of my addressing you is that you have lured many with your wisdom. Even I am impressed with your talents. But not enough to compromise what the Creator has already blessed me with as a human as in higher universal man. Why would I defile his intentions by allowing what he has already blessed me with as one of his creations into something he did not intend. And you are doing what? Uncreating one in 50,000 into something that has forgotten what it was blessed with in the first place? That is just one of the most perverted perversions of the Universe I have heard in a while. The premise of that is actually very twisted in design and just shows at what lengths your soul family has gone to exploit one of God's creations. But really, why would I be surprised at this twisted twist as I have seen with my own eyes what your soul family has done. If you are really paying attention here, I said that and from the first hand as to what I brought to the table.

    There are several key components that your brethren and your council no longer have control of. One of which I didn't mention in the first round, are the keys to that gate that some of you tried with all of your might to go through but turned you into Dragon butter instead. Another thing that is not in your cave of awareness is who or what is keeping that gate shut. And not to upset you but I will tell you that it is from the true source that has made this contract to keep you all here, until you embrace what you have refuted.

    I have no such agenda as in duping anyone as to what I have brought here today. If anything I have spent countless years in service, since the time of Antiquity and those caves as memories as you so poorly put that is all in one cave. One life stream. If everyone could remember in full, what they have experienced in their life streams, I fear there would be a massive war of retribution reborn in this Universe for all the pain and suffering your soul family has provided them. And through the years of torment and suffering I have endured, I have come far in the healing of the prejudice your soul family has graced me with. To the point where, I have come here in actual peace to try to negotiate a peace, spite your arrogance.

    I didn't come here to complicate your day Abrax. I came here with a solution to all concerned. As usual, the display of your response is no longer a speculation, as your arrogance has surely showed part of your claws. You claim you have authority but that authority is mis directed as to what your agenda is all about is nothing but another form of possession. You and your council no longer have the authority as you have so claimed with your arrogance and entitlement attitudes over this Planet any longer. This Planet was never yours to begin with. It has all been a ruse perpetrated by your quest for domination.

    In the name of the human race, your agenda will not succeed should you decide to implement the invasion that your council has been covertly stock piling here on Gaia. Your council doesn't tell you everything. You can keep us distracted with your wisdom, but if the question as to who knows anything that could possibly know of that, well let us see if your are truly full of wisdom or something else. Now that is what I call an innuendo.

    And if I have to stand up and represent this Planet that your soul family has exploited, to claim the authority to denounce your council's agenda, then I so do so now. I will not sit here and have any more of my soul family sacrificed to your dinner plates. Your brethren have used us from the very begining and you are going to present your council in such a sweet light without first taking the responsibility to come here and set things right even though your guilt could fill a black hole. Your council does not or is not the true Royality of the Dragons that I am friends with. So you have no real authority here in this Universe. You never had. You only have fooled the fools. Nothing more.

    You see there are guardians appointed by the God of this Universe with the Creator's blessings. That only report to the one. No council rules or governs over them. So there is no infiltration. The only reason why your soul family has made it this far is because of the Creator's grace.

    If I didn't know from experience these things, I would probably be subscribing to your second hand information. Your talent is blazing and I sincerely mean that. But for the sake of my fellow humans, I want them to know that their souls are being played for by an old agenda that is now passed it's time. And I don't want to see them sacrificed for nothing as that has always been the end result of that agenda I have spoken about. I don't want to see my soul family continue down this road called "Boring" because of the selfish issues that have consumed your family for eons. What you also don't get is that I also don't want to see your family end up as Dragon butter either as I also know the potential of your family as the Creator had intended is still available to you through his grace. We humans are not responsible for the karmic pile your brethren have created. So that is why it is time for you or one of your superiors to come clean and take responsibility and convince your brethren that the road you continue to travel on is a DEAD end. Was that an innuendo? Because if you do I will tell you this, is that your Brethren will find yourselves all alone and will do through the habit of your past, repeat it, but this time you will be slicing and dicing each other. The reason why you will be left alone is because of what is going to happen in the Universe. You simply won't be able to keep up in terms of frequency.

    And to further add to your situation and what appears your lack of knowledge pertaining to it, is what you once had is now gone. The real ones. What you think you have is not what it appears to be. So without that, your fate is once again sealed.

    Mind you, I am not here to judge you. You hold your own mirror. But everyone should have a clue as to what you have with held from your audience. There is a code between Dragons and Humans, but it is not this code. This Thuban code is not the Royal one. So it has no real authority anywhere outside of your home planet.

    I'll have to pass on your proposed course of Dragonhood. I don't have the stomach to digest a child served up on a plate.

    If I can propose a question, I would like to ask when are you going to tell the real truth to your human audience?


    Dear Lionhawk!

    I have told the truth and nothing but the truth (as say legislated in a court of jurisdiction) in all of my discourses.

    There have been cases of being asked questions in particular contexts to which answers in similar context were then given in reply.
    For example, if called (or implied by innuendo) of being a 'bloodthirsty' Draconian Vampire or a Tyrannosaurus Rex of some sort, on the 'prowl' to 'eat' stardestined evolving humanoids; then I might very well mirror this implication in projecting being such a 'vampire' in search of 'devouring' the questioner and originator of the projected innuendo and labeling.



    Lionhawk wrote:
    I am not saying that you have lied. But what I am talking about is what you haven't told them?


    There are many things I have not yet told the readers of this thread. This is not because of 'witholding data', but because the appropriate questions have not been asked or the explanation would be too technical in mathematical terms for people to understand.
    Additionally, whilst I am in knowledge about the generality of the timeline as decreed by our master templar; I am not privvy to detailed dates of manifestations.
    I will however publish those details once I become aware of them AND if I am authorized to do so.

    Lionhawk wrote:
    This reminds me of the movie, "TO SERVE MAN."

    Again Abrax, I came in peace and I am going to leave in one piece. Why? Because I can. I also bid you a good day my Dragon friend. Sincerely.

    Lionhawk aka ....................?


    I apologize for not having answered your question asked earlier CircleAWar=ArachneABirth=PaulLeft=93.

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    Post 1168

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:25 pm

    TRANCOSO wrote:
    In my reply at 01-10-2010 / 05:19 AM, I already noticed that there was something fishy about the abraxasinas hype. It occured to me that abraxasinas was using a combination of boosting ego's & incredible knowledge. That was 100.000 views ago. Meanwhile I saw Celine (& many others) being dragged into this thread. And now, all of a sudden, that same Celine tells us that she wanted to see abraxasinas banned from day 1.



    That's not the way it works, darling.

    If Lionhawk wouldn't have shared his knowledge about this topic with us, it would have taken ages for you to wake up out of this delusion.

    This doesn't mean I do not respect you, abraxasinas. I am dazzled by your knowledge about a great many things & that really impressed me. I even suppose your intentions are sincere. But as I stated a 100.000 views ago, I didn't feel comfortable with your slip of the pen.

    The way you replied on Lionhawk's post, I found appaling. I almost had the feeling there was another abraxasinas talking, actually.

    That's why I replied in Dutch yesterday

    A kind of Dutch no Google translator can cope with, but a Draconian know-it-all would have understood for what it meant.

    Than I noticed you were surfing merely around for at least an hour more, without a reply to my remark.

    If you had the slightest bit of pride & honour in your soul, you would have given a reply - in Dutch - that would have been convincing to me, that you're for real.



    Peace, Love & Respect, Abraxasinas


    Dear Trancoso!

    I considered replying to your Dutch sentence indeed; but decided not to, because you did not translate for all readers unfamiliar with the Dutch tongue.

    I did in no manner 'search' the web or forum to 'decipher' your enigmatic message, but simply engaged in other tasks.

    I could say to you:
    "Das monstroese Tier ist und ist nicht und doch ist, ist von den Sieben doch der Achte und geht in die Verderbung".

    Would you bother replying to this?

    Then I could say:
    "The monstrous animal is not and yet is, is of the seven yet the eighth and goes into perdition."

    I also could say:
    "Het monsterachtige dier is niet en is nog, is van de zeven nog de achtste en gaat in ondergang".

    Your original saying translates to:

    "Ja, lekker dan, zo ken ik er nog wel een paar!"

    "Ja gut dann, so kann ich es noch wissen wie im Paar!"

    "Yes, well then, so I can know it as a pair!"

    Your wisdoms and riddles belong to you and you are privvy to share them if you so desire.


    I am not here, nor am I required to by my council, to PROVE anything to anything or anyone - are you?

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    Post 1169

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:26 pm

    Jonah wrote:
    If the spirit came from flesh...

    if the tree came from seed... and so it does... we had to create the bridge to the astral beyond the etheric so that our seed could become a tree... I like this abrax... if i am interpreting this correctly... but then as many here seem to forget.. it only matters how i interpret it...


    Indeed Jonah!

    The enigma is as to how, if the physical worlds emerged from some spiritual plenum as is generally postulated and believed; the created worlds then SOMEHOW become a feedback loop for the materially preexisting 'spirit'?

    And you have discerned well. This is but the 'fall of the starhumanity' from its original home of the 12D omnispace through the 9D etheric and the 6D astral into 3D physicality.

    This is wonderfully described in Genesis.2:

    Genesis 2:3-5 (King James Version)



    3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
    4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

    Now Jonah; YOU are able to translate the archetypes in this scriptural encoding through and by your discernments.

    The 'before it grew' semantics, describe the souls of manyness dispersing in individuations of consciousness (from the ONE SourceSoul or Oversoul or WorldSoul) into the metaphysical archetyped universe, before it existed in space and time.

    The often bemoaned 'fall of humanity' so is cosmic necessity to establish the feedback loops between the unseen templates for the seen creations.

    Should you continue to engage such discernments Jonah, then you will be on a narrow path into full remembrance.

    Your tree Jonah, is destined to grow from a seed within you to eventually create a feedback universe as big as you can fathom.

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    Post 1173

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:28 pm

    Jonah wrote:
    We shall see abrax,

    I have enough trouble remembering where i put my keys...

    But it is sad to see what most people have allowed... as they stare at the tv... hard to argue the fact that we have fallen...

    but i see the light in woman/man... if it weren't for the current controllers ability to keep us stuck... if feel man/woman would figure "it" out on his/her own...

    this is the problem most people have abrax...

    it's difficult to look past the emotions that get brought to light when dealing with such an overwhelming acceptance of the current situation...

    People need someone to blame I suppose... hence the current riff and confusion set upon humanity... and still after all the this is known... when all the secrets are revealed the mob will still want blood...
    lots of e=motion still left to learn from...

    wouldn't want to be tptb when the light shines upon the dark and vice-versa for that matter....

    to all who believe that they know what i believe... think again... .then ask your self why am i still thinking...


    There is a plan behind the plans and the many things of the present turmoils, physical, emotional, mental and spiritual - Jonah.

    Ask yourself, why is this present turmoil necessary and what 'higher' purpose does IT serve?

    The answer is the 'mission of Gaia' as a hologram of the greater universe, vastly greater than galactic identities of any kind.

    The full implications of this plan behind the plans, requiring Gaia's ascencion and Barbelo's descension; have not even been fully 'worked out' in its basic archetypical structure as yet.

    This 'constructing a new plan' for the purpose and destiny for the starplanet both collectively and individually; will be a group-cocreative effort for the old humans enabled to break through their eggshells to metamorphose from caterpillar to butterfly.

    But my comment about your 'fathoming' relates to this.
    It will become clearer to all after the 'tribulations' have ended.
    The few will of course begin to form the 'core' for this new world a little earlier as the pioneers and the 'eager ones' within the cocoons.

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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:35 pm

    Spregovori wrote:

    To anyone reading this thread....

    it seems i woke up " too honest" this day

    I am sorry (no I am not) but what is this crap about waging war against anything people do not like...

    warrior/war against darkness
    war against poverty
    war against terror
    war against climate change
    war against drugs

    People don't like something - they declare a war on ti (G.C)

    How unreasonable is it to call yourself a light and a warrior...it is like naming a missile patriot....something that can destroy but hey...it is patriotic...so no worries...it is for the good cause?

    Blow the mofos up - redeem their "crimes" against my believes.

    Being a "warrior" while hiding behind the "love and light" principles...how "dare" you?

    Please spare with all the "philosophy" (excuses) on the usage of word war/warrior with "good" intentions. No room for debate here - it is like "arguing" with a religious fanatic.

    You are acting like a bunch of "mainstream kids" that refuse to listen or see to anything that is not according to their view/perception of life and the moment something is not like them they form a "gang" to protect their "right".

    You put your "warrior" out and eventually you get your "warrior" back...now

    Is there a chance that Abraxasinas is full of ****? YES there is! BUT!! THE SAME GOES FOR YOU OR ME OR ANYONE ELSE!!!

    It seems like we should ban the whole forum here.... but if it helps you make feel better Abraxasinas has already been banned once under the pretense of breaking forum rules...(he answered my question LOL and got banned). Now it seems, so I read, there are new rules in the making to prevent such threads? What is this - New Age Fascism? I do wonder what or who is so much clairvoyant that can put together such a rule...

    Will there be more word twisting?

    You people here like science fiction? You people here know Star-gate SG1? Well in the begging the dream team comes on some planet...and there were people on that planet called the Nox. Please do watch that episode and see how they handle the problems (the point being their philosophy about it)

    "Young do not always do as they are told."

    I am yet to see the day when "humanity" will put their words before their swords...when they will ask questions first and will not strike later....the day when also the living will be able to see the end of war...not just the dead

    and my "advice" to you: if you do not like something, simply do not bother with it...do not put your attention to it...do not help to prolong it...

    Response to mod editing my replay "Inappropriate reason mod edit": might be...depends on your current moral standards...but for the sake of not arguing...i agree


    Céline wrote:

    Gang to protect our light....i am very sorry to see you feel that way..
    i am not in any gang...nor do i support the idea of such.

    Abrax knows full well how i feel.

    And as you see he CAN defend his points of view and in NO way feels threatened by our disagreeing or our feeling compelled to do something about it.

    All i see are other people telling "us" keep your opinions to yourself.

    Should we always agree?

    Disagreeing brings knowledge..in my world...what does it bring in your world?

    i may be intimidated...but i am not a yes girl.

    Abrax responded to Lionhawk...i do not think he responded to me...but i did not really ask him a question..

    and as he said....This threads purpose is to answer questions about Thuban.

    He has every right to ask us to keep focus on the subject at hand.

    a few came to his defense...feeling quite indignant...

    as was stated above..

    HE NEEDS NO DEFENSE


    i will ask 3 questions here....

    Abrax..

    Do you wish to spread light ?

    Bring knowledge to a wide base of people who are awakening to a new reality?

    if so would you consider starting other threads, based on other experiences that may offer "newbies" some tools to decipher your thread?

    3 questions...none about love abrax...*smiles*


    Abrax..on a side note...i remember seeing a request from the MODS to only quote what is necessary...you seem to quote big long texts..and add only a few words sometimes...i am told this is not "easy" on the forum (ok ok i know im not very techie minded..but i am sure you know what i mean )


    viking wrote:
    I’ll make this short… (My time is too valuable to waste here!!)

    Bigmo, I have no concern at all with this thread, or the Author.

    As far as I am concerned it is a waste of my valuable time. I have stopped visiting this thread as I do not resonate with it at all…

    I find more interest reading ‘Grimm Fairy Tales’ to my Kids … !!

    As far as I am concerned the Author here lives in ‘Wonderland’ … perhaps 'Cuckoo land' is more appropriate ...

    The only reason I popped in here was because I saw that Lionhawk had been here I wondered what on earth he was doing.

    By the way, good on you Lionhawk for stepping in, and Celine for coming forward and expressing yourself.

    Anyone here (Avalon) with intentions to steer mind towards evil intent will be caught out eventually. So rest assured folks the light always wins. Just know in your heart that all will unfold in time.

    Stop feeding the dragon!!

    If the dragon doesn’t get any nourishment here he will feed elsewhere!

    viking

    Céline wrote:
    so well said...good advice dear friend.

    and i belive that applies to more then just posting to his thread...thereis a need to reflect deeper on LionHawks words..and yours viking.


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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:39 pm

    Céline wrote:
    i will ask 3 questions here....

    Abrax..

    Do you wish to spread light ?

    I am a witness for the harmony between the archetypical light and the archetypical darkness, Celine.

    Céline wrote:
    Bring knowledge to a wide base of people who are awakening to a new reality?

    Absolutely!

    Céline wrote:
    if so would you consider starting other threads, based on other experiences that may offer "newbies" some tools to decipher your thread?

    I have already done so Celine; started other threads and replied to messages of others. I am however rather busy replying to the questions asked here and I have other obligations in my agencies as well; such as minding grandchildren and their awakenings to where they came from.

    Céline wrote:
    3 questions...none about love abrax...*smiles*


    Abrax..on a side note...i remember seeing a request from the MODS to only quote what is necessary...you seem to quote big long texts..and add only a few words sometimes...i am told this is not "easy" on the forum (ok ok i know im not very techie minded..but i am sure you know what i mean )

    I know what you mean and I disagree with your conclusions.

    AA

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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:44 pm

    bigmo wrote:

    -----------quote-------------

    All of You are particle functions in embodiments of your individualities.
    This is advanced quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement.
    Our master templar represents the wavefunction encompassing the entire universe including ALL of you.
    Our master templar so ALREADY IS within you all as a 'collapsed' wavefunction within your individualised particle functions.
    To PROCESS our dragon master within yourselves so becomes prerequisite to allow HISHER collapsed wavefunction to become an ENCOMPASSING wavefunction around your individualised particularised merkabahs of your souls.

    ----------end quote----------

    This 'PROCESS' that you speak of here that expands the collapsed wave function within our merkabahs is what? (can you define the 'PROCESS''?


    -----------quote-------------
    Failing to do so, will, as said above - kill you in the collapse of your particle functions to try again to ACCOMODATE your own Thubanese Dragonhearts.


    Nevertheless, the actual such 'selfchosen' participating members of these forums presently (and this is a Thuban estimate and not as yet authorized by the Logos) would not exceed a count of about 5.
    It is hoped, should the data transmission from Thuban continue; that this early count can become greatly multiplied in the next two years; with March 28th, 2011 a decisive 'harvesting point' however.

    So to the 'challengers' and the 'defenders' alike - you know who you are; the Thuban Council wishes to extend its gratitude for implementing such a great job (Aye you ALL are and have the JOB in the Old Testament) done in bringing forth the great polarisation in miniature - the 'spiritual war' between the Father of all Lies and his image of the Father of Truth.

    Yet, they are one and the same across a divide, which shall destroy the fakeries and the falsehoods.
    All but the 1 in 50,000 will be subject to these falsehoods in bringing about the Dark Shining Light of the New Gaia.

    ----------end quote----------

    So everyone but the 144,000 will participate in the 'falsehoods' of the Antichrist? So can there be any hope for discernment for others?




    All of You are wavefunctions in what you term your soul or cosmic IDs.
    All of You are particle functions in embodiments of your individualities.
    This is advanced quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement.
    Our master templar represents the wavefunction encompassing the entire universe including ALL of you.
    Our master templar so ALREADY IS within you all as a 'collapsed' wavefunction within your individualised particle functions.
    To PROCESS our dragon master within yourselves so becomes prerequisite to allow HISHER collapsed wavefunction to become an ENCOMPASSING wavefunction around your individualised particularised merkabahs of your souls.

    This 'PROCESS' that you speak of here that expands the collapsed wave function within our merkabahs is what? (can you define the 'PROCESS''?

    Sure bigmo!

    This process is what is the 'promised' LIGHTBODY for the humanoids entering the hitherto astral dimension (7D hyperspacetime (as Michio Kaku's hyperspacetime) or Roger Penrose's Twistor spacetime technically).

    In Luke.24.43 and (implied) in John.21.13; the 'lightbodied' Jesus eats and drinks with the apostles after 'walking through closed doors' in John.20.26.

    40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
    41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
    42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
    43And he took it, and did eat before them.
    44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
    45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
    46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
    47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
    48And ye are witnesses of these things.


    12Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.

    13Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.
    14This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
    15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

    The so called resurrection so relates to an advanced quantum mechanics, which could not be rationally understood two millennia or even 50 years ago, but can become 'rationalised' today through the advances in the abstract formulations of mathematical archetypes.

    This is actually behind the reason as to WHY the prophetic timeline in the 'holy books' could not hitherto be fulfilled and so many 'The End is Nigh' 'doomsayer' were found out to got their timings 'wrong'.
    All of them nevertheless did tune into the appropriate archetypology, which became POSSIBLE through the physical resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth as a hologram for the cosmos - and so MANIFESTING the primordial 'Cosmic Man' aka Vitruvius aka Adam Kadmon aka Purusha aka Pigeradamas aka aka, known about in all of recorded history.

    The story of the 'process' then of course is described most potently in the 'Gospel of Thomas' (which I often quote here as the uncorrupted testimony of our master templar in the year following this resurrection of April 1st, 31 AD and the 'metaphorical' ascension of May 10th, 31 AD.

    So to summarize; one must literally EAT the ascended christbody to allow the waveformed CHRISTWAVE to COLLAPSE within.
    This is defined by the Logos in:

    (07) Jesus says:
    "Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
    And cursed (anathema) is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human."

    Jesus is the Lion of Judah (Revelation.5.5) and heshe is also the true image of the false image of Yaldabaoth, the fake-God of the Old Testament as Jehovah with the Lion face and the Serpent's tail.
    {Reference is the Secret Book of John of the Nag Hammadi library}.

    All the 'prophecies' in the New Testament about the Armageddon relate to the destruction of the 'false images' and NEVER to actual souls or beings 'doomed' to 'The Lake of Fire and Brimstone' (the latter BEING this 'New Lightbody merkabah' encompassing the Old humanoid 4D spacetime form in a 5D hyperspacetime form.

    That is why 'one will be taken and one will remain' as the 'sheep and the goats' of the 'last judgement', refers to one's own 'shadow image' as a fake image; just as WITHOUT you looking into a mirror, your fake image would not optically exist in such a senario.

    The 'brimstone' will become the maleness and the 'fire' will become the femaleness in the lightbodies with the 'lake of the christbody' encompassing both in unity.

    So the 'Second Coming' is a totally individualised process, as is the armageddon.
    You either are able to 'Let the resurrected christbody' out to encompass you as a 'Christened Starhuman' or you fail to release this christbody and so remain 'trapped' in the 'lion's' belly, having eaten you by default of the physical factuality of the resurrection rendering the old Particle-Bodyform of Jesus of Nazareth as an all encompassing waveform.

    Now bigmo, having understood this, at least in generality; will then allow you to read the 'Gospel of Thomas' and UNDERSTANDING the process.

    http://www.geocities.com/mwgrondin/5thGospl.htm

    Feel free to ask clarification on this most important topic. Your future as a 4D experiencing soul or as a 5D experiencing soul depends on this process.




    Failing to do so, will, as said above - kill you in the collapse of your particle functions to try again to ACCOMODATE your own Thubanese Dragonhearts.


    Nevertheless, the actual such 'selfchosen' participating members of these forums presently (and this is a Thuban estimate and not as yet authorized by the Logos) would not exceed a count of about 5.
    It is hoped, should the data transmission from Thuban continue; that this early count can become greatly multiplied in the next two years; with March 28th, 2011 a decisive 'harvesting point' however.

    So to the 'challengers' and the 'defenders' alike - you know who you are; the Thuban Council wishes to extend its gratitude for implementing such a great job (Aye you ALL are and have the JOB in the Old Testament) done in bringing forth the great polarisation in miniature - the 'spiritual war' between the Father of all Lies and his image of the Father of Truth.

    Yet, they are one and the same across a divide, which shall destroy the fakeries and the falsehoods.
    All but the 1 in 50,000 will be subject to these falsehoods in bringing about the Dark Shining Light of the New Gaia.

    So everyone but the 144,000 will participate in the 'falsehoods' of the Antichrist? So can there be any hope for discernment for others?

    Yes, your first statement is true and necessary because the Logos has defined this as such.
    Yet, there is a caveat and this engages what is called the 'first death and resurrection' and the 'second death' in Revelation.

    Revelation.20:
    4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    The 'first death' is what most today understand as 'dying', the higherD soul leaving the 4D spacetime container.

    Because of the change in the spacetime configuration; this 'simply leaving' for the astral and etheric journeys will become disrupted (read David Wilcock and many other related sources and channels).

    Also you should know, that the 1000 years are also the 'Day of the Lord' and so this Day will vary for individuals and groups in accordance with their ability to manage this 4D-5D shift.


    2Peter.3:
    8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    The 'beheading' also does not mean physical beheading, but a 'loosing of ones mind' in the view of the 'unsealed' majority.
    Remember that the Revelation makes the clear distinction between the 'sealed in the forehead', the absence of this sealing implying the 'mark of the beast' and the 'unsealed'.

    The 'second death' is the manifesto of the selfrelative timelines of the 'eternity' once the 'new status quo' decreed by the Logos has become implemented.
    These are the souls 'outside the gates of the New Jerusalem' (which is many things, including a city of light in the sky encoded in Ezekiel as a Mother of all motherships; a hologram of this city in all of the 'redeemed' as encoded in Revelation.21,22) which do not enter into the 'new city', despite the gates being open for their admittance.

    So what is the caveat mentioned earlier?
    It is the cosmic archetypology of the 12 apostles say as the 12 starsigns of the zodiac and as the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel with the 13th starsign being Dinah as the serpenttamer as the sole mentioned (and so defined) Daughter of Israel.

    The 144,000 so already INCLUDE EVERYONE having a birthday under one of the 12 tribes.
    Here is the correlation:

    1=^=ARIES=[R]ED Ruby=Brotherhood Simon&Andrew {Luke.6.14;John.1.44}as Reuben-Simeon via Bethsaida/LeahExodus.28.17
    2=_=TAURUS=[O]RANGE Sapphire=Adopted Brotherhood Andrew&James{John.1.44} in Bethsaida-Zebedee as Simeon-LeviExodus.28.17
    3=`=GEMINI=[Y]ELLOW Golden Beryl=Brotherhood James&John Zebedee {Matthew.10.2} as Levi-Judah via Zebedee/LeahExodus.28.17
    4=a=CANCER=[L]IME Peridot=Adoption of John Zebedee by Jesus {John.19.26-27}with Pharez-Zarah Breach in Judah/Dan/Bilhah{b↔a}Exodus.28.18
    5=b=LEO=[G]REEN Emerald=Adopted Brotherhood Philip&Nathanael {John.1.44}as Dan-Naphtali via Bilhah{a↔b}
    6=c=VIRGO=[T]URQUOISE Topaz=Adoption of Matthew Levi in Brotherhood with Bartholomew in Naphtali-Gad breach in Bilhah/Zilpah{d↔c}
    Renaming of Alphaeus to Thaddeus for Leah-Rachel Continuity
    7=d=[C]YANAZURE=Brotherhood Matthew Levi&Judas Thomas implemented as Gad-Asher via Zilpah
    Bilhah-Zilpah breach reharmonised in renaming of Nathanel to Bartholomew for{c↔d}
    8=e=SCORPIO=[A]QUAMARINE Beryl=Judas Dydimos the Twin with James Alphaeus then mirrored in

    13=[=OPHIUCHUS=Dinah as Mary Magdalene the Female Shadow for the Unity of the 12.

    9=f=SAGITTARIUS=BLUE Sapphire=Brotherhood of James Alphaeus &Judas Alphaeus in Issachar-Zebulon/Leah
    10=g=CAPRICORN=NDIGO Lapis Lazuli=Renaming of Judas Alphaeus to Judas Thaddeus with Simon Zealotes as LeahTail=RachelHead
    11=h=AQUARIUS=[M]AGENTA Hyacinth=Adopted Brotherhood Simon Zealotes with Judas Iscariot as Issachar/Leah-Joseph/Rachel
    12=i=PISCES=[P]URPLE Amethyst=Adopted Brotherhood Judas Iscariot/S(P)aul of Tarsus in Benjamin/Rachel

    7-8=Sons of Bilhah
    9-10=Sons of Zilpah
    6-11=LeahTail-RachelHead
    12=Opening of the inner circle in Judas Iscariot
    1-12=LeahHead-RachelTail
    Aquarius=Joseph(Manasses=USA+Ephraim=Commonwealth)
    13. Matthias with Simon Peter and Justus with Paul of Tarsus and 72, 144, 288

    Then anyone able to BECOME ALL STARSIGNS in the 13th will AUTOMATICALLY be One of the 144,000 without individuation in one of the tribes. In effect such a 'graduate' will enter the Council of Thuban as one of the 24 Elders (again to be translated individually and collectively simultaneously).

    (52)
    His disciples said to him: "Twenty-four prophets have spoken in Israel, and all of them have spoken through you."
    He said to them: "You have pushed away the living one from yourselves, and you have begun to speak of those who are dead."

    Revelation 4


    1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
    2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
    3And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
    4And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
    5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
    6And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
    7And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
    8And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
    9And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
    10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
    11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    I shall not further elaborate on the caveat at this stage in the evelvement of the timeline.
    So to your second statement; there is always 'hope' as no part of prime creator will EVER 'Be Lost in Essence' as intricate part of Godself. Many many false ideas, mental images and perceptions will however 'burn in selfthought constructed' hells of divers sorts.

    Sirebard Beardris

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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:47 pm

    islandman wrote:
    Abraxasinas,

    I want to thank you for all the work you put into
    this thread. It is one of my favourites since I joined
    avalon. I dont often reply to many threads, but I read this one
    often and wanted to express my thanks and to encourage you to
    keep up the good work.

    I cant admit to understanding everything that you say, but I find everything
    I read here intriguing.

    I personally get a positive feeling from your information and I feel you present
    it with respect.


    Thank you Islandman!

    It is refreshing to hear your statement of receiving positive vibes from these messages from Thuban. This manifests a harmony of balanced intuitions.

    You also may remember the saying that "No Man is an Island onto himself', by the poet John Donne.
    And yet the master templar also states:

    (49) Jesus says:
    "Blessed are the solitary ones, the elect. For you will find the kingdom.
    For you come from it (and) will return to it."

    (68) Jesus says:
    "Blessed are you when(ever) they hate you (and) persecute you.
    But they (themselves) will find no place there where they have persecuted you."

    So it is sometimes rather beneficial to be a harmonious unit onto oneself.

    Thank you again and the Peace of the Elder Dragons be with you.

    AA

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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:48 pm

    THE eXchanger wrote:
    why do you quote things by 'jesus'
    when 'jesus' is 'the name' used by the satantic churches on earth
    for a soul who had a different name ???
    hasn't that name been 'inverted' and,
    'had a lot of ****' tossed on him/and, his real story has never been told ?
    what are the consciousness units of this being you call...'j'
    wasn't he connected to the serpent people or amurus of venus ?


    Good question Susan!

    I use the (Greek derived) name of Jesus, because its vibration of the 74 is the most powerful one in common utility and is also ubiquitous in usage, however 'used in vanity' by the vast majority of believers and skeptics alike.

    JESUS=74=MESSIAH=CROSS=ENERGY=BEAUTY=SONGS=CLOUDS= MELODY=LUCIFER=MAKE HOPE=OVERDEAD=...47=JOHN=BEAST=MUM reversed and D.I.Y.

    I sometimes use the more 'New Ager' labels of Yeshua and Yeshuah in certain historical contexts to accentuate the Hebrew; but manifest the alphanumeracy through the decreed 'Seed of Isaac' in the anglosaxon ABC.
    It is because the PTB are well aware of this archetypology in their plans to effectualize a parallel agenda to the Thuban one; that the 'anglosaxon' agenda, say as presented by Bill Ryan in his latest broadcast uses the same labelings.

    No, there are no inversions or manipulations of the archetypes in first order, as the true nature of the 'Satanists' and the 'Dragon Worshippers' (these are not the Thuban dragons btw, though they use a common symbology) is different than what has been filtered for the general populance.

    The Jesus we call our master templar is rather different from the Jesus 'worshipped' in the churches. It is the latter which has become manipulated in existence and in truth by editors and the rewriting of the human histories.

    But you are correct in associating Jesus with the Serpent people. Heshe indeed IS the SERPENT=PRESENT=97=SON OF MAN=CIRCLE OF GOD in the archetypical garden of Eden.

    The Lord God 'walking in the garden' and NOT knowing where Adam is, is the Fake God Jehovah aka Yaldabaoth.
    This is well documented in the gnostic archives of Nag Hammadi, say in the 'Secret Book of John'. It is also well known by a minority of researchers in all fields of endeavour here on planet earth.

    The 'giveaway' is the notion of an 'almighty God' NOT knowing where Adam is.
    Now this is the other 'proof' of this in scriptural terms.

    There are two creation events in Genesis.
    Adam+Eve are created as a 'Two in Oneness' in Genesis by GOD (not Lord God).

    Genesis1:
    26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Now note that there is NO COMMANDMENT what to eat and what not to eat and such things. AdamEve=Us=Them are the TRUE IMAGE of the True GOD.

    Then after this, the sixth day GOD 'retires' for the Sabbath and suddenly the GOD becomes changed to LORD GOD, because ADAM has become GOD in archetype (there is no physical universe as yet).

    Genesis2:
    2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
    5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
    6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
    7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
    9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    Now note, that ADAM is quasi-physically (meaning in say a program of genetics and not as yet as a physical embodiment) created from his AdamEve archetype by the LORD GOD.

    The implication then becomes that next EVE becomes dependent on ADAM as one of his ribs and this in effect destroys the prior metaphysical harmony in the creation, say a perfect YX|XY chromosome reflection becoming YX=male and XX=female, the Y+rib=Y+1=X.

    This also establishes a direct feedback mirror between Adam as God and his creator Lord God.

    The crux of the matter then becomes that the LORD GOD must be a Fake-God WITHIN spacetime confronting a physical Adam+Eve 'mucked up' creation with the REAL GOD remaining in a selfimposed exile outside of spacetime in a Void=Nothingness=Eternity.

    The LORD GOD=Image of Adam WITHIN and the LORD GOD=Image of GOD WITHOUT.



    Genesis.3:
    8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
    9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
    10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself

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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:53 pm

    -------note from poster----------

    providence is quoted from another thread

    ----------------end of note------------


    Providence wrote:
    Hey

    Can you tell me what books you have read or are reading? I have been on a quest since very young and have arrived at similar conclusions you have been discussing on this thread. I am always looking for good books about world religions and spirituality.

    I am particularly interested in the Nag Hammadi texts, and specifically in the Secret Gospel of Thomas. I believe that the metaphorical speach attributed to Jesus was meant to offer something to each listener, dependant on the spirtual maturity and life path of the individual. One very powerful statement made in the Secret Gospel of Thomas which truly resonated with me is this:

    "Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all". Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension

    I read a fair amount of Elaine Pagels work and I have just purchased a book called The Third Jesus by Depak Chopra.

    A note on Christianity... as others have said.. the parallels between Christianity and Mithraism are uncanny. And why shouldn't they be? Mithraism was one of the competing (and popular) belief systems when Christianity was in its infancy. The virgin birth was but one of the many cross-pollinating ideas between the two religions. All completely fascinating.

    One very powerful statement made in the Secret Gospel of Thomas which truly resonated with me is this:


    "Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all".

    Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension

    I read a fair amount of Elaine Pagels work and I have just purchased a book called The Third Jesus by Depak Chopra.

    A note on Christianity... as others have said.. the parallels between Christianity and Mithraism are uncanny. And why shouldn't they be? Mithraism was one of the competing (and popular) belief systems when Christianity was in its infancy. The virgin birth was but one of the many cross-pollinating ideas between the two religions. All completely fascinating.

    Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension



    Richard T. replied:

    He will be disturbed because he will realize that everything he had based his evaluation of reality will dissipate, because he will meet himself at the other hand of the tunnel and realize that who he meets is more real than who he was. His beliefs will be annihilated. He will be astonished because he will find reality to be greater than what he could have imagined, because he will have access to the mysteries, to everything that was hidden, and he will rule because it is through him that what he will have found will rule. All will be ruled, even the hierarchies who work under the laws of domination and who used those laws to render humanity insignificant, limiting it to beliefs and refusing it the right to know.

    All churches, all religions have recuperated the coming of the Nazareen, of the avatar of Pisces, to bend his words to their own advantage and power. All religions have been used within a sphere of comprehension that was limited to beliefs. None have ever really explained, none have ever really unveiled what was behind the words. The words were used as shields against the spirit they carried.

    So that today, those who believe are left with a caricature that they try and imitate.

    The problem is that people don't read by vibration. They study the form and the vibration is replaced with the cultural value of the words, which of course is different according to the diverse transcriptions and translations, to languages that were created within the limited scope of experimental consciousness based on ignorance and manufactured concepts that in turn were used to steer the destiny of nations at the expense of the individuals. So, the spirit of the letter was lost and today people adore the letter as an icon.

    Abraxasinas comments:

    Indeed, this passage in the Gospel of Thomas is the most profound statement ever made by any sentience at any time in the universe.
    This saying did NOT derive from a human or ET mind, but stems from the Cosmic Logos of Creation.

    Anyone understanding this particular saying through a thinking heart and a feeling mind would become enabled to translate the 'hidden meanings' of Jesus' words in the New Testament and so become familiar with his mission as this Logos of the Universe.

    The 'trouble' with the interpretation of Providence is, that heshe assimilated hisher own attempt of decipherment with the 'expertise' of others, such as Elaine Pagels or some theological-historical academic authority or some other 'expert' like Deepak Chopra.
    Iow, the attempt of decipherment becomes an exercise in second-handedness.

    It is ok to do so, but the final illumination cannot be found anywhere, but the World Logos of Jesus itself and in communication with the individual Logos of the discerner.

    The archetypes of Christianity originate from the same source as the symbols of all other religious philosophies like Mithraism, Zoroasterism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam.
    So a convergence of the mythologies is to be expected.

    The 'trouble' with Richard T.'s response is, that he misunderstands the function of vibrational discernment with respect to the processor of this vibration, namely the aformentioned coupling between a thinking heart and a feeling mind (to use one form of labeling).

    The vibrational energy of the saying is omnipresent and for anyone to 'tune into'.
    But this vibrational energy must be PROCESSED by the receiver and if the processor experiences interference from ingrained mindsets, tunnel vision or natural biases as part of individuated worldviews, then the 'vibration' will be filtered by the processor in a personal and egocentric manner.

    Then, and as is the case in Richard T.'s reply, the actual 'Purity of Form' relayed by the archetype cannot be discerned in its most elementary function.

    As a consequence, Richard T.'s first paragraph circumvents the core meaning of the saying.

    "Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all".

    "He will be disturbed because he will realize that everything he had based his evaluation of reality will dissipate, because he will meet himself at the other hand of the tunnel and realize that who he meets is more real than who he was. His beliefs will be annihilated. He will be astonished because he will find reality to be greater than what he could have imagined, because he will have access to the mysteries, to everything that was hidden, and he will rule because it is through him that what he will have found will rule. All will be ruled, even the hierarchies who work under the laws of domination and who used those laws to render humanity insignificant, limiting it to beliefs and refusing it the right to know."

    When one finds (the actual PHYSICAL presence of God within), then the heart-mind (or feeling-intellect) realisation of this as a fact, will OPEN a Channel to the Universal Logos.
    Metaphorically, the 'thinking heart' of the receiver/finder will RESONATE with that of the Cosmic Christ via a mental attunement of the so labeled 'feeling mind'.
    This 'proves' that the saying cannot be understood by the mind, unless the communication between the Individual Logos and the Christ Logos is pure in resonance.
    This process so requires the RECEPTOR MIND of the Finder to reflect the processed information back to the EMITTER MIND and EMITTER HEART of the Source through the EMITTER HEART of the Finder.

    The disturbance (in the mind) eventuates, because suddenly the switching of polarity between mind receiver and heart emitter allows the seeker/finder to be omnipresent and to suddenly appear to accomodate a multiplied personality.

    In practical terms, one is enabled to BE the environment, to BE the ant crawling on the wall or the dog one takes for a walk in the park.

    The astonishment derives from this as a consequence of becoming a hologram of the creation. The environment becomes miniaturized within the seeker/finder and so nothing exists except yourself and then of course you RULE OVER YOURSELF as the Creator-Creation of All That Is.

    This 'rulership' so is not a Lordship over anything else in existence; but in actuality defines the plan of plans of using a protoverse as a seedling universe for many universes to be born from.
    This protoverse is hierarchical in environmental nestings; say your garden graduating to your park, township, city, country, planet, starsystem, galaxy, groupgalaxy, supercluster, universe.

    The seekers/finders so become inaugurated as such multiversal seeds of the archetyped protoverse defining the Creation-Seed before the thing (Physical Godhood) is found by the seeker.

    AA


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    TruthWillSetUFree wrote:

    I have only read a few things on the thread it does not resonate with me especially when he goes into mathmatical equations. For me he could be making it up or copy and pasting something he read. It doesn't matter because I don't read it.

    It looks to be the same way our government is treating us, guilty before proven so, watched by the mods to see it he messes up, like big bro watching us, and I think there is something to be said about free speech in here somewhere, oh yeah, like walking on a very thin line!

    Are we becoming the very thing we say we abhor? Next time you get angry at the way tptb surveil us, or are accused of something you didn't do, or are in jeopardy of losing your free speech, I hope you think of this thread and who you were being here.

    AA I am not advocating what you do here, I wouldn't know what to advocate because I don't understand any of it and I didn't want to. It all sounded like gobbledey gook to me, and frankly I don't want to be a dragon thank you very much.
    I do think you have a place and a role here in PA for those that find your words helpful or inspiring.

    PA is like the world in that we get to choose where we put our attention, what we choose to believe and the people we surround ourselves with. It is our choice and precisely why PA is a good playing ground to practice this discernment.

    If it is not for you walk away if it is enjoy...let's not malign our guests here.

    I believe PA is stong enough on its own with all the good people of love and light to keep the necessary
    vibration of love high, acting like this to another only lowers this vibration of love.

    PA will always be dualistic in nature, that is, it will always be dark and light because that is the nature of our world, you cannot rid yourself of the dark b/c you are part of the dark as well.

    People of light you have your job and that is to be light not worry if other people are of the dark.

    Even Jesus said "Get thee behind me Satan" instead of arguing with him or fighting him. Just be concerned with yourself and your journey.

    I wish everyone love and most of all PEACE

    Truth


    Céline wrote:

    it seems if we dissagree with abrax..or perhaps even challenge his beliefs...we are accused of preventing free speech..

    free speech includes our right to disagree..

    Oh and..i may want him banned...but i am NOT a MOD...juts a person with an opinion..

    Abrax allows me my opinion...why wont others?

    amazing...this thread goes on and on...as long as it is agreeing with it...

    if someone comes in and says...This is not the truth...they are accused of trying to imped free speech...

    i suggest some need a refresher course on what freedom means.

    i have not been mean..i have been honest...and i have offered love to all and to abrax..

    perhaps some may see LionHawks words as abrasive...but...i believe this thread needs what LionHawk is adding...

    does abrax fear contradiction?

    do you?


    TruthWillSetUFree wrote:

    Sweet dear Celine

    Please do not take my words that way.

    I said I didn't resonate with the message here, I was talking about why we have to villify a poster, that is all.

    With all due respect, it seems this is making you quite angry, I don't understand why.

    Words do not have that power over me, ultimately I get to say how an experience goes for me. If a thread ever made me that upset I would look within and try to understand why.

    Love means allowing all to be who they are without making them wrong for it

    Keep being who you are sweet, kind and loving and life will show up according to your perceptions

    Love to you

    Céline wrote:
    i have not tried to villify anyone..

    if i have please forgive this misunderstanding..

    Forgive me as well if you feel i have shared my concerns in a negative way..this is not my intent.

    Love is part of a balance...to negate negative emotions is to prevent balance from occurring....i am not angry at Abrax, i fear the consequence of his agenda.

    i am hurt and intimidated somewhat by people who have expressed that i am in some way trying to prevent free speech..

    Free speech is a very grey affair imho..

    as a parent..i want my kids to be free thinkers but i do NOT allow them to just say anything they please...

    with all my love , Trans... thank you for your patience and your warmth.

    Your words are kind and warm , thank you.

    Myplanet2 wrote:

    Hi Celine.

    I didn't get the idea TruthWSYF was talking about you in the post you quoted with this response.

    The only really disturbing thing I've read since the Spiritual "warrior" returned to hack away at the "evil", is Richard's presumptuous comment that "the jig is up for all to see" and the invitation to "leave with dignity". That was disturbing, as it came from a mod, without taking off the Mod Hat and labeling the personal opinion as such. When Moderator's personal opinions become criteria for control of the forum, then the neighbourhood is gone. That's what schmecked of what I've come to expect from tptb types out in the polarized world of our societies.

    Abraxasinas has exactly the same rights and responsibilities which come with membership here as everyone else.

    Personal biases, prejudices, perspectives, orientations, inclinations, etc, are just that. Personal. Someone doesn't need to be wrong in order for someone else to be right. That's so Old School now, it hardly fits in my consciousness anymore.

    There's room for everyone to state what they see, believe, understand, know, and think, and room must be maintained for others to do so as well, otherwise we exit this game out the bottom once again, instead of out the top for a change.

    I suggest to any mods reading this, to maintain an objective separation between personal and official postings in contentious threads. It was once suggested that if a mod felt compelled to state personal opinions on one "SIDE" or another of an issue, that they go through the visible action of taking off their mod hat first, so all could see it was personal rather than coming from "forum staff".

    Regarding your opinion that Lionhawk brings something needed to the thread, Nobody can dispute that opinion as it's just that. Opinion.

    My opinion, is that Lionhawk brings an ancient and long since dissipated polarity to the present moment which makes me ache, literally, for balance and harmony. Would I deny her that opinion? no. Do I feel it's a needed energy? No, not for the majority. Some late wakers may need that level of polarity to kick start their wake up, but for people like me who have come a long way towards "cleaning up" our various energetic fields and mental bric a brac, it's a lot like extinguishing a match with a tsunami.

    On balance, I consider Abraxasinas as a positive here. The part that doesn't "do it" for me, is as I've stated elsewhere in this thread. Just too complicated for most to grasp. But I don't say that's wrong. Just more a matter of talking over peoples heads.

    I did a guided meditation some months back, which took me to a place of divinity within my sacred heart. It was a space personal to me, where all of my personal records for all of eternity are stored. It's my space. As I roamed the halls of my space, I came across these large pink crystals of my previously stored knowledge. What I discovered, was my key to access to this knowledge. All I had to do, was to aim my attention at these various crystals, and the knowledge within would come pouring out. One of these crystals poured out the exact type of mathematical representations that Abraxasinas posts here. And as with Abraxasinas' scientific postings, I had no clue what I was talking about either. It had the same over my head flavour as Abraxasinas work here does. But since I had my experience with my own personal knowledge base long before Abraxasinas started posting this Thuban material, I can not really discount it as meaningless, simply because I don't understand it. I can't even understand what I myself thought worthy of storing in ages past!!! What it comes down to, is that I am currently using a different "seat" of consciousness than the one I used to work with that data. It doesn't matter that this bit of my consciousness sitting here now doesn't understand it. I certainly understand it on another level where I am not currently consciously aware.

    We are multi dimensional beings who have hidden much of ourselves from ourselves. This is in the process of being undone, by none other than ourselves. But the twilight zone of semi remembrance/semi forgetfulness can be awkward.

    One of the biggest things I have yet to finish my personal processing on is one from the next level of polarization above this taking and enforcing/inhibiting of "sides". It's that I reject others trying to revert people who are emerging from the energy of polarity back down into it, for no other reason than that they are themselves deeply polarized and can see no other way forward, but through the personal mess they have themselves created within their own consciousness. So I guess you could say, I'm polarized against enforced polarization. And it doesn't matter whether it's polarized pro or con the positive or negative. That is no longer of consequence. It's the compulsion to split everything into sides and then take one. That I feel is kind of a been there...done that energy which can now be laid to rest, unless someone feels it's too cuddly to put down just yet.

    Céline wrote:
    i have never argued that point.

    And there is no "right to be here"

    This is NOT a public place...as the MODS have told us members time and time again...


    MyPlanet2...i know you are a very wise and learned person, and i have taken much in from all your posts...

    Being a MOD on PA or PC is not an easy Job..neutrality is not the same as balance..

    i would prefer the MODS be balanced..then neutral..but that is still just an opinion ..and as you stated...it is just simply that..one loving persons opinion...

    Myplanet2 wrote:
    The key word was membership. Everyone has the same rights and responsibilities which come with membership. Membership is not a right, but participation within the guidelines is, once membership is granted. Then the rules apply to all equally, unless they are applied unequally. My point is that mods should not mod on threads where their own issues come into play. I know they know this. It's a bit different for them, because they carry the ban stick around with them, and the regular members don't. So Mods can affect members in ways that members can not affect the mods. And if Mods want to post their positions on one side of an issue or another, they should let people know their are speaking as a member and not as a mod.

    GaiaLove wrote:
    At this time Abraxas is not breaking any guidelines but may be aiding in creating new ones.

    Viking wrote:
    Anyone here (Avalon) with intentions to steer mind towards evil intent will be caught out eventually.

    Oliver wrote:
    Friends, with all due respect, are you serious? "New guidelines"?! "Evil intent"?!
    I will tell you something.

    There is an historical sentence by the notorious Cardinal Richelieu: "Give me any sentence by any person, and i will find a reason to hang him!"

    Also, there is Danthe Alighieri`s verse: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"!

    Be careful, friends...not to enter totalitarian model of thinking.
    Principles of freedom are universal.

    Love&Respect


    beren wrote:

    I will repeat or better quote for you Dragon since you like to borrow from God`s word:

    Genesis 3:15
    So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
    I will put enmity
    between you and the woman,
    and between your offspring and hers;
    he will crush your head,
    and you will strike his heel."


    Your head is crashed Dragon, soon -forever.
    The very day you killed Christ was your last day of existence. Any plea you had was sealed . Your doom is sealed.

    You can quote Jesus`s words and add more to it as many times as you please, He will be your eternal judge.
    Still you can take a form of light ,wisdom and power. But your stench and fruits you bare are highly visible.You are a liar and murderer.

    Remember that cosmic law, a law from Creator?
    What you sow -that you reap.

    You sowed lie, murder,deceit,evil.

    You will reap eternal condemnation.
    Your destruction will be an example forever in the entire universe that there is no other power and there is no other who can be called god or creator -than the one who created all.
    There is no other power than love.

    -------note from poster---------

    Anchor at the time was a senior moderator

    ----------end of note-------------------

    Anchor wrote:
    Prehaps Lionhawk should set up his own thread and answer questions that pertain to his own wisdom and knowledge.

    We always see polarised views expressed on this forum, Lionhawk is just as capable as catalysing them as abraxasinas (recent posts proove my point) - or if we put the effort into to it, you me or anyone else.

    It is my belief that NO HARM IS BEING DONE BY THIS THREAD.

    My challenge/question to those who wish to answer it is, if you think that assertion is wrong - back it up.

    A..


    Céline wrote:

    back it up..

    ok fair enough .

    May i ask though to clarify what you mean as proof? Do you wish to see documentation? A presentation on my point of view?


    i also ask if you , Anchor , could respond to me in private..

    firstly ..i feel vulnerable, when i expose my points of view to publicly..and secondly, i am tired of hijacking abraxas's thread and being the focus of peoples anger.

    i have no issue with criticism, i actually thrive on it..i want to know more and learn to ...understand this and other points of view.

    Yes i agree Lionhawk should start his own thread.

    i also want to encourage abraxas to read and comment on other peoples threads...You may learn something about us, that could surprise you abraxas.

    i know this thread takes up a lot of your time, but there is so much more to PA , then just your soapbox...

    in hopes to hear from you soon Anchor...

    *celine steps off the soap box and goes back to her flowers*



    ellie wrote:
    I cannot speak for other members but a lot of Abrax's posts are exceedingly difficult for me to even try to work out. I don't think I have got a high enough IQ to even try to put his posts into something I can understand.

    The crux of the matter is I am trying to figure out where he is coming from and just when I think I could be, I read another of his posts and I am back to square one.

    If he could put it in simple words for me to understand exactly What the Thuban Council is, what they are trying to say and how that can help me or other people on their journey I would be very appreciative of it.

    You know I will say it, if I could get it in laymen's terms it would be helpful to me. I seem to going round and round in circles getting nowhere, sometimes plain and simple for a lot of us would be a big help.

    Anchor wrote:
    There is no shame in this. I dont think many people understand everything that is said on this thread (ie: said by abraxasinas or for that matter many others posting here).

    One of the core themes is that you know all this stuff already and there is a sort of tuning process going on.

    If I sense this correctly, Abraxasinas, as the Thuban representative Sirebard Beardris, is operating here under the maxim of non infringement of freewill. One of us (it doesnt matter who) has to ask questions -thus giving "permission" for triggered data releases to be encoded here in our language for us all to read.

    Each of us, in addition to the original questioner is entirely allowed, at thier own option to accept or reject any such data.

    It is entirely possible that for the moment, many of us may not be able to tune to the essence of the data and its wider meaning. Thats ok. It doesnt matter. There is plenty of other things to see and do

    One can be illuminated by a passage of an otherwise obsure text in much the same way as a butterfly can land on you and then fly off again, and in doing so start a cascade of thoughts leading you to an important conclusion. Inspiration comes in many ways - one of them, for some, are a few of the posts on this forum and by extention this thread.

    The notion that any of the above is in someway malevolent or evil is, in my opinion, a fear based reaction. This reaction is based on a misunderstanding or, or mistuning to what is being said and some projections based on life experience and the natural distortions that we as humans are working our way through at this time.

    It is all ok.

    A..

    Anchor wrote:
    Celine,

    Sorry, my comment was not aimed at you specifically. It was a mistake for me to comment your post in this way - I was not singling you out and I am sorry I posted that way, it was an error.

    Everyone,

    I am not asking for proof - I did not use that word. I just wanted to see more than innuendo and would like specific examples of things or characterstics that people are seeing on this thread that would/could cause harm or be "negative" - or be an "abomination to what PA stands for".

    I am very aware that there are people (members and moderators alike) on this forum that do not like the influence that abraxasinas's thread has commanded over an area of the forum; or the perceived message/agenda contained in this thread. Personally my suggestion would be to fight fire with fire in this regard, simply come up with something equally popular and thought provoking.

    I am especially interested in why people feel it right to choose what should or should not be permitted in the attempt at answering legitimate questions posed on the forum - which contains within its purpose debate and understanding of humanities future spiritual and energetic evolution.

    Many have dismissed abraxasinas's information and I fully delight in the freewill that allows this, many have not - and it cuts both ways. I for one, without exercising any admin/moderator bias, find abraxasinas's posts interesting, and I fail to see any harm coming from them.

    Lionhawk has posted an equally interesting series of messages that I find are somewhat confrontational in nature but are done in a considered way that does not damage or at this point attack or cause harm (thus they stand).

    It is clear that Lionhawk's repositories of information are deeper than average and I would like to see more come from that (please!) - maybe on a different thread.

    GaiaLove wrote:
    Abrax, the jig is up, for all to see. The Honorable thing to do is leave with dignity.

    Anchor wrote:
    I don't see it, which is why I am asking for it to be spelled out. In what way is there a risk of dishonor? (A serious question for a serious accusation)

    Personally all this talk of changing the forum guidelines in a way that would not permit this kind of thread is not fair, nor (in my view) substantially accurate.

    A..

    GaiaLove wrote:
    I cannot spell it out more than I already have in the past.
    I am very intuitive and when this person first posted here many will remember my reaction.
    I stand by it. I know evil when i sense it.
    I am not in a position to do what should be done so I watch and wait.
    It is, a matter of time.
    I just hope the damage is repairable


    LionHawk wrote:

    Greetings.

    When I first posted up on this thread, I had no idea that this thread had bothered many here. But apparently I wasn't the only one where those flags went up. Now I have stated that Abrax here as done an amazing and blazing amount of work that is way impressive. I'm not taking that away from him. I wish there were more people who would write their own original work with some substance than a lot of the dodo that get's copied and pasted up. I am more interested in experiences from those I know instead of someone I don't know. All I ask is that you do it with integrity. Otherwise, I can just turn on the TV and get some manurey type story, saving your time and mine.

    You know..............you can't help but see some of the responses with your name on it. And for the sake of the Mods, and to be as respectful as I can be, what I will say is that some of those responses are only from lack of awareness and or experiences. If we all had the same experiences and the same awareness, there would be nothing to give us a separate character. What remains here is that I am who I am and you are who you are. Some of us have been warriors. Some have not. It all depends on what stations you chose for soul growth. You also can tell who is a warrior and who is not. I am not the only warrior here. Then again, I also know my way out of a barn. I could say that not only am I hacking at evil but I would rather not be hacking at the manure being pooped out by someone who had a hussy fit and left and only came back when I left. Now that I have returned, hacking at evil, as I was accused of, I find the same cow pooping again. Hilarious really. Also just a distraction from what is really going on here.

    Now to walk in a Dragon's Den is a little different than a barn. At least in a barn you know that manure management is usually in the stalls. But in a Dragon's den your guess is as good as mine. And mind you Abrax that this analogy that came from someone's conscience and not mine.

    Someone also tried the group lynch mob scenario technique as to imply we all felt the same way about this thread. I have only one question for that person. How many barbecues have you been too? I think everyone has their own feelings here. Everyone should be able to express what that is. You don't have to like it. But it should be respected as long as it is tactfully done. I say that because what I have seen demonstrated took courage to do and it was done straight up. Even if I don't agree with what was expressed or even if I do, is not the point here. Someone showed a lot of true grit and character by voicing what was bothering this person and this person was at least honest about that. I can work with that any day of the week as compared to others doing the back stabbing or pooping in your way. At least I know where I stand in either case. That showed heart to do that.

    Now back to the issues at hand. I asked what needed to be asked. At least the question that no one else here did ask. They at least now know the chicken is out of the bag and someone did ask the question. The question that they never did want you to ask. Think on that.

    Here's another deal for you. You know why some or a lot of this doesn't make sense for you? Because it is from their paradigm and not yours. It's almost like going to China and not knowing the language, the customs and traditions, and here you are trying to bridge all that with some Chinese person who doesn't speak good English. Same analogy but the same kind of results. All these different Arch types are also vying for position in the now. What I now have determine is that one shoe doesn't fit all. And most of them are trying to define you in their shoe box. When you are not in their shoe box to begin with. That is also why my valid questions that I posed were not answered. Also as to why the question of AKA was so far off the mark with the answer that was presented. Why, because he doesn't know who I am and doesn't have access to that by using the channels that are available to him. There must be a reason.

    So what is it going to be? Ascension or Dragonhood? And why would anyone in their right mind choose to go from an Oxygen based life form to a Hydrogen based life form? Why move into a lower density element? Why deny yourself the process of creation that the Creator had already intended for you in the first place? To compromise that process by being exposed to a belief system that will not be sustainable within the future of this Universe? You think the grass is greener over there? These same beings who were banished here and you are going to go kiss their butts after all they have done to our human soul family. And the innuendo that I am coming from a hateful mind. What? I got to say that again. What? Excuse me! I came here to this thread to establish a truce and an answer to all parties involved. I didn't come here to start a war. I am trying to avoid one. While Abrax is here dazzling you with his brilliance, maneuvers are taking place right now, right under your noses, and someone wants to make stupid comments about how disturb he is by me showing back up. What? That doesn't even compare to what is being played behind the scenes and if you think researching it on line, makes you a complete researcher, we are all going to be doomed with that kind of mind set. I also don't care what anyone thinks of me. I didn't come here to be popular. I'm not running for office. I don't take my orders from anyone on this Planet. I am here as many of you are to assist in the ascension of Gaia. That is my agenda.

    I am also sorry that the many who are trying to learn think everybody is doing the same thing they are doing. You always learn but some of us have graduated and that is hard for most to understand or even accept. They think we should be like them staying in school. For some of us school is like over with and you have to go finally walk the walk instead of talking the talk. Experience is getting out of that chair and putting what you know in some form of action. If you stay in the chair to long, you will be conditioned to just reacting. Kind of like sitting in front of a theater screen watching a movie.

    Another thing I want to point out is that it would seem we are the prize. All the agendas I have seen point to that. So it is my position at this time to see where this Dragon goes as if you know the basics, an agenda is at work here. By what numbers I have seen, he has a tough job ahead as far as the recruitment process. The number ratios indicate that. And I am a supporter of free speech and no rules as none are needed when things are approached with honor and respect for others.

    Alex Collier mentions a new place of knowing. Establish one. You want to do it in this thread, then you might want to ask for the credentials first. Which was skipped in my mind. So don't go blaming other people for your feelings when you didn't take any responsibility to ask those basic questions in the first place. If you can't get verification from this council and at least have an introductory meeting to establish your Dragonhood club, then consider what you haven't been considering.

    My apologies Dragon. You left me not much of a choice here, but I understand why. I bid you another great day and I hope there are no feathers in your chicken dinner. (Innuendo) that was the name of the chicken. And I guess all of my questions have been answered by not what was answered.

    Lionhawk leaves the den.

    gscraig wrote:
    I think this is all a parade, and some may be enticed to call me "rain" after reading this post. Correction, I know it is a parade indeed…..

    When this thread was first posted, I took issue immediately because it reminded me of others such as Hidden Hand. However, we all have the right of expressing in whatever way we choose, but I believe we all are missing what should be seen here. I've tried things like this before, but sometimes you can't show people what they choose not to see.

    All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

    Why?

    Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions? By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

    If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence.

    Most of you viewing this thread, will not feel or be any closer to any answer or understanding in general, after reading and asking questions on this thread. What’s does that tell you? *Distraction would be a good start.

    Ultimately, if there is a grand message to be delivered to humanity, it will simply be delivered, and not become a Q&A session through posters on a forum whom you cannot see or hear.
    This also applies to the Hidden Hand material. First HH told everyone what the rules would be before they proceeded. Unfortunately, many blindly “obeyed”. Secondly, HH stated that they were allowed to communicate (per the royal bloodlines/illumined elders, etc) information to us. We should have then immediately allowed HH to communicate the information. Period. Instead of being told and then agreeing through cooperation to the premise of “I can only tell you what you ask me”. Again, the answer can be what they want you to receive, but it could never be the truth from A-Z or the centuries old Illuminati gig would be up. Get it?

    So,…Why allow these messengers the time? Distractions indeed.
    Please step out of this gullible and slave mindset, and understand that if there is to truly be a pure messenger for the better good of all of humanity, it will not be in such a fragmented format and from individuals whom you don’t know, and can’t confirm. To be honest, it could be someone whom is simply VERY informed on what they believe and studied, therefore being able to hold a Q&A with you. However, again, we have to pause and notice that it is in actuality -WHAT THEY BELIEVE- (or what they want YOU to believe). We all know what that means very well, don’t we?...Another belief system is born and amongst us to ponder. Please......Do not participate with anything that upholds conflicting and confusing information/messages or agendas. For it will simply cause you to pause and miss what you should really be paying attention to.

    I shared this in a post a while back, which I think applies here as well...
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    It is now as if the ET's aren't intelligent enough to realize that they are bombarding us with too many messages through different vessels and ambassadors which is making the message untrustworhy, mundane and negligent. I don't think they’re that dumb or desperate to demonstrate such a level of disorganization and flawed contemplation.
    Do you really think they are staying out of sight for centuries to not impede on our free will, but yet hit us with message and messenger after message and messenger? Please, enough with this hoax and those whom are acquaintances of such efforts. Yes, as I’ve said this before, there are some whom job is to support such nonsense to give it life and credibility on these forums. You have to really look to know what’s going on.

    Stop letting outsiders hold court in your kingdoms.

    We all choose our paths to focus our intent, but I would like to strongly encourage you to null and void these sporadic "approved messengers and messages" that just so happens to be sprouting up now, oppose to years ago when it would have allowed humanity the time to digest and evolve from messages intended to provoke the greatest good for all.

    Céline wrote:
    *smiles as the light grows bright *

    Oh thank You...my feelings are so hard sometimes to translate to words...i am humbled and honored to share this world with people like you gscraig...thank You


    *celine points to the quoted comment and says to Anchor...that is why*

    Myplanet2 wrote:
    Referencing some of the side discussion, and without meaning to hold this thread off topic, there are some underlying energetic plays working themselves out here and pretty much everywhere that people doing something towards aiding themselves and others in this shift are interacting to compare notes.

    I don't know of a single truthful individual who would say they weren't having a struggle to integrate the changes they are co-creating.

    The illusory interface between us has been dissolving. We used to have a much easier time hiding differences than we do now. We each create our own reality, and when we agree with one another, (by frequency matching) we form collectives where co-action and co-creation occur, exactly as planned.

    But many of our "agreements" are now under review, because we can no longer really use the mental trick of cognitive dissonance to blend the perceived but overlooked differences. We are being required to move towards personal honesty and integrity, and we set it up that way. The illusions are dissolving and we are why that is happening.

    A big example of this phenomenon on this forum is in the differences between those who have recognized the "internal" nature of all struggles, and those who still try to hold them "outside" of themselves. Those who've done their work, (as opposed to those who think they have) can clearly trace every perceived external struggle, contest, conflict, flare up, etc, to a personal internal issue, as it's total source. You can not even perceive let alone fully experience what you are not the vibration of. You see a battle in heaven going on? Right now and right here? Well then you have your own battle integrating your selected "sides" back into a harmonious whole, at the level of your own divine self.

    If you are off chasing old demons, as though they are some external beasts which have an agenda of their own which can be in opposition to your own self and your own wishes, then you have simply not recognized how cleverly you have avoided bringing your process home to where it belongs. Every such struggle is only, and can only ever be within you. What messes you up in your attempt to rectify this, is that the law of attraction actually works. If you have failed to calm your internal struggles, they will manifest, because that is the loudest "order to the universe" that you are broadcasting.

    The illusions we created, with lots of help and co-operation, have been nearly complete in their apparent authenticity. We did a good job of tricking ourselves into believing these constructions were real. What's real is you and I. That's all. You and I are real, the rest is illusion.

    The illusion is now dissolving. The veil is dissolving, and we are left here with the illusory mechanisms chugging away, like the wizard behind the curtain, and we can see through the illusions we placed to enable blending of differing points of view and perspectives.

    Think of it this way. Let's say these illusions and their supporting mechanisms were analogous to "manners" and "etiquette" in our social interactions. The manners and etiquette Grease the wheels of our interactions, and permit us to forego the brutal honesty which would otherwise be sitting right there. We say "don't you look good today" while thinking "cake has been very good to you". Or whatever. You know what I mean. Manners smooth social interaction so we can pretend what's really going on behind the scenes, isn't.

    Well to continue the analogy, let's say people could suddenly no longer ignore the true intentions and feelings of people using "manners". What would that be like? The grease would no longer smooth the way, and social interactions would become strained.

    In a broader sense, this is what is happening in our broader co-inhabited/co-created environment. We've been able to blend the differences between our varying perspectives and viewpoints and orientations and chosen styles of play, into a homogenized illusory mix which was satisfying.

    Now it's more like "hey...you're wrong about that. That's not the way it is at all. You're full of it." "You're dropping cow poop, while my magnificent self wields this gleaming sword of righteousness!"

    The thing of it is, that every one of us has been creating our own illusions as the cloak of our game piece in this grand play we've been engaged in. Now, we've collectively decided that this game was lots of fun, but is pretty much in the 'been there...done that' box. So we decided to ease ourselves out of it and create a new one. But as the veil disappears, all or our formerly homogenized realities, are no longer blended and we're being forced, by our own decisions and actions, to drop the illusions and wake up to who we truly are.

    The polarity in play is internal/external. One is the way of return to self determination as a creator, they other is to fully embrace the victim consciousness, and finally go for the all out battle to end all battles, or whatever name it's being called these days. You either see that it's your creation, or you see some agency outside of yourself is doing the creating, and you are part of the creation and were at some point created. This one is a tough one, because it traces all the way up the line. ALL the way up the line. Which is why it'll be the last one resolved, if it even is in this round of play. It could be that this is the source of the split in timelines many have noticed recently. It could be that some number wish to continue with the illusion that "outside" can impact "inside", and those of us who are truly moving on, will simply create a new playpen somewhere else, and at a different frequency range, where the polarities are not a factor as dissonant or disharmonious elements in the game.

    So the observant can see a couple of fairly broad groups which on the surface appear opposed, but in reality are simply approaching their play from opposite ends of the spectrum. We created this place for contrast. And we have full choice and freedom to place ourselves anywhere within that contrast. Those of us who are fulfilled and satisfied with our experiences in contrast, are moving out of them, which necessarily involves recognizing our part in the creation of the play in the first part. If some choose to dally, that is their choice to make. No one can judge another for their choices. Because that is just judgement of ourself for when we made the same choice and weren't particularly happy with the outcome.

    The major difference is in whether one has recognized them self as the creator of their reality, or whether they choose to hold onto the "been done to and going to continue to be done to" attitude of the victim.

    The loudest voices advocating battling the forces of evil, are actually the terrified little children who've been handed their heads to them once too often in this "OH SO SERIOUS" game of contrast in polarity.

    As to Thuban? I don't know yet. I've confirmed the existence of Thuban with my higher guides. But so far don't know how this all lines up. I get mixed signals, personally. Those I have contact with, which I'm satisfied are here for my highest good, repeat often that no being from their level of existence will come and tell us how it's going to be. They uniformly and without exception, maintain our sovereign right to choose without limitations imposed from without, with the only governor being we must also respect the choices of all others. So I don't personally allow that any group is going to come in and give or grant us anything. They can come and participate with us as long as they respect us as equals. otherwise... there's the door, thank you very much.

    I see higher truths shining through the Thuban material, but it's just so seemingly difficult to contact. As though it's truly foreign or alien. But that doesn't make it good or bad, right or wrong, or any other polarized thing. It just means it's new here. So I won't judge, unless or until my personal criteria are violated. Which is free choice for us, without limit.

    I have personal recent experience with true "Dragon" Consciousness, and things have changed from the days of old. I came upon it quite circuitously, and prior to Thuban's arrival on this forum. I suggest setting aside judgement based on old and dried up archetypes of Dragons as enslaving lizards with an imperialist bent. Much has changed. Where it reminds some of how it used to be, it is simply remembrance mixed with projection.

    We are free to move forward by our own choice. outside interference is not a factor. We have the eyes of all of existence on us right now. Any major power plays and interference is coming from our midst. It's not coming from without. That's a projection from that place of victimhood. Humans are the ones trying to steer the outcome this way or that. The ET's who are involved here, are all in some way related to us consciously/genetically and are permitted to work their own agenda's as we are part of them or they are part of us or however you want to look at it. Soul level agreements govern their interactions with us. And we will more fully see that as the veil dissolves the rest of the way, over the next while. The process is being driven along at an often uncomfortable pace, because certain clearings must have taken place amongst a certain balancing proportion of the beings incarnated here on earth. We ourselves provided for friends who would not be drawing a veil of forgetfulness around themselves, to come here at this time to act as alarm clock and gently shake us out of our illusory slumber. We asked them to do this service, because we knew we wouldn't remember. So here they are, channeling through those who arranged to carry out that function in prior agreements, with news of the arrival of the time we preset for our wake up call, and reminders of who we are apart from the illusory cling-ons of artifacts from our 3D playing.

    If you believe there is a huge all important battle taking place, great. Have fun with that. The outcome is the same, no matter what path you select in your personal journey. But if you don't think there is any big battle going on, then for you there isn't. Just don't buy into the propaganda that you're in grave danger if you ignore their game. That's just B.S. THEY are in danger if THEY ignore it, because that is the game they are playing. But we all have choice now, and You can simply choose a peaceful, lovely, calm, embracing ascension into your next selected realm of existence for your primary seat of consciousness, and the noise from this distant battle will be like a nearly remembered dream.

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    Post 1210

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:25 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    abraxasinas...I haven't been following this thread...due to it's difficulty, complexity, and obscurity. I have wished to take a couple of days to focus on it exclusively. The time may have arrived for me to do so. I wish to see both the forrest and the trees. Thank-you for taking so much of your time to answer everyone's questions. Forgive me if a lot of the following questions have already been asked. To me...taking a long, hard look at Solar System Governance (SSG) is the key to extricating ourselves from this mess. This includes looking at who controls DUMB and Secret Space Program activities throughout the Solar System. It includes an honest and penetrating look at Theology and Theocracy. It includes why we are here...and how we got here...and any major ancient or contemporary binding deals which were cut with Human or Non-Human Races. There may be some deals and situations which have existed for thousands (or millions?) of years...which may be nearly impossible to get out of.

    If we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...what are our options...exactly?

    Simple ortho, internalise the lot. Put the 'Grey Guards' as a galactic hive-race into a cell in your kneecap and 'imprison' them within yourself in a metaphorical association and a topographical map-making.
    You can map entire continents in an atlas, thus is the nature of a holographic universe.


    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Are various Earth Nations in league with various competing Alien Nations?

    Yes, the alien nations map onto the kingdoms of the minerals, the flora and the fauna found on this planet. As the environmental vectors 'compete', so do the aliens.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Who really and truly are the three major factions in this Solar System?

    You appear to have made up your mind about them. It is now your responsibility to 'map' them and to 'give them live' in your capacity of the cocreatorship.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    We need to look at the very deep and hidden underlying factors, factions, and individuals who really determine what goes down in this Solar System. Who really writes the scripts. Someone does. I keep feeling that we are running out of time...and that we are actually living on borrowed time. I feel that we should beware of Cornered Megalomaniacs. If we push their buttons...they might push some very nasty buttons. The answer...my friend...may be deep beneath the Western United States...and the United States of America may have very little to do with it. Is the Subterranean United States really Babylon?

    The United States is clearly archetyped as the 'Church of Laodicea' in Revelation. Away from this definition, many associations and correlations can be made by individual co-creators of the physical-emotional-mental realities. These labelings then are not required to be congruent in a general convergence of the 'individual creative licences' of the authorships.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the Annunaki? With Nibiru? With Aldebaran? With Sirius A? With Sirius B? With the Pleiades? With Andromeda? With Interdimensional Reptilians? With the Greys? With ET Humans?

    All of this is 3rd and 4th order labeling and your labels would be as valid as anyone elses on this level of the taxonomy.
    I have given the higher (2nd) order labelings, linked to say the four beasts of Revelation and according to Thuban before:

    North=Earth of Arcturus=Bull of Luke=Pachyderms of Samaria
    West=Air of Sirius=AngelMan of Matthew=Canines of Jerusalem
    South=Water of Pleiades=ScorpioEagle of John=Cetaceans of Jonah
    East=Fire of Andromeda=Lion of Mark=Felines of Judah

    1=KHU=SPIRIT=ELECTROMAGNETOMONOPOLIC WORMHOLE RADIATION
    2=AB=HEART=VIBRATORY RESONANCE SOURCESINK EIGENSTATE
    3=SAHU=YANGMIND=BODYWAVE=PARTICLEWAVE QUANTUMNATURE
    4=BA=SOUL=HOLOGRAPHIC SELFSIMILAR WAVICLE MERKABAH
    5=SEKHEM=YINMIND=WAVEBODY=WAVICULAR QUANTUMNATURE
    6=KA=ASTRAL MINDBODY=INERTIAPHOTONIC VIBRATORY EIGENSTATE
    7=KHAT=BODY=SINKSOURCE INERTIAL RESONANCE SELFSTATE

    1=Kinship of WhiteSkins of Father-Sky in a Rainbow Arcticus Cyani
    2=Kinship of BlackSkins of Mother-Earth in a Rainbow Antarcticus Magenti
    3=Kinship of GreenSkins of Elemental-Child in a Rainbow Indianus Oceanis
    4=Kinship of YellowSkins of Elemental Fire of the Lights in a Rainbow Pacificus Boreas OutSim
    5=Kinship of BrownSkins of Elemental Earth of the Lands in a Rainbow Atlanticus Eurus InSim
    6=Kinship of BlueSkins of Elemental Air of the Winds in a Rainbow Pacificus Auster InSim
    7=Kinship of RedSkins of Elemental Water of the Seas in a Rainbow Atlanticus Zephyrus OutSim

    1='The Land of my Lost Sheep and my Found Goat'=EPHESUS---{Revelation.2.1-7}
    2='The Land of my Origins in the RNA'=SMYRNA---{Revelation.2.8-17}
    3='The Land of my Grapes and Sounds in Om and Noises'=PERGAMOS---{Revelation.2.12-17}
    4='The Land of my Theatres and my Crowns'=THYATIRA---{Revelation.2.18-29}
    5='The Land of my Rising in Sadness and Hope'=SARDIS---{Revelation.3.1-6}
    6='The Land of my Oracles of Love and Poles'=PHILADELPHIA---{Revelation.3.7-13}
    7='The Land of my Loaded Dice and Lead in Coins'=LAODICEA---{Revelation.3.8-22}

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Zionism? Teutonic Zionism? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

    Your labels are as good and valid as mine.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the United Nations? The Vatican? The City of London? Washington D.C.?

    All of them.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    What are the ten most important binding documents, agreements, covenants, and treaties in the Solar System?

    The 10 principalities as published here numerous times.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?

    All of them.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Who are the Founders or the Ancients? Where are they? Who are they loyal to? Who is loyal to them?

    Alex Collier calls them the Paa Taal. I call them the Thubanese. many ETs circling the earth know them as the timetravelling starhumans.


    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Are the exotic 'Secret' Technologies and Nuclear Weapons Really Ancient Human Technologies?

    No.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Are the 'thus saith the Lord' statements in the Old Testament really Reptilian statements?

    Yes, basically this is correct if you qualify your statememnt by understanding that these (analytic) 'Reptilians' are NOT 3D entities, but astral and etheric entities. These 'Reptilians' are however physical in the fauna you can observe in a reptilian park or a zoo or the wild.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    What is the true nature of Original Sin and the War in Heaven?

    Good question ortho. SIN=IGNORANCE Period. The 'war in heaven' is a war of archetypes between the True God and the usurper God, who IS the true God's Image in a Mirror. Understanding this, will allow you to understand what the unified duality or polarisation represents in the greater order of things.
    YOU ortho are BOTH God physicalised AND imaged in a Devil-God in the mirror you are looking into.
    So 'shattering the false images' in a archetypical mirror (the SEA in Revelation from which the 'Great Beast of Babylon' ascends from) will HEAL the cosmic fakery.
    The 'war in heaven' so circularises a linearised system in the Red Dragon BLENDING with a Blue (Christ Dragon) to neutralize the colours in triplicities:
    Red+Green+Blue=White (in Radiation) AND =Black (in Paint)
    Anticolours are:
    Cyan/Skyblue+Magenta+Yellow=White (E=hf quantum law) AND =Black (E=mc^2 Einstein law).

    The 'chucking out' of the Red Dragon from heaven (Revelation.12) onto the earth so allows this BLENDING to become happenstance in the earthplane as a miniature universe.
    This frees heaven (the ETs 'above the earth plane) but puts the pressure onto the earth - for the processing and the 'war on earth' - between spiritual archetypes (it does NOT have to be physical, but will be, because the earthlings do not understand the power of the archetypes).

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This Solar System?

    You may name them yourself in your ambassadorship of Adam and as a Son of God {Genesis.2.19}.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This World?

    The dozing and slumbersome humanoids.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Who owns and operates the Solar System?

    God, the Logos and the Laws of Nature.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Who is Babylon in modernity?

    You are - and your brother and Jim Smith and Sharon Jones.

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Who owns Humanity?

    You do - and your brother and Jim Smith and Sharon Jones.

    AA

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    Post 1211

    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:27 pm

    Anchor wrote:
    There is no shame in this. I dont think many people understand everything that is said on this thread (ie: said by abraxasinas or for that matter many others posting here).

    One of the core themes is that you know all this stuff already and there is a sort of tuning process going on.

    If I sense this correctly, Abraxasinas, as the Thuban representative Sirebard Beardris, is operating here under the maxim of non infringement of freewill. One of us (it doesnt matter who) has to ask questions -thus giving "permission" for triggered data releases to be encoded here in our language for us all to read.

    This is the core of the situation Anchor, yes, thank you.
    The point is also, that once a question on some topic has been asked, the answer to this particular question can be elaborated upon and much data can so be given.
    I also may state decisively, that the technicalities in the data are, as you and say myplanet2 have realised, NOT unknown to everyone becoming exposed to this information.

    There are three basic levels of human consciousness.
    The Waking consciousness is 293 parts from 343 or so 85.423%.
    The Subconscious is 49 parts in 343 or so 14.286% and the superconscious is 1 part in 343 or so 0.29%.

    So on the superconscious level, the Thuban data is universally known BY ALL on this forum, skeptics and beneficers alike.

    But the 86% will DOMINATE the human processor in the 3D mentality in most cases; especially when it comes to 'reading words', ideas and concepts.
    Forum participators here represent a 100fold contraction relative to the general populance; not in having 'less ego', but in having more 'allowance' to at least 'CONSIDER' certain, often called esoteric information.

    Nevertheless, the actual processing of these 'Dragon Words' is at an introductory level, slowly engendering the subconscious 14% to allow the awakening of the superconscious.

    Shalom to All - the 'spiritual work' required is being done.

    AA


    Anchor wrote:
    Each of us, in addition to the original questioner is entirely allowed, at their own option to accept or reject any such data.

    It is entirely possible that for the moment, many of us may not be able to tune to the essence of the data and its wider meaning. Thats ok. It doesnt matter. There is plenty of other things to see and do

    One can be illuminated by a passage of an otherwise obsure text in much the same way as a butterfly can land on you and then fly off again, and in doing so start a cascade of thoughts leading you to an important conclusion. Inspiration comes in many ways - one of them, for some, are a few of the posts on this forum and by extention this thread.

    The notion that any of the above is in someway malevolent or evil is, in my opinion, a fear based reaction. This reaction is based on a misunderstanding or, or mistuning to what is being said and some projections based on life experience and the natural distortions that we as humans are working our way through at this time.

    It is all ok.

    A..

    All is Ok - the Council of Thuban and I agree and the below is YOUR STORY and reason for BEING Here at this point in timespace.

    WE BECOMING - The Story of a Gnostic Charm of a Pearl of Wisdom

    Once upon a time, I lived in the land of my father and my mother and my brother.
    Because I was so young and inexperienced, I had to go into a foreign land of great
    perils, dangers and temptations - to learn many things and also to help my parents.

    My dear father had lost a precious pearl there a long time ago, when he was visiting that foreign land to court and marry my mother.
    Yet my father knew that he would lose his most dearest treasure in meeting my
    mother.

    Alas, he was so lonely in his castle and he wanted children and no fair maiden
    could be found anywhere in his kingdom.
    So my dear father sacrificed his pearl for a family and sent his sons and daughters to
    retrieve it for him when the appropriate time had come.

    My dear brother, being next in rank, came into the perilous land to meet the serpent-
    king who had found my father's pearl and who guarded it very jealously.
    My brother was however the result of my father's loss and so after becoming our
    parent's pride and joy, he had to return to the kingdom without our father's precious
    pearl.

    Many years did pass , but when the time was right, our parents desired to regain
    their common treasure, the pearl my father had used to love my mother and to beget
    their firstborn son; and I was asked to go and see what I could do.
    Before I left the kingdom, my parents gave me a thing to take , nothing really, but
    yet a heavy burden because of its lightness; it was so light I could carry it all by
    myself.
    But my wonderfully fitting clothes I left behind, when I set out to search for my
    parent's lost treasure.

    And so I parted from my guides as soon as I had entered the perilous land of the
    dragon and proceeded to do the solitary work my parents had sent me to do.
    I was a stranger to all the people except one after my own kind, an inheritor of the
    ancient crafts and wisdom and a daughter of the kings and queens of old.
    Her I trusted and she and I agreed on taking care of each other in the dangers we
    would be facing from the many monsters and dwellers in the serpent's land.

    For that purpose I put on my unclean clothes, so as not to arouse suspicion towards
    myself.
    But they cunningly found out to themselves that I had come from a foreign land; they
    beguiled me and I forgot my work and my heart fell asleep as I served their dragon
    king.

    But the love of my parents and the memories of my past were written in my heart,
    so that I would not forget what I had come to do when I had left my king and queen.
    My parents got deeply concerned about my sleeping my time away and it was
    decreed, at the gates of our kingdom, that a message should be sent to me.

    The letter was signed by my father who wished for me to think of him, and by my
    mother who had waved me good-bye and had asked for my love; and by my brother
    who craved to help me in my work.

    The message I received came by way of an eagle, the emblem of my brother's
    testimony regarding the honour, the grace and the beauty of our mother.
    And just before my brother did return from his birthplace, did he ask me to provide for
    our mother and to look after her many inheritances.

    And so the same right hand of my father which had the power to seal and which he
    had used to court my mother, this same hand had sealed the message for me in a
    strange melody of song and speech.

    I awoke to this wondrous happening; I kissed the messenger and I fell in love.
    And my love remembered my heart and the broken seal revealed the way to fulfil my
    mission of retrieving my dear father's lost pearl.

    And so I used my magic to enchant the terrible and snorting serpent.
    The charming thoughts of my unsealing lulled the dragon to sleep when my father's
    name became the serpent's name and my brother's name moved a little and my
    mother's name was joined to the name of the next in rank.

    And so did I take my dear father's lost treasure from the dragon who snorts and
    who bites his very own tail.
    I took off my unclean clothes from that foreign country and proceeded on my mending
    journey back home towards the east.
    My unsealed letter remained next to me, like a Beloved and guided all my ways.

    When I had arrived home, I put on my beautifully fitting garments, which I had left
    behind and in the care of minders and I suddenly realised the unity and altogetherness
    of my very own self.
    Two could be apart, each with its own burden, and yet two could be together as one
    in two and two in one.
    And my clothes were moving with the wisdom and the words of all in one and one in
    all and I perceived the acts of my upbringing in my father's house to relate to my own
    growing selfhood.

    And my love had urged me on to meet the minders of my garments and I relished
    the beauty of their colours and the royal splendour of the movements of the him in
    her and the insights of the she in him.

    Then I ascended to the gate of my dear father's great love and adoring her, heshe
    received us joyfully in herhis queendom and our dear Father was so happy, that we
    had brought our precious pearl to our Mother.

    Greetings and Love from the Shalom in Exile!

    John of Patmos
     

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    Post  Guest on Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:40 pm

    gscraig wrote:
    All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

    Why?

    Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions? By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

    If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence .

    GaiaLove wrote:
    abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

    Anchor wrote:
    Post 1211 indirectly refers - I already mentioned the freewill maxim - abraxasinas concurred.


    beren wrote:
    People you all have a brain inside your skull.
    Use it.

    Think logically for a second now, everything surrounding us has a reason why it exist,move,dance,breathe,live.

    There are forces unseen and laws unseen but mathematically present and very alive,people know that.

    So use logic now and bare with me;

    Creator has created us .
    He loves us and always helps us on our path .
    He does not do that by force, he`s offering help by motivation of love towards his creation.

    When he speaks to his children he speaks that his children can understand on every level.

    Emissary of the Dragon here, or the Dragon himself are constantly quoting Jesus Christ. They go further and even claim that actually Jesus was and is a higher "Dragon", and that Lucifer is his friend .

    Further when they explain their stuff here it is extremely confusing and occasionally non aligning with itself.
    You find your self reading Abraxinas post and at the end or in the middle of exhausting post you find a small sentence which null files text above,nevertheless he continues further.

    I ask you did Jesus Christ spoke like that?
    Did he hide truth from his disciples and whom ever wanted with honest heart?
    Did he aimed to amaze people with hard -to-know phrases and words?


    Pharisee`s did that.
    Scribes did that.

    How did he named them?

    Den of VIPERS.


    No matter how hard you try Dragon apprentice, you can`t hide the fact that you lie with cold blood.

    You write rants here ,elaborate with confusing data, and bluntly overturn clear words from Bible.
    No wonder why sooo many people today don`t trust Bible any more. It is because of your kind, twisters of God`s own word, deceivers of worst kind, trappers of souls.

    Nevertheless word of God will judge you;

    Revelation 22

    18.I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19.And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this

    ellie wrote:
    Your a courageous, wonderful, good soul Beren. You stand up for what you know is right and are trying to show the light to the good people here.

    I must admit I get very darn confused with Abrax answers especially when he quotes Jesus and the bible in his answers and then throws lucifer in for good measure, that makes my head spin, knowing what I know of the good book, Jesus, lucifer and so on.

    When Abrax said that Jesus was a master templar that spun me out, if anything I thought he would have maybe been part of the Essene group.

    Someone wrote on this thread that Abrax does play to people's ego who support him and I have read and know this is true.

    Your spirit which is not encumbered by 3D has the answers to all knowledge so I suggest you go within and seek answers to this information given there.

    Anchor wrote:
    Actually he had to, he often had to speak in parables because the core truth was too much for the average man in his audience. To some extent it was necessary to de-tune the message for wider coverage.

    I agree that it is better to speak truth with clarity so far as it is possible.

    Many times this means not speaking at all. However, on this forum, there are topic titles that can allow people to ignore that which they dont want to read - and it is for this reason I keep asking people to let it be.

    I think abraxasinas has demonstrated accuracy with the bible and I dont see where words are being twisted. I myself tend to restrict myself to the reported "sayings" of Jesus since they appear to me to be the least distorted parts of the bible. Since many of them are wrapped in parable, they were probably deemed by the editors to be so open to debate and inpenetrable, they did not require distortion to support any elitist agenda.

    [with no particular focus on you Beren...]

    Once again I see many here falling into the same old trap of judging the messenger and not the message.

    It also seems as if inpenetrable data seriously offends a few egos - I say tough! Deal with it. Have you considered this is one of the distortions we all need help working through? Data is data.

    Two sides of the polarised arguement against this thread - on the one hand there is no such thing as Dragons so Abraxasinas is clearly off his trolley - on the otherhand Dragons are very real and us poor humans need protection by the gallant knights in shining armour and experienced dragon slayers. Which is more preposterous? To me neither. Data is data.

    What is not preposterous is that questions and answers to those questions yeild pure DATA. Data can be left or worked with - your/our choice.

    Context can manipulate that data - but the assembled masses here are not vulnerable chooks that need protection. We are more on our guard against any potential contextual manipulation and trickery; not that I myself have discerned any yet from the OP and subsequent posts - all I have discerened with every fibre of my own intuition is a desire to deliver information/data in the context of the questions asked.

    This Dragon (personae) - is providing answers - so far - in what looks like good faith. On that note, Abraxasinas, I have a few more questions of my own for you :

    1) to what extent do dragons have a bearing on the functioning of the elite/dark forces currently attempting to control the evolution of human kind on this planet?

    2) are there good dragons and bad dragons (where good and bad have the meaning of service to the interests of humanity or service to self, not in the interests of humanity).

    3) please re-state the exact relationship between what you call dragon and what you call human.

    4) dragon iconography crops up a lot. In the recent video by Bill Ryan one is struck by the number of dragon images in the opening sequence of shots around London, England. Additionally I recently have cosidered that there are the Eastern (I'm thinking about chinese) Dragons who are associated with the power elite - emporers etc - in a more mystical way, and Western Dragons who live in caves and get slaughtered by "heros". Can you elaborate more on the role of the dragon iconography through the human ages? When did it start and why?

    A..


    Anchor wrote:
    Ellie,

    people manipulated in this manner only have themselves to blame. The path is long for them, but all will end well.

    Ego is not anyones problem but the person in whom that ego manifests.

    You play with fire you get burned, unless that is, you know how to play with fire. [1]

    A..

    [1] Mental image of GregorArturo firedancing springs to mind


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    ---------note from poster---------

    to not put too much of this here....it is my hope that most first time readers have by now gotten the general idea of what was going on....i posted this...and might post more....since Tony also replayed to some and i wish to show the behind the scenes for better understanding...since i generally just transfer his posts over...

    ----------end of note--------------

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    Post 1239

    Post  Guest on Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:50 am

    GaiaLove wrote:
    abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?


    gscraig wrote:
    All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

    Why?

    Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions?

    This is answered rather simply by stating that MOST of the answers which are given to the questions asked are, at least in context, already answered by the material found on the linked website.
    So noone NEEDS to ask any questions at all if one searches for the Thuban information in a more colloquial say 'earthbound' context.
    But the present situation in the universe, albeit focused on Gaia, represents an unprecedented occurrence in the cosmic evolvement and part of this unfoldment requires extraordinary solutions to solve extraordinary 'problems'.

    In essence; and that is why the 'fulfilment of scripture' is often accented; this unfoldment retraces the entire cosmology to its primordial beginning in archetypes.

    So to UNDERSTAND the END of say a Cycle regarding the evolvement of a galactic civilization; one must discern the BEGINNING of this Cycle.

    This is necessity, because when the universe became archetyped, its symbology required to define the End of the Universe before it could define its own Beginning.

    gscraig wrote:
    By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

    The Thuban Council does not set any stage for anyone. The Thuban Council is exactly what it claims to be - the emissary or messenger from the Logos, the Universal Logos of the Christian scriptures.
    The Thuban Council functions under the auspices of the 24 Elders, archetyped in the Book of Revelation.
    Noone is required to accept or believe this in any form or manner.
    The 24 Elders are the Thuban Dragons, who receive their authority from the 4 Beasts and through them from Prime Source or God.


    gscraig wrote:
    If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence .

    All of these messages from Thuban are rather more poignant than messages. The data shared and freely given is generally NOT directed towards the 'ordinary' waking consciousness of the reader (~86%), but to the superconsciousness of the reader (~0.3%).

    On the superconscious level you Richard and sweet Celine and Beren and Gscraig and Elli and Viking and Lionhawk and Steve X and Stardustaquarion and all other 'detractors' truly cherish and value this information as their own (and it is, because before space and time, all of you, including the beneficers came to a collective agreement to become EXPOSED to this data stream in just such a 'strange' manner).
    In a sense all of you have coauthored the Thuban Archives in a Unity of archetypes, which will trigger your remembrances once exposed to them in a scenario of self-forgetfulness.

    It was also agreed to that a necessary OPPOSITION, mainly triggered by the collective subconscious (~14%) will then become an agency - actually you all are SECRET AGENTS from Thuban - to allow anyone confronted by the Thuban data to SELFPROCESS this 'forgetfulness' through the vehicle of feeling indignation and vehemently opposed to it.

    Many of you 'hate' and 'ridicule' this data stream BECAUSE it WAS EMPOWERED by yourselves before incarnation and before any of you experienced embodiments in any of the 10 dimensions of material manifestation.

    So there is a PURGING going on, a SELFPURGING of the multitude of astral thoughtforms, by yourselves through your superconsciousness, which many of you perceive as hostile ETs.

    When you think you are intuiting and thinking your own thoughts, then more often than not, these thoughts are induced NOT BY PTB agendas (which are just synthetic mindcontrol substitutes for a much more potent natural phenomenon), BUT by the astral sentiences, including what you term the 'dead ones'.

    Thanks to one of you, I have found a vehicle to greatly expand on this 4D-5D spacetime interaction.
    This is the reason as to why I have decided to comment on a related thread by Jonah on the Spirituality thread (thank you Anchor for resurrecting this thread): "What is Jesus?".
    I shall post on this thread and as certain data there is HIGHLY RELEVANT to this thread; certain excerpts of my expositions shall be reproduced here in their appropriate contexts.

    But generally, it will be a function of your subconscious processing and NOT your waking conscious understanding of these messages, which will determine your level of remembrance. On the superconscious level WE are as One and Unified in Thuban Dragonhood.

    Again, Dragonhood MEANS the manifestation of a Fourth Merkabah-Brain, supplementing the Reptilian brainstem of the First Level and the Mammalian midbrain of the Second Level and the Human Cortex of the Third Level.
    This then brings the LINEAR evolution of the old human merkabah to an end and RECIRCULARISES your reptilian brainstem with your starhuman perceptions, accessing your 'obscured' superconsciousness.

    This then is the TRU meaning of the Ouroboros, the Milky Way abd the Zodiac in the Serpent who swallows its own tail.
    All of you are Ouroboros and all of you are Serpent-Tamers under the 13th starsign of Ophiuchus transforming the Scorpio of John into the Eagle of John.

    AA

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    Post 1241

    Post  Guest on Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:53 am

    hippihillbobbi wrote:
    Hi everyone --

    I'd like to thank Anchor and MyPlanet2 for their wise words and harmonizing vibrations. Discussing multiple facets of an issue should always be a vital ingredient in our authentic spiritual growth, as long as it's done with mutual respect ..... with care to honor one another's divine essence. Thank you not only for reminding us of this truth but also for so beautifully modelling it for us.

    Abraxas

    A few more questions from me:

    1) i think i may have asked something along these lines earlier in the thread, so forgive me if i just haven't quite gotten it yet. What i'd like to ask about is the necessity of acquiring esoteric (often "secret") knowledge, as well as embracing what some may call "new-age" or "occult" spiritual practices (lucid dreaming, astral travel, chakra-cleansing, etc.) to the prospect of a successful "ascension" to 4th/5th dimension. IOW, what if you've never read any "esoteric" texts outside mainstream theology (of any stripe), or ever consciously attempted any of the above-mentioned types of spiritual exercises ....... but you DO try to love God, yourself, your neighbor (including your enemy) and your planet as well as you can ....... and you DO maintain an active "relationship" with what you perceive as God, the Source, the Creator of all that is, trusting innately in Her/His intimate love for yourself and each particle of the universe ..... is this ENOUGH to raise the 3-d vibrational frequency of the person to enable his/her Ascension?

    Dear hippihill!

    Consider your own body and your life. There you are, walking around doing the cooking or the shopping or the socialising.
    In certain moment you ponder what is my life, how does this work and why am I so vulnerable in this body, requiring air to breathe and blood to flow with a beating heart.

    Curious, you might study medicine or biochemistry and you can learn more and more how things interact, molecular chemistry, organic chemistry, solid state physics and anatomical taxonomy.

    You learn all these things, yet you function quite well without knowing the details. You so can reduce your complexity of understanding how things work to the simplicity of just being you, alive and under the 'control' of a sort of automatic pilot.

    This automatic pilot becomes your 'trust in God', can you see? And this was ok for a while in the great cycles of the universe and when the evolution of many systems approached what is called a nexus point or say a 'punctuated equilibrium' (Stephen Jay Gould).

    But at this nexus point things and relative to the 'automatic pilot' CAN indeed change and the entire system of complex organisation can become RESET.
    This is what is happening now and the 'automatic pilot' or the 'trust in God' or 'Trust in Nature's Laws' has become subject to redefinition.

    This is why many New Age sources proclaim, that the 'ascension' is general and all will participate; though some will find the transitions difficult to process on various levels.

    hippihillbobbi wrote:
    2) I'm curious about "saintly" people who have died in the modern era, e.g., Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Padre Pio, etc. Have they "ascended" yet, or are they waiting for the general Harvest in 2012, or what?

    Most of the 'dead ones' are in the astral (6D), continuing their evolutions on the mental planes, before in some manner reincarnating into physicality.

    {Reincarnation is a Cosmic Law and not Individual in linearity, meaning that once dead you can 'come back' in multiple versions of yourself in that linearity}.

    Some of the 'dead ones', the ones who have been more able to process their MENTAL evolution COUPLED to physical embodiment could penetrate further into the etheric (9D).

    NOONE, except Jesus of Nazareth has 'ascended' beyond the 9th dimension. Jesus was in the 10th dimension for 1976 years and is now both 'ascended' as the 11th MirrorD and has descended into the 5th MirrorD.
    The Mirror Dimensions are 5D, 8D and 11D and physically manifested in 2D.

    hippihillbobbi wrote:
    3) In several places on this thread you have stated that we each must "eat Jesus," and the last time you referred to this you even said "eat Jesus physically" (or something like that). I doubt you were saying that we should all participate in a Eucharistic liturgy, as do Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans who believe Jesus to be TRULY PRESENT in the bread and wine. So -- could you describe (again, i guess!) exactly how we are to "eat Jesus physically?"

    Thank you as always, Abraxas.

    hippihill

    The Christian churches have served a very important part in their REMEMBRANCE of Jesus in the ritual of the Eucharist.
    They have got the archetype 'right' but have failed generally to discern what their rituals mean.

    The Eucharist of the 'eating' of Jesus is to BECOME infused by the resurrected waveform of Jesus. It is a form of POSSESSION; but more from the Heart as a NEW CORE COSMIC IDENTITY of and for yourself.

    Think of a peach being your body - but without a core.
    Not having a core, of course the peach would not exist as it could not grow from its seed.
    But this is the INCOMPLETE creation (encoded in the Pauline letters) of your disease prone body.
    You are born and develop a strong and healthy young body. You are full of vitality and life, but have little experience and wisdom.
    Then from say the mid-twenties you are starting to age and lose your earlier vitality, but you gain in wisdom and life experience.
    When you are old and brittle, your body begins to fall apart and all of your wisdom and life experience sems to disappear in your physical death.

    To change this UNFAIR state of affairs: WHY can't a Wise Old Mind Experienced Person not have a Young Vibrant Body to live in? -something in the INCOMPLETE Creation needs to become COMPLETED.

    This then becomes the 'eating of Jesus' to partake in his resurrection. Heshe MUST become the SEED as the core in your body as the kernel of the peach.
    Remember he said: "I am the Resurrection and the Life. NOONE can come to the Father, but by me."

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    Post 1242

    Post  Guest on Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:56 am

    beren wrote:
    People you all have a brain inside your skull.
    Use it.

    Think logically for a second now, everything surrounding us has a reason why it exist,move,dance,breathe,live.

    There are forces unseen and laws unseen but mathematically present and very alive,people know that.

    So use logic now and bare with me;

    Creator has created us .
    He loves us and always helps us on our path .
    He does not do that by force, he`s offering help by motivation of love towards his creation.

    When he speaks to his children he speaks that his children can understand on every level.

    Emissary of the Dragon here, or the Dragon himself are constantly quoting Jesus Christ. They go further and even claim that actually Jesus was and is a higher "Dragon", and that Lucifer is his friend .

    Further when they explain their stuff here it is extremely confusing and occasionally non aligning with itself.
    You find your self reading Abraxinas post and at the end or in the middle of exhausting post you find a small sentence which null files text above,nevertheless he continues further.

    I ask you did Jesus Christ spoke like that?
    Did he hide truth from his disciples and whom ever wanted with honest heart?
    Did he aimed to amaze people with hard -to-know phrases and words?


    Pharisee`s did that.
    Scribes did that.

    How did he named them?

    Den of VIPERS.


    No matter how hard you try Dragon apprentice, you can`t hide the fact that you lie with cold blood.

    You write rants here ,elaborate with confusing data, and bluntly overturn clear words from Bible.
    No wonder why sooo many people today don`t trust Bible any more. It is because of your kind, twisters of God`s own word, deceivers of worst kind, trappers of souls.

    Nevertheless word of God will judge you;

    Revelation 22

    18.I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19.And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this

    Abraxasinas comments on the scriptural encodings; most of which are often mistranslated and misinterpreted by well meaning, often honourable, scripture-students/readers like Beren, albeit mentally confused in their comprehension of the compositions often corrupted by and through dogmatic traditions.

    The red higlighted scripture clearly PROVES, by Jesus' own words; that Jesus himself IS the MORNING STAR aka the EVENING STAR aka LUCIFER aka VENUS aka APHRODITE, Goddess of Love.

    This scripture also proves that all of you are required to BE GIVEN this 'Morning Star' by Jesus himherself to partake in the 1st order of the '2nd Coming' (all will participate in following orders of course).

    The 'Lucifer' in Isaiah.14.12 is a general archetype for the manifesto for the 'kings' of Babylon, Tyre etc. and links to the prior order archetype of the 'fallen cherubim' in Ezekiel.28.14-19.

    It is precisely because this LUCIFER is a metaphysical archetype THAT JESUS MANIFESTS a REAL LUCIFER as a TRUE Bringer of the Light shining in the spiritual archetyped darkness.


    Isaiah.14.12:
    12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    Ezekiel.28:

    14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
    15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
    16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
    17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
    18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


    2Peter1:
    18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

    19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
    20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    Revelation 2:
    26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

    27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
    28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
    17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
    18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

    Revelation.22.19 is given as a 'warning' as to the consequences of EDITING the 'Book of Revelation'.
    A clear distinction is made as to to ADDING something and to TAKING AWAY of something.

    Understanding the true meaning of the eucharist so engages the ABSORPTION of all prophecy within oneself.
    So to ADD to this prophecy in extrapolation and superposition will result in ABSORBING all of the plagues and tribulations of the 'Armageddon' prophecied.

    This then allows the 'True Followers' of Jesus, the ones heshe calls in the Book of Revelation, to AVOID and PREVENT the prophecies to become EXTERNAL CALMITIES.

    The physical disasters are processed WITHIN the bodies of the WITNESSES (of Revelation.11 and Zechariah.4) and so prophecy is fulfilled without physicalisation of the catastrophies.

    Corollarily, the TAKING AWAY of the words in the Book of Revelation will 'jeopardise' the 1st order participation of the student/reader in the '2nd Coming'.

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    Post  Guest on Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:58 am

    5thElement wrote:
    Hello Abraxas,

    I briefly visited your website as well as watching this ever-growing thread - you are one busy guy!

    I have one question that I am hoping you can shed some light on....

    All of my life I have shied away from any religion or spirituality that has a foundation that you must "do, believe, act, look like, be born into, etc" in any specific fashion in order to be "saved, redeemed, spared, evolve, ad nauseam".

    This includes having to "know or understand" secret, sacred or complex knowledge that is only available to the "followers". You do state that the knowledge you are attempting to impart with this thread is truly available to all but that we may not be currently able to understand it. However, you also state that only a very few will be able to utilize it to "ascend" to a better place/space ( reminds me of a rapture type statement). Once again - how is that possible if we are all ONE? How is it fair if a majority of the beings we share this world with do not even have the ability to see this information? ( I am not just directing this towards you - it is my "own problem" with this type of material) Most of the information is not translated, it would have no frame of reference for someone not familiar with Judeo-Christian teachings, people who experience developmental disabilities, illiteracy, who are blind, under educated etc. so how can it be the only way? I just do not believe that any "way" that limits it's audiences ability to truly participate and/or promises it's audience that they are (or could be) the only ones, thus creating seperation from their fellow beings - is NOT the WAY.

    Ok - so there were a few questions there
    El


    Dear 5th Element!

    My reply to hippihill answers much of your query in a very easy to understand manner.
    Now the core of your question is related to the ONENESS relating to the 'mechanics' of the ascension or such labeling.

    There is NO RESTRICTION to any sentience and consciousness in the universe; however to understand this ONENESS you speak of, is not an easy manner to grasp in the words and linguistics utilized by the individual considering himherself as separated from this Oneness.

    Yes, it is a trouble of language and of words.

    So allow me to give you a metaphor, akin the peach of hippihillbobbi.

    There you are just having stumbled and hit your toe on a rock.

    In technical details, a local disturbance in the equilibria of your circulatory autonomous bodysystems activates.
    Nerve messages are sent to your brain to inform other systems to 'repair the damage' to blood vessels in your traumatized toe.

    Cellular mitosis replaces damages tissues undr microbiological interaction and communication systems engaging endocrine glands (chakras) and neuronal and blood circulation conduits.
    Then further zooming in, will display molecular transformations and then the waveform interactions of subatomic criteria.

    So how much complexity of finestructure can you handle with your educational data base?!
    You can study at some academic institution for 5 years to become familiar with the semantics and terminology to say explain and model the biochemistry of the molecular level of a traumatized toe.

    But there you are and your body hurts ALL OVER, because of the trauma experienced by your toe.

    So you experience as a ONENESS as a UNITY, despite the trauma being localized in your toe.

    So in other words; as WE all are ONE on some very deep and basically unfathomable plane; if ANYONE is able to 'ascend' THEN by definition ALL have ascended with that One.

    Now you KNOW who the ONE who has ascended is.
    Because HESHE has ascended in the ONENESS, YOU also have already ascended with that one.
    You just aren't AWARE of this yet - and the VEIL=EVIL of the 4D-5D spacetime mirror is the cause of this.

    (51)
    His disciples said to him: When will the resurrection of the dead take place, and when will the new world come?"
    He said to them: "That resurrection which you are awaiting has already come, but you do not recognize it."

    AA


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